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	<title>Comments on: Richard Roberts Takes a &quot;Leave of Absence&quot; from Oral Roberts University</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Smithee</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3477</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let me throw a log onto the fire. Isn&#039;t INTEGRITY the greater issue on trial here more than PERCEPTION?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sure, you can spin the weave that it&#039;s how the public and media world &quot;perceive&quot; your rights and wrongs. We live in a PR world. Being honest early is crucial. And that how your ministry fares impacts every Christian group. Okay. That argument is understood. But if you hold fast to integrity first, make it the bedrock of your existence and run a ministry clinging to it, then this &quot;if it&#039;s smoke, it must be fire&quot; routine that ORU is enduring will rarely crop up. Don&#039;t feed the machine with excessive perks, salaries, jets, assts, decorating, etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Decades ago the Billy Graham team created what became known as the Modesto Manifesto after a crusade in said California town. They determined that they would take reasonable salaries, would not be caught in situations with the opposite sex (alone, at lunch, in an office, etc), they wouldn&#039;t pump up their accomplishments, and they&#039;d let professionals write the checks and bank the offerings. They also hired an independent board to oversee the ministry.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not perfect, who is? But worked pretty good for them for almost 60 years. Very few fires to put out. Is there a lesson to be learned here?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me throw a log onto the fire. Isn&#39;t INTEGRITY the greater issue on trial here more than PERCEPTION?</p>
<p>Sure, you can spin the weave that it&#39;s how the public and media world &quot;perceive&quot; your rights and wrongs. We live in a PR world. Being honest early is crucial. And that how your ministry fares impacts every Christian group. Okay. That argument is understood. But if you hold fast to integrity first, make it the bedrock of your existence and run a ministry clinging to it, then this &quot;if it&#39;s smoke, it must be fire&quot; routine that ORU is enduring will rarely crop up. Don&#39;t feed the machine with excessive perks, salaries, jets, assts, decorating, etc.</p>
<p>Decades ago the Billy Graham team created what became known as the Modesto Manifesto after a crusade in said California town. They determined that they would take reasonable salaries, would not be caught in situations with the opposite sex (alone, at lunch, in an office, etc), they wouldn&#39;t pump up their accomplishments, and they&#39;d let professionals write the checks and bank the offerings. They also hired an independent board to oversee the ministry.</p>
<p>Not perfect, who is? But worked pretty good for them for almost 60 years. Very few fires to put out. Is there a lesson to be learned here?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Sinks</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3478</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Sinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current ORU students are on Fall Break this week.  So it looks like Richard and the board of regents are trying to bring stability to ORU before they return.  Billy Joe Daugherty (pastor of Tulsa Victory Christian Center) has been named president for the interum.  Richardson, the suits lawyer, was gloading (actually with a big smile on his face) all over the news tonight saying: &quot;Billy Joe is the better man for the job&quot; plus &quot;We don&#039;t have to prove a single allegation.&quot;  Instead of keeping his mouth shut, I&#039;d say Richardson might have just shot himself in the foot with the public&#039;s perception. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current ORU students are on Fall Break this week.  So it looks like Richard and the board of regents are trying to bring stability to ORU before they return.  Billy Joe Daugherty (pastor of Tulsa Victory Christian Center) has been named president for the interum.  Richardson, the suits lawyer, was gloading (actually with a big smile on his face) all over the news tonight saying: &quot;Billy Joe is the better man for the job&quot; plus &quot;We don&#39;t have to prove a single allegation.&quot;  Instead of keeping his mouth shut, I&#39;d say Richardson might have just shot himself in the foot with the public&#39;s perception. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Gaspard</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3479</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Gaspard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned so many things during my tenure at OREA/ORU.  I learned how to have faith for healing and financial miracles.  But I can remember seeing things there that I didn&#039;t quite agree with, and I really believe God spoke to me in that situation.  He said that He would never hold me accountable for what Richard or Lindsey did, but that He would hold me accountable for my reactions to what they did.  I have put this into practice since then, and it has really set me free to be who I am, and not so dependent on whatever ministry leader I&#039;m working under.  It is unfortunate what has happened there, and although I am not an alum (my wife is, 1998), because the university is and will hold a special place in my heart.  I just pray that the truth comes out, and that God&#039;s healing can begin, but that often starts with the painful process of exposing the wounds and the sin.  I don;t want to be &quot;on a soapbox,&quot; but please, all of us, pray for ORU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned so many things during my tenure at OREA/ORU.  I learned how to have faith for healing and financial miracles.  But I can remember seeing things there that I didn&#39;t quite agree with, and I really believe God spoke to me in that situation.  He said that He would never hold me accountable for what Richard or Lindsey did, but that He would hold me accountable for my reactions to what they did.  I have put this into practice since then, and it has really set me free to be who I am, and not so dependent on whatever ministry leader I&#39;m working under.  It is unfortunate what has happened there, and although I am not an alum (my wife is, 1998), because the university is and will hold a special place in my heart.  I just pray that the truth comes out, and that God&#39;s healing can begin, but that often starts with the painful process of exposing the wounds and the sin.  I don;t want to be &quot;on a soapbox,&quot; but please, all of us, pray for ORU.</p>
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		<title>By: island girl</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3480</link>
		<dc:creator>island girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read a few of the articles.  A few things stand out:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1) They are so out of touch with reality that they do not even realize how spoiled they have become.  Reminds me of when I worked at  megaministry back in the 80s.  The &quot;big cheese&quot; was speaking to the staff--some 800 or so of us.  To illustrate a point, he showed a ring that he was wearing that had tongues wagging.  &quot;The truth is,&quot; he said with great thunder, &quot;...this is nothing but a $700 CZ.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Behind me, one of the camera men said to another &quot;Wow, that is more than my car cost.&quot;  CLUELESS!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) The deal with Lindsay and the under age boy is clearly a big nothing.  But when you have people pissed off because of the issue in (1), they grab onto this and run with it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lord help us...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a few of the articles.  A few things stand out:</p>
<p>1) They are so out of touch with reality that they do not even realize how spoiled they have become.  Reminds me of when I worked at  megaministry back in the 80s.  The &quot;big cheese&quot; was speaking to the staff&#8211;some 800 or so of us.  To illustrate a point, he showed a ring that he was wearing that had tongues wagging.  &quot;The truth is,&quot; he said with great thunder, &quot;&#8230;this is nothing but a $700 CZ.&quot; </p>
<p> Behind me, one of the camera men said to another &quot;Wow, that is more than my car cost.&quot;  CLUELESS!!!</p>
<p>2) The deal with Lindsay and the under age boy is clearly a big nothing.  But when you have people pissed off because of the issue in (1), they grab onto this and run with it.</p>
<p>Lord help us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: freethinker</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3481</link>
		<dc:creator>freethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I must agree with Smithee, the first comment... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with Smithee, the first comment&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: boonies</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3482</link>
		<dc:creator>boonies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i just want you to keep one name in mind....mike nifong. Remember the DA in the Duke lacrosse case? Sexsational allegations, race, class, money , envy, enough sleaze to keep the schedule at FOX Network running full blast  through the summer replacement  season. ONE little problem...the NC A/G, Roy Cooper , seeing the approaching train wreck and the need for adult supervision, stepped in and declared the three boys Innocent of ANY wrongdoing , based on evidence and the Lack thereof. Mind you, they were already  given a fair trial and a good hanging in  the 4th Circuit Court of Public Opinion, being white and all....Point being, lets give these people a chance to declare their case in a court where they are UNDER OATH, unlike on Larry King and your papers&#039; front page.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I ,personally, suspect the money allegations are likely true to some degree, but that is my own fallible suspicion. Lets not rush to a judgment we would not want inflicted on ourselves without the benefit of a court of law. fair Enough? &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just want you to keep one name in mind&#8230;.mike nifong. Remember the DA in the Duke lacrosse case? Sexsational allegations, race, class, money , envy, enough sleaze to keep the schedule at FOX Network running full blast  through the summer replacement  season. ONE little problem&#8230;the NC A/G, Roy Cooper , seeing the approaching train wreck and the need for adult supervision, stepped in and declared the three boys Innocent of ANY wrongdoing , based on evidence and the Lack thereof. Mind you, they were already  given a fair trial and a good hanging in  the 4th Circuit Court of Public Opinion, being white and all&#8230;.Point being, lets give these people a chance to declare their case in a court where they are UNDER OATH, unlike on Larry King and your papers&#39; front page.</p>
<p>I ,personally, suspect the money allegations are likely true to some degree, but that is my own fallible suspicion. Lets not rush to a judgment we would not want inflicted on ourselves without the benefit of a court of law. fair Enough? </p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3483</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, this blog isn&#039;t about the guilt or innocence so much (as you say, the courts will decide that) - we&#039;re more interested in it&#039;s implications in the context of the media.  In a media driven culture, how should we as followers of Jesus live our lives, respond to allegations like this, create an environment where this doesn&#039;t happen, or respond to criticism generally?  All important questions that have changed dramatically in the last 30 years as we&#039;ve found ourselves in a media oriented world.  When perception becomes as important as reality in the culture, how does that impact our strategy for reaching the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, this blog isn&#39;t about the guilt or innocence so much (as you say, the courts will decide that) &#8211; we&#39;re more interested in it&#39;s implications in the context of the media.  In a media driven culture, how should we as followers of Jesus live our lives, respond to allegations like this, create an environment where this doesn&#39;t happen, or respond to criticism generally?  All important questions that have changed dramatically in the last 30 years as we&#39;ve found ourselves in a media oriented world.  When perception becomes as important as reality in the culture, how does that impact our strategy for reaching the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Implications</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/richard_roberts_leaves/#comment-3484</link>
		<dc:creator>Implications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The funny thing that I find with discussing the implications in the context of the media, is that here on the East Coast, most people don&#039;t know who Richard Roberts is, or that there is even a scandal.  Really.  No local coverage at all in a very &quot;churched&quot; city I live in.  Actually, the only real source of info seems to be right from the Tulsa World (online for me), with a few large national news companies picking up bits of it.  Larry King was the only real &quot;aired&quot; information found around here that I have seen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regarding the Larry King thing, RR actually seemed to show some wisdom by going to a media outlet that was live.  He knows that putting words in your mouth and setting someone up is very hard to do with live programming.  He also knows that LK does not produce mud-slinging campaigns.  What he didn&#039;t seem to realize was that his own words might just hurt just as much.  LK does have a way to let you snare yourself by giving you so much rope!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How the media really plays, is that the empire was built thanks in part to the reach of television.  The spotlight has now shifted from a controlled studio to a personal life.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; I don&#039;t have a vendetta against the Robert&#039;s, but I was there years ago as a student, and as an employee working in the security department / motorpool.  I did see things that were slightly questionable to me, and I learned very quickly that if I expected to keep my job (which I desperately needed), then I wouldn&#039;t question things.  Matter of fact, NOONE felt comfortable questioning ANYTHING.  Learning the ropes, I was told quite early on (through a wisper and wink by a high ranking security employee) that things I saw were not to be questioned if I knew what he meant.  I won&#039;t say that I saw major scandalous things.  What I saw did open my eyes, and I did realize that people who questioned were people who would end up resigning or being let go.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That said, I certainly hope that the school can emerge from this.  Unfortunately, that is going to be very difficult with the direction of current leadership and their &quot;rubber-stamp&quot; decision making.  Hopefully leadership will change, so that the school can have a chance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As I stated, where I am, the media has ignored it as non-news.  Oh - Heritage USA is (err &#039;was&#039;) a stones-throw from here, maybe that is part of it. 8o)  But I think that for the most part, this is the sentiment.  I have been surprised that the Tulsa World hasn&#039;t done any real &quot;investigative&quot; reporting.  They have pretty much stuck to the facts.  I haven&#039;t seen much from them as far as opinion columns either.  So overall, I don&#039;t think that the media has been too unfair.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The unfair opinions have really seemed to show themselves in forums.  This one, not so much, maybe you are just doing a great job with your moderating!  But the unfair opinions that I have read have been on both sides.  There is obviously a balanced view as well, but I think that as far as the church is concerned, the balance needs to be found on the history we have in the Bible.  David was very wealthy for instance, and he did fall but not merely because he was wealthy.  To people that categorize sin, that is how you justify your own.  David&#039;s weakness was another man&#039;s wife.  Love of money and power may be the weakness of RR.  Jealousy or pride may be the sin of the judgemental.  But back to David, he DID repent, he DID pay a dear price, but the full judgement of God was withheld because of his repentence.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I can only hope that true repentence births in each of us with regards to our own failures.  For Richard, I hope he CAN see the truth and repent for the way he maintained power (fear and firing).  I hope he can repent if the love of money caused his stumble.  However, there will still likely be some heavy cost as with David.  I hope that the University is not altogether lost, for the value that it provides to students of the Word.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing that I find with discussing the implications in the context of the media, is that here on the East Coast, most people don&#39;t know who Richard Roberts is, or that there is even a scandal.  Really.  No local coverage at all in a very &quot;churched&quot; city I live in.  Actually, the only real source of info seems to be right from the Tulsa World (online for me), with a few large national news companies picking up bits of it.  Larry King was the only real &quot;aired&quot; information found around here that I have seen.</p>
<p>Regarding the Larry King thing, RR actually seemed to show some wisdom by going to a media outlet that was live.  He knows that putting words in your mouth and setting someone up is very hard to do with live programming.  He also knows that LK does not produce mud-slinging campaigns.  What he didn&#39;t seem to realize was that his own words might just hurt just as much.  LK does have a way to let you snare yourself by giving you so much rope!</p>
<p>How the media really plays, is that the empire was built thanks in part to the reach of television.  The spotlight has now shifted from a controlled studio to a personal life.  </p>
<p> I don&#39;t have a vendetta against the Robert&#39;s, but I was there years ago as a student, and as an employee working in the security department / motorpool.  I did see things that were slightly questionable to me, and I learned very quickly that if I expected to keep my job (which I desperately needed), then I wouldn&#39;t question things.  Matter of fact, NOONE felt comfortable questioning ANYTHING.  Learning the ropes, I was told quite early on (through a wisper and wink by a high ranking security employee) that things I saw were not to be questioned if I knew what he meant.  I won&#39;t say that I saw major scandalous things.  What I saw did open my eyes, and I did realize that people who questioned were people who would end up resigning or being let go.</p>
<p>That said, I certainly hope that the school can emerge from this.  Unfortunately, that is going to be very difficult with the direction of current leadership and their &quot;rubber-stamp&quot; decision making.  Hopefully leadership will change, so that the school can have a chance.</p>
<p>As I stated, where I am, the media has ignored it as non-news.  Oh &#8211; Heritage USA is (err &#39;was&#39;) a stones-throw from here, maybe that is part of it. 8o)  But I think that for the most part, this is the sentiment.  I have been surprised that the Tulsa World hasn&#39;t done any real &quot;investigative&quot; reporting.  They have pretty much stuck to the facts.  I haven&#39;t seen much from them as far as opinion columns either.  So overall, I don&#39;t think that the media has been too unfair.  </p>
<p>The unfair opinions have really seemed to show themselves in forums.  This one, not so much, maybe you are just doing a great job with your moderating!  But the unfair opinions that I have read have been on both sides.  There is obviously a balanced view as well, but I think that as far as the church is concerned, the balance needs to be found on the history we have in the Bible.  David was very wealthy for instance, and he did fall but not merely because he was wealthy.  To people that categorize sin, that is how you justify your own.  David&#39;s weakness was another man&#39;s wife.  Love of money and power may be the weakness of RR.  Jealousy or pride may be the sin of the judgemental.  But back to David, he DID repent, he DID pay a dear price, but the full judgement of God was withheld because of his repentence.  </p>
<p>I can only hope that true repentence births in each of us with regards to our own failures.  For Richard, I hope he CAN see the truth and repent for the way he maintained power (fear and firing).  I hope he can repent if the love of money caused his stumble.  However, there will still likely be some heavy cost as with David.  I hope that the University is not altogether lost, for the value that it provides to students of the Word.</p>
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		<title>By: Tovah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tovah</dc:creator>
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		<description>The response on Larry King was a public relations nightmare. The decision to step down came way too late. Looking hurt and sounding sad wasn&#039;t the way to go. If a line of demarcation had been drawn by Richard between personal attacks and attacks against the university, both would have come out looking more credible. As it stands, he looks scared and weak which leads to a perception of guilt--whether or not he is. All very unfortunate. But messy enough to keep the rumor mill rolling and the news/gossip hawks going.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The response on Larry King was a public relations nightmare. The decision to step down came way too late. Looking hurt and sounding sad wasn&#39;t the way to go. If a line of demarcation had been drawn by Richard between personal attacks and attacks against the university, both would have come out looking more credible. As it stands, he looks scared and weak which leads to a perception of guilt&#8211;whether or not he is. All very unfortunate. But messy enough to keep the rumor mill rolling and the news/gossip hawks going.  </p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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		<description>Having worked at ORU nearly 30 years I was let go along with 42 others a couple of years ago due to the school  being tight on money. After reading about cell phone usage and horse stables and clothes, several people could have kept their jobs if the money had been spent better. To me it is not the lawsuit so much but will the BOR really clean house and start running a tight ship</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked at ORU nearly 30 years I was let go along with 42 others a couple of years ago due to the school  being tight on money. After reading about cell phone usage and horse stables and clothes, several people could have kept their jobs if the money had been spent better. To me it is not the lawsuit so much but will the BOR really clean house and start running a tight ship</p>
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