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		<title>By: breaklight</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4223</link>
		<dc:creator>breaklight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct in what you are saying about how we present &#039;prophetic predictions&#039; where the world is concerned but at the same time God never called us to follow the culture of any society because they are not rooted in truth or Him even though there may be fragments of good in every culture. That said there is always a better way of doing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct in what you are saying about how we present &#8216;prophetic predictions&#8217; where the world is concerned but at the same time God never called us to follow the culture of any society because they are not rooted in truth or Him even though there may be fragments of good in every culture. That said there is always a better way of doing things.</p>
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		<title>By: R.Zoner</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4224</link>
		<dc:creator>R.Zoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Breaklight, things can always be done with more explanation, but we are supposed to be a peculiar people-- When it comes down to it, Pat&#039;s yearly predictions are lampooned by the media a lot, but what can you do, censor the guy? Pat is Pat! It&#039;s only one small example of being out of step with culture-- the golden throne room set of TBN is a much better example. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Breaklight, things can always be done with more explanation, but we are supposed to be a peculiar people&#8211; When it comes down to it, Pat&#39;s yearly predictions are lampooned by the media a lot, but what can you do, censor the guy? Pat is Pat! It&#39;s only one small example of being out of step with culture&#8211; the golden throne room set of TBN is a much better example. </p>
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		<title>By: Bart Breen</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4225</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Pat wants to give his opinion as to what 2008 may hold he&#039;s no less qualified than any of the other talking heads.  He&#039;s a national religious and political figure and his opinions are news.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When he wraps himself in a prophetic mantle and speaks from the position of &quot;Thus Saith the Lord&quot; then he better be right or he needs to shut up.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s his responsibility to be very clear and careful as to what he is saying and how he is saying it, because people supporters and critics look to him and what he says impacts a greater sphere than just his organization.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Moreover, Christians should wake up and speak out so we don&#039;t by default allow Robertson or any one else to misrepresent the universal Church in this manner.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have measured respect for Robertson even when I disagree with him.  I can&#039;t support him financially however when he does things like this and I think other Christians should factor this type of thing into their giving decisions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Pat wants to give his opinion as to what 2008 may hold he&#39;s no less qualified than any of the other talking heads.  He&#39;s a national religious and political figure and his opinions are news.</p>
<p>When he wraps himself in a prophetic mantle and speaks from the position of &quot;Thus Saith the Lord&quot; then he better be right or he needs to shut up.</p>
<p>It&#39;s his responsibility to be very clear and careful as to what he is saying and how he is saying it, because people supporters and critics look to him and what he says impacts a greater sphere than just his organization.</p>
<p>Moreover, Christians should wake up and speak out so we don&#39;t by default allow Robertson or any one else to misrepresent the universal Church in this manner.</p>
<p>I have measured respect for Robertson even when I disagree with him.  I can&#39;t support him financially however when he does things like this and I think other Christians should factor this type of thing into their giving decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Yoder</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4226</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Yoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &#039;Charis SIL&#039;; font-size: 16px&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;h4&gt;Ezekiel 13:&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: normal&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, &quot;The LORD declares,&quot; when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, &quot;The LORD declares,&quot; though I have not spoken?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt; &quot; &#039;Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top&quot; class=&quot;sup&quot;&gt;9&lt;/span&gt; My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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<h4>Ezekiel 13:<span style="font-weight: normal" class="Apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">3</span> This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! <span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">4</span> Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. <span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">5</span> You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD. <span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">6</span> Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, &quot;The LORD declares,&quot; when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. <span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">7</span> Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, &quot;The LORD declares,&quot; though I have not spoken?</span></h4>
<p> <span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">8</span> &quot; &#39;Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD. <span style="font-size: 0.65em; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: text-top" class="sup">9</span> My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.</p>
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		<title>By: G Man</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4227</link>
		<dc:creator>G Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thought. A while ago I had the great privilege to have dinner with John and Paula Sandford (Elijah House) a great teacher and exceptionally prophetic. We discussed what the purpose of prophecy was and one of the things he said (along with many others) was that it is to call the church to pray to avert impending disaster. He didn&#039;t believe and neither do I that God wants us to sit idly by and see doom and disaster befall humanity - after all John 3 v 16 would tend to suggest otherwise. He stated that often God will warn the &quot;prophets&quot; of impending disaster so they can warn the church and the church can intercede for the situation and see it averted. So perhaps we should not be surprised when some of these predictions do not come true - but instead rejoice that God heard and answered our prayers. I guess we&#039;ll never know if what Pat says is the result of too much Pizza or if it is God using him to warn us so we can pray and see the situation averted. I would certainly hope we take the utterances of people like Pat seriously NOT in fear BUT in Faith and pray that God steps in and that the prediction does not happen - and then rejoice when He answers our prayers.
Rather than being critical and lambasting people like Pat let’s give them the benefit of the doubt - after all we prophesy in part and we could all do with a bit of Grace from our Brothers and Sisters.
I do agree we MUST be measured in our language and the &quot;Thus Saith the Lord&quot; is not helpful - but the message may none the less be important and significant. After all if God can speak through a Donkey he can certainly speak through Pat - and me and all of us for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thought. A while ago I had the great privilege to have dinner with John and Paula Sandford (Elijah House) a great teacher and exceptionally prophetic. We discussed what the purpose of prophecy was and one of the things he said (along with many others) was that it is to call the church to pray to avert impending disaster. He didn&#8217;t believe and neither do I that God wants us to sit idly by and see doom and disaster befall humanity &#8211; after all John 3 v 16 would tend to suggest otherwise. He stated that often God will warn the &#8220;prophets&#8221; of impending disaster so they can warn the church and the church can intercede for the situation and see it averted. So perhaps we should not be surprised when some of these predictions do not come true &#8211; but instead rejoice that God heard and answered our prayers. I guess we&#8217;ll never know if what Pat says is the result of too much Pizza or if it is God using him to warn us so we can pray and see the situation averted. I would certainly hope we take the utterances of people like Pat seriously NOT in fear BUT in Faith and pray that God steps in and that the prediction does not happen &#8211; and then rejoice when He answers our prayers.<br />
Rather than being critical and lambasting people like Pat let’s give them the benefit of the doubt &#8211; after all we prophesy in part and we could all do with a bit of Grace from our Brothers and Sisters.<br />
I do agree we MUST be measured in our language and the &#8220;Thus Saith the Lord&#8221; is not helpful &#8211; but the message may none the less be important and significant. After all if God can speak through a Donkey he can certainly speak through Pat &#8211; and me and all of us for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dillon</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4228</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Dillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points Bart, but I still think G-Man has a point. Personally, I am no great fan of Pat Robertson. Indeed, some of his opinions and comments have been by turns laughable, offensive, and sometimes laughably offensive.

However, consider the case of Jonah. He went to a &quot;non-church&quot; audience and warned them Ninevah was going to be destroyed. The people of Ninevah repented so God did not destroy Ninevah after all. Did that make Jonah a false prophet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points Bart, but I still think G-Man has a point. Personally, I am no great fan of Pat Robertson. Indeed, some of his opinions and comments have been by turns laughable, offensive, and sometimes laughably offensive.</p>
<p>However, consider the case of Jonah. He went to a &#8220;non-church&#8221; audience and warned them Ninevah was going to be destroyed. The people of Ninevah repented so God did not destroy Ninevah after all. Did that make Jonah a false prophet?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Breen</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4229</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you believe the analogy follows that Pat Robertson&#039;s prophesy was God&#039;s judgment withheld because America has repented then I suppose you have a point.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The problem I see with a great deal of the pentecostal/charismatic type treatment in this day and age in terms of prophesy (and I went to ORU and I have a heritage in my family of Pentecostal preachers so I&#039;m not unfamiliar with it) is that there is no accountability to a governing body, such as elders in the Church, and no accountibility.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Could it be a legitimate word from the Lord?  Yes.  There&#039;s no level of accountibility however and it appears to me to be invoking the name of God to add weight to Robertson&#039;s own opinion and when it fails to come to pass then I expect that there is an onus upon Robertson to explain why his prophesy, for a specific event in a specific time, delivered as the Word of God failed to come to pass.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Are you aware of any response by Robertson offering an explanation or additional Word from God as to why God changed His mind?  If not, then there&#039;s a problem, isn&#039;t there?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Apart from the theological, in terms of media presence and perception, which is Robertson&#039;s venue, it is not a particularly effective means of ministery and communication in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe the analogy follows that Pat Robertson&#39;s prophesy was God&#39;s judgment withheld because America has repented then I suppose you have a point.</p>
<p>The problem I see with a great deal of the pentecostal/charismatic type treatment in this day and age in terms of prophesy (and I went to ORU and I have a heritage in my family of Pentecostal preachers so I&#39;m not unfamiliar with it) is that there is no accountability to a governing body, such as elders in the Church, and no accountibility.</p>
<p>Could it be a legitimate word from the Lord?  Yes.  There&#39;s no level of accountibility however and it appears to me to be invoking the name of God to add weight to Robertson&#39;s own opinion and when it fails to come to pass then I expect that there is an onus upon Robertson to explain why his prophesy, for a specific event in a specific time, delivered as the Word of God failed to come to pass.</p>
<p>Are you aware of any response by Robertson offering an explanation or additional Word from God as to why God changed His mind?  If not, then there&#39;s a problem, isn&#39;t there?</p>
<p>Apart from the theological, in terms of media presence and perception, which is Robertson&#39;s venue, it is not a particularly effective means of ministery and communication in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Breen</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe the Biblical Standard for prophesy is the sense of foretelling is complete accuracy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Prophesy also includes an element of &quot;forthtelling&quot; of the will of God and I understand that that is an element of preaching and gifting within the body.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The problem I see with the fine line you&#039;re attempting to draw is when Pat speaks on the 700 club or in a New Magazine on Fox, or wherever else, he is communicating to an audience that is broader than the Church,  who of whom simply look at these types of claims and conclude that Pat and the Church he is representing, are pretty much a bunch of Kooks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think persecution for the sake of Christ&#039;s name is going to happen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That doesn&#039;t mean that all persecution comes on that basis however and I&#039;m amazed at how many are willing to simply defend almost anything on that basis and lose sight of the many scriptural admonitions to wisdom and foresaking folly or foolishness.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I respect Pat overall.  He&#039;s done and continues to do a great deal of good for the name of Christ, but I think with this he is overstepping some bounds.  If he&#039;s going to give an opinion as to the danger of nuclear attack, he&#039;s certainly a voice people will listen to and whose opinion carries a great deal of weight.  When he prefaces it as &quot;Thus saith the LORD&quot; then that is something else, and when that prophetic word doesn&#039;t come to pass, that&#039;s a strong indication to me, that he needs to re-evaluate his terminology and consider the audience he is speaking to, because many aren&#039;t equip to make the distinctions you&#039;re suggesting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Biblical Standard for prophesy is the sense of foretelling is complete accuracy.</p>
<p>Prophesy also includes an element of &quot;forthtelling&quot; of the will of God and I understand that that is an element of preaching and gifting within the body.</p>
<p>The problem I see with the fine line you&#39;re attempting to draw is when Pat speaks on the 700 club or in a New Magazine on Fox, or wherever else, he is communicating to an audience that is broader than the Church,  who of whom simply look at these types of claims and conclude that Pat and the Church he is representing, are pretty much a bunch of Kooks.</p>
<p>I think persecution for the sake of Christ&#39;s name is going to happen.</p>
<p>That doesn&#39;t mean that all persecution comes on that basis however and I&#39;m amazed at how many are willing to simply defend almost anything on that basis and lose sight of the many scriptural admonitions to wisdom and foresaking folly or foolishness.</p>
<p>I respect Pat overall.  He&#39;s done and continues to do a great deal of good for the name of Christ, but I think with this he is overstepping some bounds.  If he&#39;s going to give an opinion as to the danger of nuclear attack, he&#39;s certainly a voice people will listen to and whose opinion carries a great deal of weight.  When he prefaces it as &quot;Thus saith the LORD&quot; then that is something else, and when that prophetic word doesn&#39;t come to pass, that&#39;s a strong indication to me, that he needs to re-evaluate his terminology and consider the audience he is speaking to, because many aren&#39;t equip to make the distinctions you&#39;re suggesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred W. Poston</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4231</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred W. Poston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is anyone holding him accountable for this &quot;prophecy&quot;? To whom is he accountable? Has he retracted this statement or offered an explanation of why it didn&#039;t come to pass?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If someone in my congregation had given a word like this, I&#039;d be asking some questions and have some things to say to him after it didn&#039;t happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone holding him accountable for this &quot;prophecy&quot;? To whom is he accountable? Has he retracted this statement or offered an explanation of why it didn&#39;t come to pass?</p>
<p>If someone in my congregation had given a word like this, I&#39;d be asking some questions and have some things to say to him after it didn&#39;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: birdie</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/pat_robertson_prediction/#comment-4232</link>
		<dc:creator>birdie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He said people must have prayed and God changed his mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He said people must have prayed and God changed his mind&#8230;</p>
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