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	<title>Comments on: The Situation at ORU Gets Worse for Richard Roberts</title>
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		<title>By: nanny</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3721</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ORU wants to be taken seriously as a higher education university they need the Roberts family to quit running the university..the university needs to stand on it&#039;s own legs or else I think it loses a lot of credibilty if they &quot;bully&quot; their way into complete control of the school. Roberts needs to recognize when to cut his losses and move ahead, because right now the family is making it so much worse than it had to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ORU wants to be taken seriously as a higher education university they need the Roberts family to quit running the university..the university needs to stand on it&#39;s own legs or else I think it loses a lot of credibilty if they &quot;bully&quot; their way into complete control of the school. Roberts needs to recognize when to cut his losses and move ahead, because right now the family is making it so much worse than it had to be.</p>
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		<title>By: alum 91</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3722</link>
		<dc:creator>alum 91</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the AP article says only &#039;a few professors&#039; wouldn&#039;t stand.  From that report it sounds like a majority of the tenured faculty were willing to take the challenge to try again.  Also, at last reporting, Richard still holds the title of &quot;President&quot; of the university and is on voluntary paid-leave until &#039;which time the Regents&#039; decide he can return.  (Read that how you will).  Technically, Richard is not the &#039;former President&#039; but actually the current president.  Billy Joe is titled &quot;Executive Regent&quot; but not &#039;President.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the AP article says only &#39;a few professors&#39; wouldn&#39;t stand.  From that report it sounds like a majority of the tenured faculty were willing to take the challenge to try again.  Also, at last reporting, Richard still holds the title of &quot;President&quot; of the university and is on voluntary paid-leave until &#39;which time the Regents&#39; decide he can return.  (Read that how you will).  Technically, Richard is not the &#39;former President&#39; but actually the current president.  Billy Joe is titled &quot;Executive Regent&quot; but not &#39;President.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3723</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, but the fact is, according to the Associated Press, Oral dropped the issue in the meeting, which means not enough faculty stood to make a change.  Also, I use &quot;former president&quot; because he&#039;s not the active leader of the university.  He may &quot;officially&quot; hold the title, but for practical purposes, he&#039;s not involved in day to day operations until the BOR decide whether or not to reinstate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, but the fact is, according to the Associated Press, Oral dropped the issue in the meeting, which means not enough faculty stood to make a change.  Also, I use &quot;former president&quot; because he&#39;s not the active leader of the university.  He may &quot;officially&quot; hold the title, but for practical purposes, he&#39;s not involved in day to day operations until the BOR decide whether or not to reinstate him.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodCommentary</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3724</link>
		<dc:creator>GoodCommentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark Lewandowski has really shown leadership here.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, his statement that he will resign if Richard returns, should already be a very obvious event.  If Richard is to return, he would demand Lewandowski&#039;s resignation, and likely several others that have been key faculty leaders would also be pressured to resign.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I still applaud him for stating it now, rather than letting it play out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I feel bad for Oral.  Really, I do.  I have an 85 yr old grandfather that has always been a community leader.  He, like Oral, has always been a very influencial person, was an entrepreneur, but started with nothing.  At his current age, he does not understand the times, and a noteable amount of impatience has become evident.  It is something that we humans struggle with as we age, becoming less patient, and a little more demanding.  From this perspective I understand Oral doing some of the things that he has done.  BUT in my opinion, Richard should not be allowing this.  If Richard was a good leader, he would know when it was time to step down.  He would know when it was time to move on, and he would be wise enough to analyze BOTH sides of what is happening, and realize that the risk of playing things the way they are playing them is just too high.  Fighting further is not only bad for him, it is bad for the school that his father built.  It will be extremely damaging to the legacy that his father has done so much to build.  We all hope to leave a legacy, a moral standing, a spiritual standing, and an inspiration to the generations that follow us.  If Richard had the respect for his father, and his father&#039;s legacy that he SHOULD have, and the wisdom to see where this is going, he would politely explain to his father, that he no longer wishes to pursue this, that it is time for him to move on.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why is it, that sometimes, even when our intentions are good, we get blinded to the flip-side of an issue?  It is natural, this should serve as an eye-opener to all of us, that even if we believe we are right, we need to have people that we are accountable to.  Not people that will &quot;yessir&quot; us, but people that will sharpen us with different perspectives, and that can speak freely without having to worry about what we will do to them for it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Lewandowski has really shown leadership here.  </p>
<p>However, his statement that he will resign if Richard returns, should already be a very obvious event.  If Richard is to return, he would demand Lewandowski&#39;s resignation, and likely several others that have been key faculty leaders would also be pressured to resign.</p>
<p>I still applaud him for stating it now, rather than letting it play out.</p>
<p>I feel bad for Oral.  Really, I do.  I have an 85 yr old grandfather that has always been a community leader.  He, like Oral, has always been a very influencial person, was an entrepreneur, but started with nothing.  At his current age, he does not understand the times, and a noteable amount of impatience has become evident.  It is something that we humans struggle with as we age, becoming less patient, and a little more demanding.  From this perspective I understand Oral doing some of the things that he has done.  BUT in my opinion, Richard should not be allowing this.  If Richard was a good leader, he would know when it was time to step down.  He would know when it was time to move on, and he would be wise enough to analyze BOTH sides of what is happening, and realize that the risk of playing things the way they are playing them is just too high.  Fighting further is not only bad for him, it is bad for the school that his father built.  It will be extremely damaging to the legacy that his father has done so much to build.  We all hope to leave a legacy, a moral standing, a spiritual standing, and an inspiration to the generations that follow us.  If Richard had the respect for his father, and his father&#39;s legacy that he SHOULD have, and the wisdom to see where this is going, he would politely explain to his father, that he no longer wishes to pursue this, that it is time for him to move on.</p>
<p>Why is it, that sometimes, even when our intentions are good, we get blinded to the flip-side of an issue?  It is natural, this should serve as an eye-opener to all of us, that even if we believe we are right, we need to have people that we are accountable to.  Not people that will &quot;yessir&quot; us, but people that will sharpen us with different perspectives, and that can speak freely without having to worry about what we will do to them for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Forrest</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3725</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not possible for a qualified university president to be installed, or a professor promoted, to run the university and provide credible leadership? And for Richard to run Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association as he raises funds to support the university? Why can&#039;t they be two separate ministries/organizations? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not possible for a qualified university president to be installed, or a professor promoted, to run the university and provide credible leadership? And for Richard to run Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association as he raises funds to support the university? Why can&#39;t they be two separate ministries/organizations? </p>
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		<title>By: Good Commentary</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3726</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the way.... This is the same Lewandowski that is a defendant in the lawsuit.  He is mentioned specifically for among other things, humiliating Swails with the manner in which he was fired.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe he is trying to make some restitution?  Maybe he hasn&#039;t slept well since that day even....&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;. This is the same Lewandowski that is a defendant in the lawsuit.  He is mentioned specifically for among other things, humiliating Swails with the manner in which he was fired.</p>
<p>Maybe he is trying to make some restitution?  Maybe he hasn&#39;t slept well since that day even&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Commentary</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3727</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Why can&#039;t they be two separate ministries / organizations?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well they certainly could, should, etc... but they aren&#039;t.  ORM owns ORU - it is spelled out quite plainly in the lawsuit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Why can&#39;t they be two separate ministries / organizations?&quot;</p>
<p>Well they certainly could, should, etc&#8230; but they aren&#39;t.  ORM owns ORU &#8211; it is spelled out quite plainly in the lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stableman</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3728</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stableman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What is it with these ministers who think they can gift their ministry to their kids?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not like a corner gas station ...&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;it&#039;s a ministry&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; ...built with tax free dollars from the good will gifts of donors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with these ministers who think they can gift their ministry to their kids?</p>
<p>It&#39;s not like a corner gas station &#8230;<em><strong>it&#39;s a ministry</strong></em> &#8230;built with tax free dollars from the good will gifts of donors.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Forrest</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3729</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re dealing with deep, dysfunctional issues of &lt;strong&gt;LEGACY&lt;/strong&gt; here. Almost as if we&#039;re walking through the Old Testament again; The prophet wants to pass the mantle over to the son (or daughter) so their legacy will carry forward. A search of the evangelical landscape confirms this: &lt;em&gt;Schuller to Schuller&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Crouch to Crouch, Fallwell to Falwell, Graham to Graham, Roberts to Roberts, Robertson to Robertson, Swaggart to Swaggart, Price to Price, Palau to Palau&lt;/em&gt;...the list goes on. When you&#039;ve held the reins so long, it&#039;s tough to see your ministry as anything &lt;em&gt;BUT&lt;/em&gt; a family business.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, Old School ministers &lt;em&gt;DO&lt;/em&gt; see this as the &lt;strong&gt;corner gas station&lt;/strong&gt;. Even if passing the ministry on to a relative is bad all around, and the gas station happens to bring in tens of millions in donations. The founder-president doesn&#039;t want donations to falter (there is a lifestyle to be maintained, peoples livelihoods are at stake), so it is seen as easiest to groom a son or daughter - for better or worse - &lt;strong&gt;to carry on the&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;torch&lt;/strong&gt;. Some are good at it; others are not. No judgements here on that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Phil has written in previous blogs about the disruption that occurs when there is a &lt;strong&gt;tug of war between founder and heir&lt;/strong&gt;. IBM&#039;s leadership struggles - typewriter company (dad) vs computer company (son) - was cited. Excellent example.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Might be a great time to trot out that blog item again, Phil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re dealing with deep, dysfunctional issues of <strong>LEGACY</strong> here. Almost as if we&#39;re walking through the Old Testament again; The prophet wants to pass the mantle over to the son (or daughter) so their legacy will carry forward. A search of the evangelical landscape confirms this: <em>Schuller to Schuller</em>, <em>Crouch to Crouch, Fallwell to Falwell, Graham to Graham, Roberts to Roberts, Robertson to Robertson, Swaggart to Swaggart, Price to Price, Palau to Palau</em>&#8230;the list goes on. When you&#39;ve held the reins so long, it&#39;s tough to see your ministry as anything <em>BUT</em> a family business.</p>
<p>So, Old School ministers <em>DO</em> see this as the <strong>corner gas station</strong>. Even if passing the ministry on to a relative is bad all around, and the gas station happens to bring in tens of millions in donations. The founder-president doesn&#39;t want donations to falter (there is a lifestyle to be maintained, peoples livelihoods are at stake), so it is seen as easiest to groom a son or daughter &#8211; for better or worse &#8211; <strong>to carry on the</strong> <strong>torch</strong>. Some are good at it; others are not. No judgements here on that.</p>
<p>Phil has written in previous blogs about the disruption that occurs when there is a <strong>tug of war between founder and heir</strong>. IBM&#39;s leadership struggles &#8211; typewriter company (dad) vs computer company (son) - was cited. Excellent example.</p>
<p>Might be a great time to trot out that blog item again, Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stableman</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/oral_second_chance/#comment-3730</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stableman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two exceptions here really ...one is the Grahams ...Franklin built something one his own that became bigger than BGEA.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Joel Osteen has built something greater than his incredible dad did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Richard has been in the batters box for 20 years, he has not created anything on his own.  The talk show has been marginally successful.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Craig, I agree with you.  That is how they see it.  They created something amazing out of nothing.  On a local level, we have the same issue with the founding pastor of our church.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But, if they were accountable to a real board, this would not happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two exceptions here really &#8230;one is the Grahams &#8230;Franklin built something one his own that became bigger than BGEA.</p>
<p>Joel Osteen has built something greater than his incredible dad did.</p>
<p>Richard has been in the batters box for 20 years, he has not created anything on his own.  The talk show has been marginally successful.</p>
<p>Craig, I agree with you.  That is how they see it.  They created something amazing out of nothing.  On a local level, we have the same issue with the founding pastor of our church.</p>
<p>But, if they were accountable to a real board, this would not happen.</p>
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