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		<title>By: Mark Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that we have to ask ourselves some questions in order to answer this question about offense.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Is it my goal to attack a person’s lifestyle so that I can be right and feel better about my own life?&lt;br /&gt;I am telling the truth in love and the result is simply that those who hear are offended by the truth?&lt;br /&gt;Is truth so strong that it penetrates the hearts of those who hear (all of us) so that the message and the messenger become one in the same; hated?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I really think that the heart of Christians is what really makes the difference when it comes to offense.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;You have no doubt heard the story of the woman who, once a year, got her husband to attend church with her; it was on Easter.  The first year that he went the Pastor preached a message on hell, hoping to frighten all once a year attendees to become serious all year about Christ.  The husband got up and walked out after service without saying a word.  The wife was mortified.  She just figured that her husband would never again attend church with her. The next Easter roles around and there was a new pastor, however, his message was just the same.  (You know denominations)  There was, however, something very different.  At the end of the message, when the invitation was given, the husband got up, and rather than walking out, walked to the altar.  The wife was shocked.  When they arrived home the wife asked her husband, “Why did you go to the altar, what was different than last year?”  The husband’s response was, “Last year the pastor preached like he wanted me to go to hell, this year the pastor preached like he was sorry that anyone would have to experience hell.”  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Point, people can tell whether we are speaking truth in love; or we just hate their lifestyle, thus, we hate them.  Love is what makes the pill of truth go down.  I just think that a lot of Christians are angry with “sinners” instead of hating what sin is doing to destroy these wonderful people that the church calls “sinners”. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I, like you, love Billy Graham’s approach to presenting truth.  God’s ideas are always easier for me to deal with than those of a denominational manual or a person’s personal opinion.  I think that we are to play hosts, like Jesus who was Lord of Hosts, to people.  We offer them a smorgasbord of His words and truth in hopes that they will receive and their life bettered.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;On a regular basis, as a pastor, I feel judged by parishioners and it is frustrating…and I know God.  I think that we have to do a better job making the package of our lives match the content of His love; a love that I hope resides in me and other Christians.  The truth must cut two ways; it reveals and then it heals.  Most of the time we just swing truth too reveal our opinions, our convictions, our doctrine without giving any consideration to the real reason for the revealing, which is to bring healing to all who hear.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Just a thought,&lt;br /&gt;Mark Crow - Victory Church, Oklahoma City  (victorychurch.tv)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we have to ask ourselves some questions in order to answer this question about offense.<br /> <br />Is it my goal to attack a person’s lifestyle so that I can be right and feel better about my own life?<br />I am telling the truth in love and the result is simply that those who hear are offended by the truth?<br />Is truth so strong that it penetrates the hearts of those who hear (all of us) so that the message and the messenger become one in the same; hated?<br /> <br />I really think that the heart of Christians is what really makes the difference when it comes to offense.<br /> <br />You have no doubt heard the story of the woman who, once a year, got her husband to attend church with her; it was on Easter.  The first year that he went the Pastor preached a message on hell, hoping to frighten all once a year attendees to become serious all year about Christ.  The husband got up and walked out after service without saying a word.  The wife was mortified.  She just figured that her husband would never again attend church with her. The next Easter roles around and there was a new pastor, however, his message was just the same.  (You know denominations)  There was, however, something very different.  At the end of the message, when the invitation was given, the husband got up, and rather than walking out, walked to the altar.  The wife was shocked.  When they arrived home the wife asked her husband, “Why did you go to the altar, what was different than last year?”  The husband’s response was, “Last year the pastor preached like he wanted me to go to hell, this year the pastor preached like he was sorry that anyone would have to experience hell.”  <br /> <br />Point, people can tell whether we are speaking truth in love; or we just hate their lifestyle, thus, we hate them.  Love is what makes the pill of truth go down.  I just think that a lot of Christians are angry with “sinners” instead of hating what sin is doing to destroy these wonderful people that the church calls “sinners”. <br /> <br />I, like you, love Billy Graham’s approach to presenting truth.  God’s ideas are always easier for me to deal with than those of a denominational manual or a person’s personal opinion.  I think that we are to play hosts, like Jesus who was Lord of Hosts, to people.  We offer them a smorgasbord of His words and truth in hopes that they will receive and their life bettered.  <br /> <br />On a regular basis, as a pastor, I feel judged by parishioners and it is frustrating…and I know God.  I think that we have to do a better job making the package of our lives match the content of His love; a love that I hope resides in me and other Christians.  The truth must cut two ways; it reveals and then it heals.  Most of the time we just swing truth too reveal our opinions, our convictions, our doctrine without giving any consideration to the real reason for the revealing, which is to bring healing to all who hear.<br /> <br />Just a thought,<br />Mark Crow &#8211; Victory Church, Oklahoma City  (victorychurch.tv)</p>
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		<title>By: Royzoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royzoner</dc:creator>
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		<description>I think your mention of Aslan is very interesting, and a perfect example of art/media working its way into the culture.  Aslan isn&#039;t a tame lion, (well he&#039;s less dangerous in the movie version) but the CS Lewis character does not endlessly quote from scripture! And there&#039;s a depth of theology to Narnia.

There are ways through drama, comedy, teaching, parable that demonstrate the weight of a faith decision.  That modern day preachers aren&#039;t doing that, well, yeah you can argue that, but sometimes a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your mention of Aslan is very interesting, and a perfect example of art/media working its way into the culture.  Aslan isn&#8217;t a tame lion, (well he&#8217;s less dangerous in the movie version) but the CS Lewis character does not endlessly quote from scripture! And there&#8217;s a depth of theology to Narnia.</p>
<p>There are ways through drama, comedy, teaching, parable that demonstrate the weight of a faith decision.  That modern day preachers aren&#8217;t doing that, well, yeah you can argue that, but sometimes a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Mark Chironna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Mark Chironna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The insights are profound...Sayers was brilliant...the dynamic however with Lewis, Williams and Tolkien was their ability to use allegory to communicate truth. Media can be a powerful vehicle for allegory and metaphoric speech even in the political arena if we are willing to speak to the culture as Paul did on Mars Hill. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I personally am persuaded that to remove the offense of the Cross is to deny the message itself, however I am also persuaded that the message of the cross is something that has to be lived and modeled as well as spoken. The rhetoric of our contemporary Christian culture is undergoing great upheaval and the upheaval is necessary. Our inadequate mental models as to how to influence culture are more often based in tele-evangelism on a Billy Sunday approach that has lost its cultural relate-ability. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We live in a generation that will not be motivated by guilt, hell-fire or brimstone, or even the ceaseless quoting of Scriptures. History has proven that whoever masters the language rules the culture...Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Rome, Greece...etc....If we are to be salt and light we have to indeed be &quot;wise as serpents&quot; and &quot;harmless as doves&quot; - the gay agenda has operated under that metaphor whether we realize it or not (at least in their public persona as it relates to the real power-brokers who are shaping its ideology via the media). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I believe that because of the frenzied affects that &quot;any minute Jesus is coming&quot; has had on two generations of believers, we have lost the long view of history that the covenant fathers had, and have wanted change immediately instead of generationally...we need to find the tipping point and strategically position ourselves to be there...we are only at the early stages of what it will take to recapture the effects of a Lewis, a Tolkien, or a Madeleine L&#039;Engle on the current culture. Like it or not, people have come to believe that the American &quot;preaching&quot; cultural phenomenon = the Biblical concept of &quot;preaching&quot;..this could not be further from the truth. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thought the article was great. Our belief that we have to convert everyone in order to change the culture is an inaccurate mental model...what we have to do is influence the influencers at the tipping point.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Blessings for the New Year&lt;br /&gt;Mark&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insights are profound&#8230;Sayers was brilliant&#8230;the dynamic however with Lewis, Williams and Tolkien was their ability to use allegory to communicate truth. Media can be a powerful vehicle for allegory and metaphoric speech even in the political arena if we are willing to speak to the culture as Paul did on Mars Hill. </p>
<p>I personally am persuaded that to remove the offense of the Cross is to deny the message itself, however I am also persuaded that the message of the cross is something that has to be lived and modeled as well as spoken. The rhetoric of our contemporary Christian culture is undergoing great upheaval and the upheaval is necessary. Our inadequate mental models as to how to influence culture are more often based in tele-evangelism on a Billy Sunday approach that has lost its cultural relate-ability. </p>
<p>We live in a generation that will not be motivated by guilt, hell-fire or brimstone, or even the ceaseless quoting of Scriptures. History has proven that whoever masters the language rules the culture&#8230;Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Rome, Greece&#8230;etc&#8230;.If we are to be salt and light we have to indeed be &quot;wise as serpents&quot; and &quot;harmless as doves&quot; &#8211; the gay agenda has operated under that metaphor whether we realize it or not (at least in their public persona as it relates to the real power-brokers who are shaping its ideology via the media). </p>
<p>I believe that because of the frenzied affects that &quot;any minute Jesus is coming&quot; has had on two generations of believers, we have lost the long view of history that the covenant fathers had, and have wanted change immediately instead of generationally&#8230;we need to find the tipping point and strategically position ourselves to be there&#8230;we are only at the early stages of what it will take to recapture the effects of a Lewis, a Tolkien, or a Madeleine L&#39;Engle on the current culture. Like it or not, people have come to believe that the American &quot;preaching&quot; cultural phenomenon = the Biblical concept of &quot;preaching&quot;..this could not be further from the truth. </p>
<p>Thought the article was great. Our belief that we have to convert everyone in order to change the culture is an inaccurate mental model&#8230;what we have to do is influence the influencers at the tipping point.<br /> <br />Blessings for the New Year<br />Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Royzoner</title>
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		<description>Hi Mr. Phil Cooke I caught your dream being interpreted by John Paul Jackson on God tv late last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr. Phil Cooke I caught your dream being interpreted by John Paul Jackson on God tv late last night.</p>
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		<title>By: nanhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nanhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;&quot;If you reason w/ an arrogant cynic, you&#039;ll get slapped in the face; confront bad behavior and get a kick in the shins. So don&#039;t waste your time on a scoffer; all you&#039;ll get for your pains is abuse. BUT if you correct those who care about life, that&#039;s different-they&#039;ll love you for it! Save your breath for the wise-they&#039;ll be wiser for it: tell good people what you know-they&#039;ll profit from it.&quot; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;Prov. 9, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;The Message bible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;The right word/action at the right moment, to the right listener, can be the difference between revival and continued darkness. Every believer has their walk to walk, their mission to carry out. Every generation has unique issues to address, using the communication methods available to them. Thank God we aren&#039;t all called to share Jesus in exactly the same way. Get naked and pitch a tent on the streets if you’re called to or keep quiet until God says it&#039;s time to speak. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;For me it&#039;s to show up and love lavishly, or simply, though my words and actions -this is my fundamental journey - to be careful of judgment and walk in spiritual curiosity, to carry truth and not be ashamed or fearful to act. Where he leads I intend to go. We &#039;the body&#039; must mature, survive life&#039;s fires (we all have them) and go deep with God. We are his living epistles. What we say, how we say it and to who matters. He&#039;s writing his story through us as a testament to who he is. &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://nangirl.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://nangirl.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt; (tattoo me)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">&quot;If you reason w/ an arrogant cynic, you&#39;ll get slapped in the face; confront bad behavior and get a kick in the shins. So don&#39;t waste your time on a scoffer; all you&#39;ll get for your pains is abuse. BUT if you correct those who care about life, that&#39;s different-they&#39;ll love you for it! Save your breath for the wise-they&#39;ll be wiser for it: tell good people what you know-they&#39;ll profit from it.&quot; </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">Prov. 9, </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">The Message bible</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">The right word/action at the right moment, to the right listener, can be the difference between revival and continued darkness. Every believer has their walk to walk, their mission to carry out. Every generation has unique issues to address, using the communication methods available to them. Thank God we aren&#39;t all called to share Jesus in exactly the same way. Get naked and pitch a tent on the streets if you’re called to or keep quiet until God says it&#39;s time to speak. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">For me it&#39;s to show up and love lavishly, or simply, though my words and actions -this is my fundamental journey &#8211; to be careful of judgment and walk in spiritual curiosity, to carry truth and not be ashamed or fearful to act. Where he leads I intend to go. We &#39;the body&#39; must mature, survive life&#39;s fires (we all have them) and go deep with God. We are his living epistles. What we say, how we say it and to who matters. He&#39;s writing his story through us as a testament to who he is. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://nangirl.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://nangirl.blogspot.com/</a> (tattoo me)</span></p>
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		<title>By: Chad Arment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Arment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of presenting Christian truth in allegory: why hasn&#039;t anyone adapted a Charles Williams novel to film? All Hallow&#039;s Eve would be a good place to start...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of presenting Christian truth in allegory: why hasn&#39;t anyone adapted a Charles Williams novel to film? All Hallow&#39;s Eve would be a good place to start&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nanhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nanhan</dc:creator>
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		<description>Oh yeah and about Pat Robertson -- his prophetic batting average ain&#039;t so great. He should do himself a favor and &#039;hid a few things in his heart,&#039; get some confirmation from other prophets before he spouts. But we can&#039;t stop him, though the clip I saw I swear Terry Mewusen wanted to stick a rag in his mouth. But there you have it -- he has the freedom and access to &#039;proclaim, thus saith...&#039; Mine is not to defend or deny, but to watch what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah and about Pat Robertson &#8212; his prophetic batting average ain&#39;t so great. He should do himself a favor and &#39;hid a few things in his heart,&#39; get some confirmation from other prophets before he spouts. But we can&#39;t stop him, though the clip I saw I swear Terry Mewusen wanted to stick a rag in his mouth. But there you have it &#8212; he has the freedom and access to &#39;proclaim, thus saith&#8230;&#39; Mine is not to defend or deny, but to watch what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Hutchinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Hutchinson</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Back to the excellent article our &quot;Dr. Phil&quot; did on impacting the culture.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do think he has something in looking at how successful the gays have been in taking over Hollywood.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We need to be training an army of the brightest young people to find their way into the industry and bubble up to the top.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My question is, where can young people go to get the skills they need to enter in?  Ideas anyone?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the excellent article our &quot;Dr. Phil&quot; did on impacting the culture.</p>
<p>I do think he has something in looking at how successful the gays have been in taking over Hollywood.</p>
<p>We need to be training an army of the brightest young people to find their way into the industry and bubble up to the top.</p>
<p>My question is, where can young people go to get the skills they need to enter in?  Ideas anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Covell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Covell</dc:creator>
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		<description>Phil,

Thanks so much for this wonderful essay.  I am in COMPLETE agreement with you, as I always am. I want to point out to some of the people who responded that we don&#039;t need to go out of our way to make the Bible offensive, as some insensitive Christians do....  It&#039;s offensive enough on it&#039;s own - if we&#039;re honest when telling the truth of the Gospel.

I think the greatest sin by Christians talking about their faith is the sin of ommission.  We leave out truth because we&#039;re afraid people aren&#039;t going to like us, or we think they aren&#039;t ready to hear it, or we don&#039;t want to get someone mad..... on the on the inner monologue goes in our head, until we&#039;ve watered down the truth to be luke warm and completely non-offensive, because it&#039;s neither salt nor light to the listener.

So, keep up the dialogue.  And to those reading this, have a heart to heart with God and ask Him if you&#039;re really talking TRUTH when you&#039;re sharing your faith, or if you&#039;re playing it safe and not really saying anything at all.  If you&#039;re loving in your presentation but truth with your information, then you&#039;ll probably be offensive - and you&#039;ve probably done some eternally  work.

Karen Covell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for this wonderful essay.  I am in COMPLETE agreement with you, as I always am. I want to point out to some of the people who responded that we don&#8217;t need to go out of our way to make the Bible offensive, as some insensitive Christians do&#8230;.  It&#8217;s offensive enough on it&#8217;s own &#8211; if we&#8217;re honest when telling the truth of the Gospel.</p>
<p>I think the greatest sin by Christians talking about their faith is the sin of ommission.  We leave out truth because we&#8217;re afraid people aren&#8217;t going to like us, or we think they aren&#8217;t ready to hear it, or we don&#8217;t want to get someone mad&#8230;.. on the on the inner monologue goes in our head, until we&#8217;ve watered down the truth to be luke warm and completely non-offensive, because it&#8217;s neither salt nor light to the listener.</p>
<p>So, keep up the dialogue.  And to those reading this, have a heart to heart with God and ask Him if you&#8217;re really talking TRUTH when you&#8217;re sharing your faith, or if you&#8217;re playing it safe and not really saying anything at all.  If you&#8217;re loving in your presentation but truth with your information, then you&#8217;ll probably be offensive &#8211; and you&#8217;ve probably done some eternally  work.</p>
<p>Karen Covell</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Covell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Covell</dc:creator>
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		<description>Mary,
The training is already happening.  There are 19 active ministries in Hollywood doing training, evangelism, prayer, networking, encouraging, etc.  Please check out three websites:
www.hollywoodconnect.com
www.hollywoodprayernetwork.org
www.actoneprogram.com

Here is a page of the Hollywood Connect website that lists all of the active ministries in Hollywood:  http://www.hollywoodconnect.com/getconnected/getconnected_index.htm

I think you&#039;ll be encouraged.  And pass on the word!
Karen Covell
Cirector, Hollywood Prayer Network</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,<br />
The training is already happening.  There are 19 active ministries in Hollywood doing training, evangelism, prayer, networking, encouraging, etc.  Please check out three websites:<br />
<a href="http://www.hollywoodconnect.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hollywoodconnect.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.hollywoodprayernetwork.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hollywoodprayernetwork.org</a><br />
<a href="http://www.actoneprogram.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.actoneprogram.com</a></p>
<p>Here is a page of the Hollywood Connect website that lists all of the active ministries in Hollywood:  <a href="http://www.hollywoodconnect.com/getconnected/getconnected_index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hollywoodconnect.com/getconnected/getconnected_index.htm</a></p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ll be encouraged.  And pass on the word!<br />
Karen Covell<br />
Cirector, Hollywood Prayer Network</p>
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