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	<title>Comments on: “Money Follows Ministry:”  Why It’s a Myth</title>
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		<title>By: Chuck Allen</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8118</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, you nailed Phil. I live it as truth day in and day out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, you nailed Phil. I live it as truth day in and day out.</p>
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		<title>By: bwillix</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8119</link>
		<dc:creator>bwillix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I disagree if God is it the money and workers will come. That is part of faith.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree if God is it the money and workers will come. That is part of faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K.</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8120</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I absolutely agree with you -- &quot;money follows ministry&quot; is probably an old school paradigm that needs to be shifted. As I was telling some communication colleagues yesterday, people support people and causes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In my experience, a personal connection is the strongest motivator for people to remain faithful in their financial support, even during tough economic times. It&#039;s that personal sense of responsibility for another human being that is the strongest motivator.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The second strongest motivator today I&#039;d say is causes. As Tom Watson explains in his book &quot;CauseWired,&quot; causes are not just issues that people care about. Causes are now a part of our social identity -- it&#039;s an identifiable part of who we are. When I join a new cause on Facebook, I&#039;m not just doing it because I care about that cause (which I do), I&#039;m doing it in part because I want other people to know I care about that cause (it&#039;s part of who I am, my online identity). That&#039;s a pretty huge psycho-social shift that many non-profits and ministries haven&#039;t fully grappled with yet. In a nutshell: &quot;I am what I support.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s necessarily a good thing, but I would say (as Watson argues) it is the reality of the hyper-connected, always-on, 24/7, globalized world that we live in today. That&#039;s the new reality. Get used to it, embrace it, or go the way of the dinosaur.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How&#039;s that for two cents? ;-) Always great discussions here, Phil! I hope others will chime in as well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Shalom,&lt;br /&gt;Steve K.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with you &#8212; &#8220;money follows ministry&#8221; is probably an old school paradigm that needs to be shifted. As I was telling some communication colleagues yesterday, people support people and causes.</p>
<p>In my experience, a personal connection is the strongest motivator for people to remain faithful in their financial support, even during tough economic times. It&#8217;s that personal sense of responsibility for another human being that is the strongest motivator.</p>
<p>The second strongest motivator today I&#8217;d say is causes. As Tom Watson explains in his book &#8220;CauseWired,&#8221; causes are not just issues that people care about. Causes are now a part of our social identity &#8212; it&#8217;s an identifiable part of who we are. When I join a new cause on Facebook, I&#8217;m not just doing it because I care about that cause (which I do), I&#8217;m doing it in part because I want other people to know I care about that cause (it&#8217;s part of who I am, my online identity). That&#8217;s a pretty huge psycho-social shift that many non-profits and ministries haven&#8217;t fully grappled with yet. In a nutshell: &#8220;I am what I support.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s necessarily a good thing, but I would say (as Watson argues) it is the reality of the hyper-connected, always-on, 24/7, globalized world that we live in today. That&#8217;s the new reality. Get used to it, embrace it, or go the way of the dinosaur.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for two cents? ;-) Always great discussions here, Phil! I hope others will chime in as well.</p>
<p>Shalom,<br />Steve K.</p>
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		<title>By: joesindorf</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8121</link>
		<dc:creator>joesindorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I totally agree, Phil.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, allow me to augment one point.&#160; You stated: &quot;I have discovered that most of the people that defend the concept have really small ministries where significant funding isn&#039;t really needed.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You and I both know of a major television network that sent out a letter to all of its paid time programmers last week in which the president of the network said: &quot;Use that time [your program airtime] to &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;minister&lt;/span&gt; to your TV viewers.&#160; If you will do this, I can assure you that you and your ministry will be supported!&#160; God&#039;s word promises this again and again.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The group&#160;I referenced&#160;is not a really small ministry, it&#039;s a really really big ministry.&#160; They don&#039;t just minister and sit back whilst the support rolls in -- they ask for&#160;support every day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Money seems to follow some ministries... but it also seems to follow certain hucksters, snake oil salesmen and master prophets.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s what I&#039;ve found to be true:&#160; Money follows ministries that minister well to their audience and&#160;who ask for support in a compelling way, and routinely show that they use the donor&#039;s dollars in an ethical and effective way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree, Phil.</p>
<p>However, allow me to augment one point.&nbsp; You stated: &#8220;I have discovered that most of the people that defend the concept have really small ministries where significant funding isn&#8217;t really needed.&#8221;</p>
<p>You and I both know of a major television network that sent out a letter to all of its paid time programmers last week in which the president of the network said: &#8220;Use that time [your program airtime] to <span style="text-decoration: underline;">minister</span> to your TV viewers.&nbsp; If you will do this, I can assure you that you and your ministry will be supported!&nbsp; God&#8217;s word promises this again and again.&#8221;</p>
<p>The group&nbsp;I referenced&nbsp;is not a really small ministry, it&#8217;s a really really big ministry.&nbsp; They don&#8217;t just minister and sit back whilst the support rolls in &#8212; they ask for&nbsp;support every day.</p>
<p>Money seems to follow some ministries&#8230; but it also seems to follow certain hucksters, snake oil salesmen and master prophets.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve found to be true:&nbsp; Money follows ministries that minister well to their audience and&nbsp;who ask for support in a compelling way, and routinely show that they use the donor&#8217;s dollars in an ethical and effective way.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Shuford</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8122</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Shuford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree and disagree!&#160; This discussion is akin to the Calvinism / Arminienism discussion (not sure I&#039;m spelling that right), and as with that, the truth is a river that flows between two banks...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;By my nature, I&#039;m a task oriented, get it done guy, so my leaning on this would be that of course God CAN do anything, but if you are a ministry and expect that God will always choose to feed you through the ravens, you aren&#039;t going to make it.&#160; You have to do the good works that God set forward in advance, both in ministering and in communicating about the ministry in a way that raises support.&#160; That&#039;s uncomfortable for many people so they abdicate that responsibility and look up for ravens.&#160; If you aren&#039;t a good steward with the ministry God gives you, and don&#039;t do the hard work of managing that ministry&#039;s income and expenses, it won&#039;t exist forever.&#160; Part of ministry work is giving God the credit, and that is NOT the same as the ministry itself. It is the testimonial of the ministry that inspires it&#039;s growth in volunteers and donors.&#160; That is what fundraising falls under.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Having said that, God just funded our teen issue ministry My Broken Palace with six figures relatively out of the blue.&#160; Our first year grassroots budget is paid for. Big vision from God, then a big raven.&#160; However, I&#039;m not expecting God to miraculously do that everytime we need revenue.&#160; Elijah wasn&#039;t fed by ravens for his whole life... He did have to go out and get his own food most of the time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think the answer is that God supplies fish to you in miraculous ways and supplies you with the fishing pole to do your own fishing as well.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;:)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree and disagree!&nbsp; This discussion is akin to the Calvinism / Arminienism discussion (not sure I&#8217;m spelling that right), and as with that, the truth is a river that flows between two banks&#8230;</p>
<p>By my nature, I&#8217;m a task oriented, get it done guy, so my leaning on this would be that of course God CAN do anything, but if you are a ministry and expect that God will always choose to feed you through the ravens, you aren&#8217;t going to make it.&nbsp; You have to do the good works that God set forward in advance, both in ministering and in communicating about the ministry in a way that raises support.&nbsp; That&#8217;s uncomfortable for many people so they abdicate that responsibility and look up for ravens.&nbsp; If you aren&#8217;t a good steward with the ministry God gives you, and don&#8217;t do the hard work of managing that ministry&#8217;s income and expenses, it won&#8217;t exist forever.&nbsp; Part of ministry work is giving God the credit, and that is NOT the same as the ministry itself. It is the testimonial of the ministry that inspires it&#8217;s growth in volunteers and donors.&nbsp; That is what fundraising falls under.</p>
<p>Having said that, God just funded our teen issue ministry My Broken Palace with six figures relatively out of the blue.&nbsp; Our first year grassroots budget is paid for. Big vision from God, then a big raven.&nbsp; However, I&#8217;m not expecting God to miraculously do that everytime we need revenue.&nbsp; Elijah wasn&#8217;t fed by ravens for his whole life&#8230; He did have to go out and get his own food most of the time.</p>
<p>I think the answer is that God supplies fish to you in miraculous ways and supplies you with the fishing pole to do your own fishing as well.&nbsp;</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Crosby</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8123</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with this article with one minor difference. &#160;Money follows vision, not ministry. &#160;A strong leader must have vision and then be able to clearly communicate it. &#160;A strong leader can communicate that vision in such a way that others will want to give to it. &#160;Venture capitalists want both a solid business plan and someone with vision to carry it out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Money will follow vision if given the opportunity like Phil says here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this article with one minor difference. &nbsp;Money follows vision, not ministry. &nbsp;A strong leader must have vision and then be able to clearly communicate it. &nbsp;A strong leader can communicate that vision in such a way that others will want to give to it. &nbsp;Venture capitalists want both a solid business plan and someone with vision to carry it out.</p>
<p>Money will follow vision if given the opportunity like Phil says here.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCarty</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8124</link>
		<dc:creator>John McCarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am in line with Leo, being basically a promoter of ministries most of my career,&#160; since the late 80&#039;s, and enduring scandal, bad economies, lousy communicators, and donor fatigue due to massive competition for donor dollars, I have learned that usually the con artists eventually blow up, (not always), and those who are able to to connect the hearts of the listener to the vision of the ministry succeed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in line with Leo, being basically a promoter of ministries most of my career,&nbsp; since the late 80&#8242;s, and enduring scandal, bad economies, lousy communicators, and donor fatigue due to massive competition for donor dollars, I have learned that usually the con artists eventually blow up, (not always), and those who are able to to connect the hearts of the listener to the vision of the ministry succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brand</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8125</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you have nailed it, Phil. As a former career missionary who is now a Senior Pastor in the USA and who grew up as a PK and MK, I can say from experience that some of the people I have known whose ministry was most profoundly impacting others sometimes suffered financial lack, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it was because they did not practice good stewardship in their personal lives and ministries; sometimes it was because they were not faithful givers themselves and thus were never positioned before God to receive any abundance; sometimes it was because they had either never learned to fundraise or because they refused to fundraise, deeming it &quot;unspiritual&quot; or even unbiblical; and sometimes it may well have been for other reasons known only to God that were not in any way indicative of failure on their part.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I met missionaries on the field, for instance, who had bought into what they &lt;span style=&quot;text-decoration: underline;&quot;&gt;thought&lt;/span&gt; was George Muller&#039;s and Hudson Taylor&#039;s paradigm of only &quot;believing&quot; without ever &quot;asking,&quot; but who had either overlooked or simply did not know that there was much more to both of those icon&#039;s testimonies to the faithfulness of God in the area of finances than prayer and faith alone. Sharing financial &quot;prayer needs&quot; in a letter with friends and past supporters without directly soliciting a donation is in itself a form of fundraising...!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have nailed it, Phil. As a former career missionary who is now a Senior Pastor in the USA and who grew up as a PK and MK, I can say from experience that some of the people I have known whose ministry was most profoundly impacting others sometimes suffered financial lack, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it was because they did not practice good stewardship in their personal lives and ministries; sometimes it was because they were not faithful givers themselves and thus were never positioned before God to receive any abundance; sometimes it was because they had either never learned to fundraise or because they refused to fundraise, deeming it &#8220;unspiritual&#8221; or even unbiblical; and sometimes it may well have been for other reasons known only to God that were not in any way indicative of failure on their part.</p>
<p>I met missionaries on the field, for instance, who had bought into what they <span style="text-decoration: underline;">thought</span> was George Muller&#8217;s and Hudson Taylor&#8217;s paradigm of only &#8220;believing&#8221; without ever &#8220;asking,&#8221; but who had either overlooked or simply did not know that there was much more to both of those icon&#8217;s testimonies to the faithfulness of God in the area of finances than prayer and faith alone. Sharing financial &#8220;prayer needs&#8221; in a letter with friends and past supporters without directly soliciting a donation is in itself a form of fundraising&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Newton</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8126</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding TV... its interesting to note that airtime costs have&#160;NOT increased significanly over the years, as a matter of fact in many cases costs have decreased&#160;due to current ecomomic conditions while&#160;potential households (available homes viewiing TV numbers)&#160;are on the rise.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Still airtime is the largest budget item that a broadcast ministry&#160;must contend with&#160;and the key is to have provoking content/causes/products,&#160;etc.&#160;that generate&#160;direct response and&#160;a positive&#160;ROI.&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;How one raises funds is unique to each ministry...old school ways may work for a little while longer...but I&#039;m seeing&#160;trends where&#160;certain ministries who have developed&#160;unique niches&#160;have&#160;brokenthrough.&#160;I see others with a big vision, but TV doesn&#039;t work for them.&#160;TV is certainly not for the fainthearted, nor is it right for every ministry. Maybe that&#039;s why they need to hire you Phil... ;-)&#160;&#160;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding TV&#8230; its interesting to note that airtime costs have&nbsp;NOT increased significanly over the years, as a matter of fact in many cases costs have decreased&nbsp;due to current ecomomic conditions while&nbsp;potential households (available homes viewiing TV numbers)&nbsp;are on the rise.</p>
<p>Still airtime is the largest budget item that a broadcast ministry&nbsp;must contend with&nbsp;and the key is to have provoking content/causes/products,&nbsp;etc.&nbsp;that generate&nbsp;direct response and&nbsp;a positive&nbsp;ROI.&nbsp;</p>
<p>How one raises funds is unique to each ministry&#8230;old school ways may work for a little while longer&#8230;but I&#8217;m seeing&nbsp;trends where&nbsp;certain ministries who have developed&nbsp;unique niches&nbsp;have&nbsp;brokenthrough.&nbsp;I see others with a big vision, but TV doesn&#8217;t work for them.&nbsp;TV is certainly not for the fainthearted, nor is it right for every ministry. Maybe that&#8217;s why they need to hire you Phil&#8230; ;-)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: evanalstine</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/money_follows_ministry/#comment-8127</link>
		<dc:creator>evanalstine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my experience with angel and venture capital, I&#039;ve found that money follows clearly communicated vision only when the leader has a track record of solid execution, which in Christian terms I&#039;d call &quot;effective ministry.&quot; When leaders are creating a track record of results, communicating clear vision, and&#160;showing a compelling spiritual return on investment, they break through the competitive donor clamor. They are also more likely to get bigger checks from&#160;larger, deep-pocket donors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience with angel and venture capital, I&#8217;ve found that money follows clearly communicated vision only when the leader has a track record of solid execution, which in Christian terms I&#8217;d call &#8220;effective ministry.&#8221; When leaders are creating a track record of results, communicating clear vision, and&nbsp;showing a compelling spiritual return on investment, they break through the competitive donor clamor. They are also more likely to get bigger checks from&nbsp;larger, deep-pocket donors.</p>
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