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		<title>By: Bart Breen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We have a term for some of the elements you note here.  It&#039;s called toxic leadership.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an excellent book on the subject that explains and works through how insecure and damaging leaders of this type rise to to power, but more importantly perhaps, what it is about people and organizations that causes us to follow them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Allure-Toxic-Leaders-Destructive-Politicians/dp/0195166345&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Allure-Toxic-Leaders-Destructive-Politicians/dp/0195166345&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a term for some of the elements you note here.  It&#39;s called toxic leadership.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s an excellent book on the subject that explains and works through how insecure and damaging leaders of this type rise to to power, but more importantly perhaps, what it is about people and organizations that causes us to follow them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Allure-Toxic-Leaders-Destructive-Politicians/dp/0195166345" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Allure-Toxic-Leaders-Destructive-Politicians/dp/0195166345</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Winkler Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Winkler Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post Phil!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are three general problems with &quot;troublesome&quot; Christian media ministries:  They don&#039;t like self-restraint, they won&#039;t self-critique and they won&#039;t join in any independent overwatch organization.  This is a recipe for disaster.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The fix?  Dedication to the imposition of self-restraint, which is what Abraham Lincoln talked about in the Gettysburg Address.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Phil!</p>
<p>There are three general problems with &quot;troublesome&quot; Christian media ministries:  They don&#39;t like self-restraint, they won&#39;t self-critique and they won&#39;t join in any independent overwatch organization.  This is a recipe for disaster.  </p>
<p>The fix?  Dedication to the imposition of self-restraint, which is what Abraham Lincoln talked about in the Gettysburg Address.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for being with us at Awaken!  Enjoyed your thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for being with us at Awaken!  Enjoyed your thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Fickett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Fickett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed this blog.  The churches forward movement has been hindered many times by insecure leaders.  Thanks for this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed this blog.  The churches forward movement has been hindered many times by insecure leaders.  Thanks for this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Conley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Conley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This I found in a review of the book:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;What fascinates her is that people will continue to follow leaders, remain loyal to leaders, and vigorously resist change and challenges to leaders who have clearly violated the leader/follower relationship and abjectly abused their power as leaders to the direct detriment of the people they are leading. When we continue not only to tolerate leaders such as this, but to remain loyal followers (the book is full of examples of just this phenomenon), and when such people fascinate us through the media images they project, and we find them positively alluring, Lipman-Blumen suggests there is something of a deeply psychological nature going on and this is the place where her remarkably penetrating investigation takes off, in the central question of the book: What are the forces that propel followers, again and again, to accept, often favor, and sometimes create, toxic leaders?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;These are valid questions.  I&#039;ve never read the book, but my interest is piqued.  Admittedly, the answer I most want is as follows:  How do we interact with these leaders and their sycophants productively?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ideas?  Anyone!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#039;Cause Phil, I don&#039;t think these leaders or their followers know who they are.  In many cases, the rest of us have a bit of trouble figuring it out too!  You know they&#039;re a royal pain, but figuring out why can take a while.  Figuring out what to do about it, longer!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s a sycophant of one of these fruitcake leaders trying to reach me right now. He will claim his call is social, but he&#039;ll be trying to manipulate me into revealing information his boss can use for one of his selfish agendas.  The sycophant isn&#039;t a bad guy, but he is weak and silly.  If he weren&#039;t, he wouldn&#039;t be an errand boy for a sociopath.   I wish he and I could be friends, but for that he&#039;d have to have a bit more respect, both for himself and for me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; These leaders are a nuisance at best, and their followers remind me of some of Shakespeare&#039;s more memorable tragic characters.  How do we deal with all this drama?  How do we interact with them in ethical, productive ways?   &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This I found in a review of the book:</p>
<p>&quot;What fascinates her is that people will continue to follow leaders, remain loyal to leaders, and vigorously resist change and challenges to leaders who have clearly violated the leader/follower relationship and abjectly abused their power as leaders to the direct detriment of the people they are leading. When we continue not only to tolerate leaders such as this, but to remain loyal followers (the book is full of examples of just this phenomenon), and when such people fascinate us through the media images they project, and we find them positively alluring, Lipman-Blumen suggests there is something of a deeply psychological nature going on and this is the place where her remarkably penetrating investigation takes off, in the central question of the book: What are the forces that propel followers, again and again, to accept, often favor, and sometimes create, toxic leaders?&quot;</p>
<p>These are valid questions.  I&#39;ve never read the book, but my interest is piqued.  Admittedly, the answer I most want is as follows:  How do we interact with these leaders and their sycophants productively?</p>
<p>Ideas?  Anyone!</p>
<p>&#39;Cause Phil, I don&#39;t think these leaders or their followers know who they are.  In many cases, the rest of us have a bit of trouble figuring it out too!  You know they&#39;re a royal pain, but figuring out why can take a while.  Figuring out what to do about it, longer!</p>
<p>There&#39;s a sycophant of one of these fruitcake leaders trying to reach me right now. He will claim his call is social, but he&#39;ll be trying to manipulate me into revealing information his boss can use for one of his selfish agendas.  The sycophant isn&#39;t a bad guy, but he is weak and silly.  If he weren&#39;t, he wouldn&#39;t be an errand boy for a sociopath.   I wish he and I could be friends, but for that he&#39;d have to have a bit more respect, both for himself and for me.</p>
<p> These leaders are a nuisance at best, and their followers remind me of some of Shakespeare&#39;s more memorable tragic characters.  How do we deal with all this drama?  How do we interact with them in ethical, productive ways?   </p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great writing - I especially loved your last point. I would give my right arm to be elevated into a position way beyond my abilities - heck thats where you can take the credit for everyone else&#039;s great ideas! Who cares if you take the kudos, take the glory, take the pay rise, ....but for heavens sake just make sure you take the great ideas that help your organisation move forward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great writing &#8211; I especially loved your last point. I would give my right arm to be elevated into a position way beyond my abilities &#8211; heck thats where you can take the credit for everyone else&#39;s great ideas! Who cares if you take the kudos, take the glory, take the pay rise, &#8230;.but for heavens sake just make sure you take the great ideas that help your organisation move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jermayn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the many things I love about my wife is that she can continually help me stay humble so that I do not catch the &quot;Its all about me&quot; bug that ruins so many ministries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the many things I love about my wife is that she can continually help me stay humble so that I do not catch the &quot;Its all about me&quot; bug that ruins so many ministries</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Smithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Man, does this post hit home. I was recently laid off from a producing position that was a revolving door for others, many of them because they didn&#039;t have the &quot;culture&quot; of the church. The leader &quot;in charge&quot; had a direct path to the pastor, who trusted this person implicitly. The leader had no experience, background or education in media but was promoted to Executive Producer for the tv show because they were &quot;faithful&quot;, and because they had slowly, eventually gotten rid of the competition. (They were also put in charge of missions, but had never been a missionary or spent significant time on the mission field.) Normal production, distribution and workflow issues were often explained, but one could tell that these ideas and info just rattled around in their brain. Light on, nobody home. They were afraid to admit they didn&#039;t know the basics out of insecurity. If you were smarter than them, you were a threat. The sad fact is that this person ran off scores of good, talented people, rarely if ever admitted mistakes, bullied people, worked them to death and pointed to others to cover their backside. Because the pastor trusted (still does) this person completely, he only knows, mostly, what he&#039;s told by the leader. Which is the way he likes it; one less ministry to worry about. The media ministry is a train wreck. An expensive one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This might describe one of your ministry leaders, which is sad. There is so much to do for God these days, and media has proven to be an effective tool when used properly. I like the &quot;Good To Great&quot; analogy: there are some people on the bus in the wrong seat. Get them into the right seat asap. Others can be trained and developed to someday be in another seat. But others shouldn&#039;t be on the bus at all. Be nice, but get them off that bus pronto!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, does this post hit home. I was recently laid off from a producing position that was a revolving door for others, many of them because they didn&#39;t have the &quot;culture&quot; of the church. The leader &quot;in charge&quot; had a direct path to the pastor, who trusted this person implicitly. The leader had no experience, background or education in media but was promoted to Executive Producer for the tv show because they were &quot;faithful&quot;, and because they had slowly, eventually gotten rid of the competition. (They were also put in charge of missions, but had never been a missionary or spent significant time on the mission field.) Normal production, distribution and workflow issues were often explained, but one could tell that these ideas and info just rattled around in their brain. Light on, nobody home. They were afraid to admit they didn&#39;t know the basics out of insecurity. If you were smarter than them, you were a threat. The sad fact is that this person ran off scores of good, talented people, rarely if ever admitted mistakes, bullied people, worked them to death and pointed to others to cover their backside. Because the pastor trusted (still does) this person completely, he only knows, mostly, what he&#39;s told by the leader. Which is the way he likes it; one less ministry to worry about. The media ministry is a train wreck. An expensive one.</p>
<p>This might describe one of your ministry leaders, which is sad. There is so much to do for God these days, and media has proven to be an effective tool when used properly. I like the &quot;Good To Great&quot; analogy: there are some people on the bus in the wrong seat. Get them into the right seat asap. Others can be trained and developed to someday be in another seat. But others shouldn&#39;t be on the bus at all. Be nice, but get them off that bus pronto!</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Breen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Breen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve discovered in the past and upon reflection as I move through some of this training that you have to pick your battles.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Toxic leadership is a pretty harsh term.  It&#039;s a good description but then, there are many good people who have leadership weaknesses who may feel toxic in a given situation, but basically, if you can figure out how to get their attention and appeal to their better judgment to change things, you have a chance of succeeding.  They&#039;re not unreasonable, their just either blind to their own weaknesses or are reacting to a fear of a loss of control.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a risk to challenge a leader to reconsider their approach to issues.  You can make the appeal and be misunderstood and then you&#039;re on the outside looking in.  A good leader &quot;should&quot; receive this type of input and even if they don&#039;t use it, they&#039;ll go out of their way to praise the person giving it and explain why they don&#039;t agree with it or can&#039;t use it.  Their goal will be to not cut off the communication and they&#039;ll know they don&#039;t know it all and need that kind of input.  A basically good leader with a blind spot will probably try in the long run to listen and learn something.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s those toxic type leaders however, that&#039;ll turn on you.  I learned a long time ago, even before I understand the academic models, that there&#039;s worse things than losing a job or moving on when you&#039;ve got nowhere else to go in a situation and you can&#039;t respect or move an organization forward anymore.  That&#039;s happened once in my life.  I wish I knew what I know now and had enough wisdom to have done it sooner in that situation.  It would have saved me and the organization a lot of pain.  They didn&#039;t change, didn&#039;t want to change and have gone on to chew up my successors in the same way they did me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve discovered in the past and upon reflection as I move through some of this training that you have to pick your battles.</p>
<p>Toxic leadership is a pretty harsh term.  It&#39;s a good description but then, there are many good people who have leadership weaknesses who may feel toxic in a given situation, but basically, if you can figure out how to get their attention and appeal to their better judgment to change things, you have a chance of succeeding.  They&#39;re not unreasonable, their just either blind to their own weaknesses or are reacting to a fear of a loss of control.</p>
<p>It&#39;s a risk to challenge a leader to reconsider their approach to issues.  You can make the appeal and be misunderstood and then you&#39;re on the outside looking in.  A good leader &quot;should&quot; receive this type of input and even if they don&#39;t use it, they&#39;ll go out of their way to praise the person giving it and explain why they don&#39;t agree with it or can&#39;t use it.  Their goal will be to not cut off the communication and they&#39;ll know they don&#39;t know it all and need that kind of input.  A basically good leader with a blind spot will probably try in the long run to listen and learn something.</p>
<p>There&#39;s those toxic type leaders however, that&#39;ll turn on you.  I learned a long time ago, even before I understand the academic models, that there&#39;s worse things than losing a job or moving on when you&#39;ve got nowhere else to go in a situation and you can&#39;t respect or move an organization forward anymore.  That&#39;s happened once in my life.  I wish I knew what I know now and had enough wisdom to have done it sooner in that situation.  It would have saved me and the organization a lot of pain.  They didn&#39;t change, didn&#39;t want to change and have gone on to chew up my successors in the same way they did me.</p>
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		<title>By: jsindorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsindorf</dc:creator>
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		<description>every industry has its idiots&lt;p&gt;
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either decide to incarnate Christ in the situation or find another place to serve</description>
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either decide to incarnate Christ in the situation or find another place to serve</p>
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