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	<title>Comments on: U.S. Senate Investigating Top Christian TV Ministries</title>
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		<title>By: nanny</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3541</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the non profit label is really a dangerous one when your dealing those massive amounts of money and relatively few people who are spending it and seem accountable to few or in some cases no one but themselves . It seems to me this might be a plus on the argument for a switch to for profit Christian TV. It would enhance the quality and appeal of Christian tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the non profit label is really a dangerous one when your dealing those massive amounts of money and relatively few people who are spending it and seem accountable to few or in some cases no one but themselves . It seems to me this might be a plus on the argument for a switch to for profit Christian TV. It would enhance the quality and appeal of Christian tv.</p>
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		<title>By: hotlanta crying</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3542</link>
		<dc:creator>hotlanta crying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is not good for anyone, especially the church.  The IRS has powers that go beyond what any other government branch has.  Plus, because all ministries mail non profit rates, they have the right to determine if you are --in their mind- a non profit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If they decide you are not, they can force a ministry to pay the difference in non profit and first class mail for all mail for years back.  Yes, it could bankrupt a ministry.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;These ministries are run like family businesses, and the perks to family will especially look bad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is indeed time to pray, not just for these ministries, but for all.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not good for anyone, especially the church.  The IRS has powers that go beyond what any other government branch has.  Plus, because all ministries mail non profit rates, they have the right to determine if you are &#8211;in their mind- a non profit.</p>
<p>If they decide you are not, they can force a ministry to pay the difference in non profit and first class mail for all mail for years back.  Yes, it could bankrupt a ministry.</p>
<p>These ministries are run like family businesses, and the perks to family will especially look bad.</p>
<p>It is indeed time to pray, not just for these ministries, but for all.  </p>
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		<title>By: Noel Miranda</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Miranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;What ever happened to Evangelism, “The Great Commission” the call to “PEOPLE”, churches have become so large with massive buildings along with the expense, strangling them with pressure and debt to raise more money in order to keep the monolith from sinking. Lets become for profit that is for “Souls”.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;</description>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What ever happened to Evangelism, “The Great Commission” the call to “PEOPLE”, churches have become so large with massive buildings along with the expense, strangling them with pressure and debt to raise more money in order to keep the monolith from sinking. Lets become for profit that is for “Souls”.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie I T Assih</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3544</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie I T Assih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The aim of game is to make sure that satan finds nothing of him in us (...because the chief of this godless world is about to attack. But don&#039;t worry - he has nothing on Me [Jesus], no claim on Me [Jesus].) And we are to be found in God (and your life is hidden with Christ in God.) Judgement always begins in the house of God. If there is something wrong there is still time to make corrections and put the house in order - God is merciful - but this is good for us, as it will break us away from complacency, laziness and deepen our faith/trust and relationship with the Lord where our life is. Outside of Christ Jesus in God we don&#039;t have a life and the sooner we realise this the sooner we lose our affections to the world and its ways and start doing things God&#039;s way. When we live the way the Lord has instructed us to live we won&#039;t fear these kind of things because we are living at a higher standard - beyond our human ability (strengths &amp; weaknesses/good &amp; bad combined). When we live God&#039;s way and we will be ready for every good work and be prepared for every battle of the enemy - even the ones brought on by men (though they are not the real enemy - and that is quite tough to believe considering what we do to ourselves!) &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aim of game is to make sure that satan finds nothing of him in us (&#8230;because the chief of this godless world is about to attack. But don&#39;t worry &#8211; he has nothing on Me [Jesus], no claim on Me [Jesus].) And we are to be found in God (and your life is hidden with Christ in God.) Judgement always begins in the house of God. If there is something wrong there is still time to make corrections and put the house in order &#8211; God is merciful &#8211; but this is good for us, as it will break us away from complacency, laziness and deepen our faith/trust and relationship with the Lord where our life is. Outside of Christ Jesus in God we don&#39;t have a life and the sooner we realise this the sooner we lose our affections to the world and its ways and start doing things God&#39;s way. When we live the way the Lord has instructed us to live we won&#39;t fear these kind of things because we are living at a higher standard &#8211; beyond our human ability (strengths &amp; weaknesses/good &amp; bad combined). When we live God&#39;s way and we will be ready for every good work and be prepared for every battle of the enemy &#8211; even the ones brought on by men (though they are not the real enemy &#8211; and that is quite tough to believe considering what we do to ourselves!) </p>
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		<title>By: Nanette</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3545</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;Many larger ministries utilize independent accounting firms for managing funds and assets. Hopefully they have drawn clear lines differentiating their personal &#039;business&#039; from ministry business. Notice the term business??  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;General points: (1) The search light from heaven is shining on the large ministry and the small ministry and Leslie is right..... make sure satan finds nothing of him in us. As much as we&#039;d like to attribute this to some other force, the bible tells us that judgment begins at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17-18).  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;I&#039;d like to share a saying that I heard many, many times as I was being groomed in the church, my pastor would say: &quot;the judgment of God will be fulfilled but they don&#039;t have to be fulfilled on you!&quot; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;(2) Whether the allegations are false or true, it is time to pray like never before. Who should we pray for ? Ourselves that we don&#039;t fall into temptation And men everywhere. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">Many larger ministries utilize independent accounting firms for managing funds and assets. Hopefully they have drawn clear lines differentiating their personal &#39;business&#39; from ministry business. Notice the term business??  </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">General points: (1) The search light from heaven is shining on the large ministry and the small ministry and Leslie is right&#8230;.. make sure satan finds nothing of him in us. As much as we&#39;d like to attribute this to some other force, the bible tells us that judgment begins at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17-18).  </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">I&#39;d like to share a saying that I heard many, many times as I was being groomed in the church, my pastor would say: &quot;the judgment of God will be fulfilled but they don&#39;t have to be fulfilled on you!&quot; </span>
<p>(2) Whether the allegations are false or true, it is time to pray like never before. Who should we pray for ? Ourselves that we don&#39;t fall into temptation And men everywhere. </p>
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		<title>By: island girl</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3546</link>
		<dc:creator>island girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, PHIL ...tell us what you think of this move...what the ministries should do ...what they will do ...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s election year...how will that impact this?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a Republican starting this ???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, PHIL &#8230;tell us what you think of this move&#8230;what the ministries should do &#8230;what they will do &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#39;s election year&#8230;how will that impact this?</p>
<p>It&#39;s a Republican starting this ???</p>
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		<title>By: nanny911</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny911</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianpost.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.christianpost.com&lt;/a&gt; has an article on it...Paula White and Joyce Meyer on among the six listed as &quot;prosperity gospel&quot; evangelists being probed..it was a watchdog group that asked the congressman to take action...I hadn&#039;t heard of the group..but I tend to agree that these groups need to become transparent, because from the outside it does seem like they are professional con artists scamming people out of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.christianpost.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianpost.com</a> has an article on it&#8230;Paula White and Joyce Meyer on among the six listed as &quot;prosperity gospel&quot; evangelists being probed..it was a watchdog group that asked the congressman to take action&#8230;I hadn&#39;t heard of the group..but I tend to agree that these groups need to become transparent, because from the outside it does seem like they are professional con artists scamming people out of money.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodCommentary</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>GoodCommentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For information &quot;from the horse&#039;s mouth&quot; check out the senator&#039;s site:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://grassley.senate.gov/public/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://grassley.senate.gov/public/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can view the actual pdf files of the letters that he sent out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is very intriguing.  I am not sure of how the jurisdiction / authority lines up for the senator, but as I understand it, if his &quot;committee&quot; backs him, then there is authority.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I find hard to imagine is the timeline in which these ministries have been requested to comply.  It is very aggressive.  Especially for some of them that have tremendous amounts of data to report.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This should really be an eye-opener - if the ORU lawsuit wasn&#039;t already.  So many of these mega - ministries appear to function in a manner that more resembles a kingdom than a ministry.  It does seem that there is so much secretive regarding their finances, that one might get the feeling that they don&#039;t understand accountability.  Sure they understand accounting!  LOL!  That isn&#039;t what this is about.  It is about accountability.  It IS very sad that our government needs to get involved at all.  But remember we are to run from even &quot;the appearance of evil&quot;.  Our mega-ministries really have not done that.  Most of them have been hiding things, not running from them.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We can do that ourselves, so we need to be careful how we judge.  Let&#039;s keep a balance here.  Search ourselves for things that we hide.  However, we also understand the principal that &quot;to whom much is given, much is required.&quot;  Hiding is exactly what Adam and Eve did.  They hid from God when they knew they had sinned.  If we can be truly transparent, then we have less to worry about.  It will be real interesting to see how these ministries handle this.  Will they fight it and keep trying to hide things, or will they make an honest effort to be transparent?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My guess is that not all 6 ministries will be afraid to show their books.  But I also believe that several have much to protect - much to hide.  I wish it were not so.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For information &quot;from the horse&#39;s mouth&quot; check out the senator&#39;s site:</p>
<p><a href="http://grassley.senate.gov/public/" rel="nofollow">http://grassley.senate.gov/public/</a></p>
<p>You can view the actual pdf files of the letters that he sent out.</p>
<p>It is very intriguing.  I am not sure of how the jurisdiction / authority lines up for the senator, but as I understand it, if his &quot;committee&quot; backs him, then there is authority.</p>
<p>What I find hard to imagine is the timeline in which these ministries have been requested to comply.  It is very aggressive.  Especially for some of them that have tremendous amounts of data to report.</p>
<p>This should really be an eye-opener &#8211; if the ORU lawsuit wasn&#39;t already.  So many of these mega &#8211; ministries appear to function in a manner that more resembles a kingdom than a ministry.  It does seem that there is so much secretive regarding their finances, that one might get the feeling that they don&#39;t understand accountability.  Sure they understand accounting!  LOL!  That isn&#39;t what this is about.  It is about accountability.  It IS very sad that our government needs to get involved at all.  But remember we are to run from even &quot;the appearance of evil&quot;.  Our mega-ministries really have not done that.  Most of them have been hiding things, not running from them.  </p>
<p>We can do that ourselves, so we need to be careful how we judge.  Let&#39;s keep a balance here.  Search ourselves for things that we hide.  However, we also understand the principal that &quot;to whom much is given, much is required.&quot;  Hiding is exactly what Adam and Eve did.  They hid from God when they knew they had sinned.  If we can be truly transparent, then we have less to worry about.  It will be real interesting to see how these ministries handle this.  Will they fight it and keep trying to hide things, or will they make an honest effort to be transparent?</p>
<p>My guess is that not all 6 ministries will be afraid to show their books.  But I also believe that several have much to protect &#8211; much to hide.  I wish it were not so.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodCommentary</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3549</link>
		<dc:creator>GoodCommentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL... We spoke basically the same thing... I am just way too verbose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230; We spoke basically the same thing&#8230; I am just way too verbose.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Smythe</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/irs_investigation/#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Smythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From reading many of the comments on the news sites and other Christian sites, it appears that many Christians have taken a myopic look at the nature of this investigation.  From news accounts, it appears that Ole Anthony of the Dallas-based Trinity Foundation went to Senator Grassley after he was dissatisfied with media attention.  Anthony is quoted as advocating &quot;reform&quot; of non-profit religious organizations.  &quot;Reform&quot; is another way of saying governmental intrusion or regulation.  While many Christians are applauding the investigation because of their disagreements with the theologies of the identified preachers, they don&#039;t realize that they are also hailing the demise of their own religious independence.  While corporate jets and Rolls Royces might not be my cup of tea, protection of a donor&#039;s freedom to give to such preachers who buy such things affirms protection for my own expressions of faith.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From reading many of the comments on the news sites and other Christian sites, it appears that many Christians have taken a myopic look at the nature of this investigation.  From news accounts, it appears that Ole Anthony of the Dallas-based Trinity Foundation went to Senator Grassley after he was dissatisfied with media attention.  Anthony is quoted as advocating &quot;reform&quot; of non-profit religious organizations.  &quot;Reform&quot; is another way of saying governmental intrusion or regulation.  While many Christians are applauding the investigation because of their disagreements with the theologies of the identified preachers, they don&#39;t realize that they are also hailing the demise of their own religious independence.  While corporate jets and Rolls Royces might not be my cup of tea, protection of a donor&#39;s freedom to give to such preachers who buy such things affirms protection for my own expressions of faith.  </p>
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