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	<title>Comments on: The Generational Transition We Face with Major Churches and Ministries</title>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/generational_change/#comment-4050</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, I feel like I&#039;ve just been back to school in an organizational leadership seminar.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Brilliant entry and so well said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only thing I can add is the need for organizations making the transition from founder to second generation leadership is the old addage, Success without a successor is failure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whatever the basis of selecting the next generation of leadership, whether it is a family member or a groomed and targetted associate, any organization, ministry related or otherwise, that doesn&#039;t put some thought and planning into this area is just asking for problems.  If a ministry organization is based upon the talents and gifts of a particular ministry personality and the successors gifts are different, then the organization is going to have to change to some degree based on those gifts.  You touched on some of this earlier with the mention that downsizing may be a legitimate option as opposed to debt.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not an issue of right or wrong.  It&#039;s recognizing the differences.  It&#039;s not just a spiritual issue.  There is plenty of room for prayer and faith and that is the first priority.  If an organization chooses not to adjust however in that type of change, it should at least be an informed faith with the board and leaders knowing what they are trusting God for.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I feel like I&#39;ve just been back to school in an organizational leadership seminar.</p>
<p>Brilliant entry and so well said.</p>
<p>The only thing I can add is the need for organizations making the transition from founder to second generation leadership is the old addage, Success without a successor is failure.</p>
<p>Whatever the basis of selecting the next generation of leadership, whether it is a family member or a groomed and targetted associate, any organization, ministry related or otherwise, that doesn&#39;t put some thought and planning into this area is just asking for problems.  If a ministry organization is based upon the talents and gifts of a particular ministry personality and the successors gifts are different, then the organization is going to have to change to some degree based on those gifts.  You touched on some of this earlier with the mention that downsizing may be a legitimate option as opposed to debt.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not an issue of right or wrong.  It&#39;s recognizing the differences.  It&#39;s not just a spiritual issue.  There is plenty of room for prayer and faith and that is the first priority.  If an organization chooses not to adjust however in that type of change, it should at least be an informed faith with the board and leaders knowing what they are trusting God for.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Smythe</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/generational_change/#comment-4051</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Smythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One transition that I haven&#039;t seen discussed is that of paid-content vs. free-content.  Oral Roberts and the rest of the &quot;first generational&quot; ministers preached the Gospel without charge and often continued meetings just to meet their expenses. Later, along with the rise of the &quot;seed-faith&quot; teaching, came the influx of mass-produced teaching tapes, videos, etc. that has fomented the rise of ministry-as-corporation with corporate-like payrolls.  The advent of the You Tubes, podcasts, etc. are sure to rock the economics of the corporate ministry model because the internet generation doesn&#039;t expect to have to pay for content (why buy a teaching series when I&#039;m already subscribed on iTunes?).  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One transition that I haven&#39;t seen discussed is that of paid-content vs. free-content.  Oral Roberts and the rest of the &quot;first generational&quot; ministers preached the Gospel without charge and often continued meetings just to meet their expenses. Later, along with the rise of the &quot;seed-faith&quot; teaching, came the influx of mass-produced teaching tapes, videos, etc. that has fomented the rise of ministry-as-corporation with corporate-like payrolls.  The advent of the You Tubes, podcasts, etc. are sure to rock the economics of the corporate ministry model because the internet generation doesn&#39;t expect to have to pay for content (why buy a teaching series when I&#39;m already subscribed on iTunes?).  </p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Peterson</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/generational_change/#comment-4052</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Today, seven major studios have faith-based film divisions&quot; - I assume Fox Faith is one; what are the other six?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Today, seven major studios have faith-based film divisions&quot; &#8211; I assume Fox Faith is one; what are the other six?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Busch</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/generational_change/#comment-4053</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Busch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You touched on it Phil, but the bigger force at work is the cultural shift in all of Western society as we move from the idealistic generation spawned in the sixties into a more civic generation whose tipping point was probably 2003.  If you think of a generation as a time period of about 40 years rather than your group of birth cohorts, then perhaps we are entering into an increasing disruption in societal norms much like the late sixties and early seventies.  Some churches fought television and its evil influence.  Others saw the power of the medium and used it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With the changes businesses and nonprofits will find that what worked for years is no longer working.  The bright and nimble will move not just to new media, but to new strategies, tactics and messaging.  Others will be overtaken by the creeping ice of irrelevancy as the glacier of a new generation once again proves unstoppable.  Then in about 2043 the process will reverse as those still here see a shift back into an idealistic generation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The civic generational cycle spawns a culture that places more value on authenticity, relevance, and action.  Motives for support will likely change from giving to get into giving to those who are really making a social and spiritual impact.  These values have already been birthed in the emerging generation.  They will teach us all if we will listen. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Excellent post, Phil. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You touched on it Phil, but the bigger force at work is the cultural shift in all of Western society as we move from the idealistic generation spawned in the sixties into a more civic generation whose tipping point was probably 2003.  If you think of a generation as a time period of about 40 years rather than your group of birth cohorts, then perhaps we are entering into an increasing disruption in societal norms much like the late sixties and early seventies.  Some churches fought television and its evil influence.  Others saw the power of the medium and used it.</p>
<p>With the changes businesses and nonprofits will find that what worked for years is no longer working.  The bright and nimble will move not just to new media, but to new strategies, tactics and messaging.  Others will be overtaken by the creeping ice of irrelevancy as the glacier of a new generation once again proves unstoppable.  Then in about 2043 the process will reverse as those still here see a shift back into an idealistic generation.</p>
<p>The civic generational cycle spawns a culture that places more value on authenticity, relevance, and action.  Motives for support will likely change from giving to get into giving to those who are really making a social and spiritual impact.  These values have already been birthed in the emerging generation.  They will teach us all if we will listen. </p>
<p>Excellent post, Phil. </p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the media is the message to some extent and today&#039;s ministries rose not only on the personality of the first generation leader but also the extension of the Television medium which casts so much as &quot;larger than life&quot; not only is the question one of leadership transition but also to a great extent the waning of the medium in relative importance to new forms of technology.  Second generation leadership may have to adjust leadership style needs but at the same time, there may still be a lot of pioneering and innovation in these new mediums to maintain effective outreach or waning impact can become somewhat inevitible. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It might be easy to get confused by attempting to look at it in one light without factoring in that element as well.  What others are there as well?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Phil, you and Chris are really opening my eyes in this field to a lot of things.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the media is the message to some extent and today&#39;s ministries rose not only on the personality of the first generation leader but also the extension of the Television medium which casts so much as &quot;larger than life&quot; not only is the question one of leadership transition but also to a great extent the waning of the medium in relative importance to new forms of technology.  Second generation leadership may have to adjust leadership style needs but at the same time, there may still be a lot of pioneering and innovation in these new mediums to maintain effective outreach or waning impact can become somewhat inevitible. </p>
<p>It might be easy to get confused by attempting to look at it in one light without factoring in that element as well.  What others are there as well?</p>
<p>Phil, you and Chris are really opening my eyes in this field to a lot of things.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: AmeriKan, aka Phil</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/generational_change/#comment-4055</link>
		<dc:creator>AmeriKan, aka Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, sounds more like three points and a poem. :-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Charismatic personalities have been iconic from the beginning of time...Abraham and David to Martin Luther and John Huss to the Wesleys and Charles Finney.  Much as some might desire, the &quot;personality&quot; of a leader is never going away.  We are programmed that way by our Creator.  The search and wait for the Messiah with His ultimate arrival, leads man on this eternal quest of &quot;creating leaders.&quot;  Will their rewards be any greater(?)...doubtful...we just need mentors and role models to show others it can be done.  Then there are the originators, creators and inventors who are innately inspired and can do it all &quot;on their own.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;Second generation leaders&quot;...their style...could be due to continued over-exposure to sex and violence, consequently accepting what the first generation saw as blatant sin.  Like some in the political arena they are more inclined to discussion than action.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, sounds more like three points and a poem. :-)</p>
<p>Charismatic personalities have been iconic from the beginning of time&#8230;Abraham and David to Martin Luther and John Huss to the Wesleys and Charles Finney.  Much as some might desire, the &quot;personality&quot; of a leader is never going away.  We are programmed that way by our Creator.  The search and wait for the Messiah with His ultimate arrival, leads man on this eternal quest of &quot;creating leaders.&quot;  Will their rewards be any greater(?)&#8230;doubtful&#8230;we just need mentors and role models to show others it can be done.  Then there are the originators, creators and inventors who are innately inspired and can do it all &quot;on their own.&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;Second generation leaders&quot;&#8230;their style&#8230;could be due to continued over-exposure to sex and violence, consequently accepting what the first generation saw as blatant sin.  Like some in the political arena they are more inclined to discussion than action.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thought but I doubt it.  Remember, the &quot;first generation&quot; leaders were considered liberal by the generation that preceded them.  The Lincoln-Douglas presidential debates often lasted most of the day, and the sermons of pastors like Jonathan Edwards would sometimes go on for hours.  None of the first generation guys held up like that.  I just think leadership style changes with changes in culture, technology, politics, and the times.  Not that one is better or worse, (they all have issues) but we need to understand how they work to make our organizations more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thought but I doubt it.  Remember, the &quot;first generation&quot; leaders were considered liberal by the generation that preceded them.  The Lincoln-Douglas presidential debates often lasted most of the day, and the sermons of pastors like Jonathan Edwards would sometimes go on for hours.  None of the first generation guys held up like that.  I just think leadership style changes with changes in culture, technology, politics, and the times.  Not that one is better or worse, (they all have issues) but we need to understand how they work to make our organizations more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Scudder</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/generational_change/#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Scudder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oral Roberts and other first generation guys did charge. Oral invented the &quot;seed&quot; faith giving and I saw WT Grant tell people he would not pray for them unless they gave $25.00. That was in the 50&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oral Roberts and other first generation guys did charge. Oral invented the &quot;seed&quot; faith giving and I saw WT Grant tell people he would not pray for them unless they gave $25.00. That was in the 50&#39;s</p>
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