Why I’m Recommending Christians See the Movie “Noah”

You’ve probably heard the controversy about the upcoming Paramount Pictures movie “Noah.” In the last few weeks, I’ve seen numerous blogs, social media posts, and commentaries on the movie – usually criticizing it and detailing how far it strays from an accurate Biblical portrayal.  But as of this writing I’m one of only a handful of people who’ve actually seen the movie. Which is probably why I’m a bit bothered at the condemnations and protests from Christians who have never actually watched it. That’s why I felt compelled to write this post. Is the story an exact Biblical representation? No. For one thing, the Noah story in the Bible is remarkably short. We don’t know what happened inside the ark during the voyage. We don’t know what Noah was thinking. We don’t know the family dynamic. So the filmmakers added to the story. And honestly, there are “extra-Biblical” elements in the film. These are things that don’t line up with the Biblical account at all. If I had directed the film, I wouldn’t have added them, but this isn’t my film.

Last week, at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Nashville, three people who have seen it – NRB President Dr. Jerry Johnson, John Snowden, who was the Biblical advisor on the film, and myself (as an NRB board member) showed never before seen clips from the movie and led a discussion with hundreds of NRB members. This is Dr. Johnson’s response, and here’s John’s take. And from my perspective, in spite of non-Biblical elements in the film, and obvious reasons of concern for Christians, in a capsule form, here’s why I think Christians need to see the movie:

1. I’ve been on the set.  I’ve talked to the Chairman of the Studio, as well as the producer, director, set designer, and even the star – Russell Crowe. Not once did I ever get the feeling they were anything but serious. They didn’t mock the story, went to great lengths to get the ark built to exact Biblical measurements, and did an amazing amount of research.  In fact, writer Ari Handel and director Darren Aronofsky have been working on this script for 16 years.

2. This week, Dr. Jerry Johnson, president of the National Religious Broadcasters made an appeal to Paramount Studios to use a disclaimer on the film.  He suggested that (like Dreamworks did in “Prince of Egypt“) they add a disclaimer to say that this was INSPIRED by the Bible story rather than a film of the story itself. Paramount agreed with the idea without hesitation (I was on the phone calls), and here is their joint announcement. While it was too late to add it to the film, they readily agreed to add the disclaimer to the movie posters, website, digital promotions, as well as all radio and TV commercials that haven’t already been distributed. This tells me that Paramount values the Christian audience and wants to work with us.

3)  It’s an epic film.  I’ve always wondered about the places where the Biblical account of Noah was silent.  In this version, the filmmakers made Noah a complex character, and helped me see possibilities I’d never considered for how details in the story could have happened.  This isn’t the Sunday School sanitized version of the story, and for that I’m grateful.  After the screening, I thought of novelist Flannery O’Connor - one of my favorite writers.  Although she died in 1964, the movie’s unabashed look at sinful, grotesque humanity, and the extraordinary saving grace of God reminded me of how she might have looked at the story.

4. For at least a decade, we’ve been asking Hollywood to produce movies based on the Bible.  Now that they’re doing it, let’s be more encouraging.  So far, they’ve proven to be serious in the effort, whether they miss the target or not.  So let’s support it, not stifle it.

5. Our expectations may be unrealistic.  Paramount Pictures is a business – a secular film studio.  Should we really expect every Bible based film to be 100% accurate? I’m thrilled that Mark Burnett’s “Son of God” is much closer to the text. But to assume every movie out of the chute will be as accurate, is simply not realistic.

6. Whatever extra-Biblical elements there are in the film, that doesn’t overcome the fact that Paramount Studios is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and promote a Bible story.  This will be a national conversation that millions will participate in, and Noah will be water cooler conversation for the next 6 months. What an opportunity for the Christian community! Instead of condemning it outright, let’s join the conversation. Rarely does an event come along that begs us to present our side of the story. But if we don’t see the movie, we’ll be wasting the opportunity.

7. This is a powerful opportunity to share our faith.  If you’ve felt awkward witnessing to a friend or co-worker, then what could be easier than taking them to a movie? Then go out and discuss what the Bible really says about the story.

8) It’s only a movie.  As pollster George Barna remarked after Mel Gibson’s blockbuster “Passion of the Christ“: “Less than one-tenth of one percent of those who saw the film stated that they made a profession of faith or accepted Jesus Christ as their savior in reaction to the film’s content.” That was the biggest religious film of all time, and yet it didn’t spark a revival. Likewise, chances are a movie about Noah that deviates from the scripture won’t drive Christians away from the faith.

9) Do we as a Christian community really need to “protect” ourselves from a movie that isn’t 100% Biblically accurate?  Would the Apostle Paul have run from the challenge? Rather than withdrawing from the discussion, I suggest that we seize the moment, turn the tables, and use this to our advantage. Pastors should be preaching messages on the Noah story. Let’s use the film to share our faith with friends and co-workers. Like the Old Testament’s Joseph, who rose to remarkable heights in an alien and hostile culture, let’s not shy away from these opportunities, rather, let’s use them to demonstrate the power of God’s Word.

Finally - remember that there are hundreds of serious, dedicated Christians working in the entertainment industry every day.  These are professionals who – like Joseph – are working from the inside. When we launch attacks, petition drives, or boycotts, we’re damaging their ability to make change happen. As the Hollywood Prayer Network recommends, instead of making Hollywood the enemy, let’s consider Hollywood a mission field.

Perhaps we need to ask ourselves:  When was the last time we prayed for a Christian professional (a “media missionary”) trying to make difference in Hollywood – the most influential place on earth?

Maybe it’s time to start.

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  • Chad Brokaw

    Great post, Phil. It’s frustrating that people don’t consider your points before blindly agreeing with what others do/say.

  • http://billgrandi.com/ Bill (cycleguy)

    I. CAN’T. WAIT. FOR. THE. MOVIE. TO. COME. OUT. I want to be one of the first to see it. I understand poetic license and films have to do that to some degree. Plus, Russell Crowe is one of my favorite actors. My wife and I will be there to see it. I will see it before I see the other one.

  • joesindorf

    Once upon a time, John said to Jesus: “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he wasn’t one of us.” Jesus wasn’t nearly as concerned as John was and replied: “Don’t stop him, if he’s doing this work in my name he won’t speak evil of me. For he who is not against us is for us.”

    I don’t think the producers, writers, actors and director of Noah are doing this to act against God. So, go watch the movie (hopefully on opening weekend) and speak well of God to your friends who also see it.

    Good post, Phil.

    • Matthew Aaron Pickart

      Well said Joe!

      Ps…. this picture reminds me of your long locks. ;^)

  • Fred Applegate

    Go see it and be ready to discuss what the story of Noah MEANS in the Christian tradition. Of course, the movie won’t be accurate: who expects it to be? But then, there is a faction in the church who would rather accuse than teach, and this movie will be a problem for them. (Everything is a problem for them.) But the question is: do you want Bible stories to be made into major, big budget movies to expose people to the Word? Or not? See the movie: it’s a chance to discuss the Bible with people who don’t read it. What greater opportunity to evangelize can their be?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Great comment Fred. Maybe better than my actual post… :-)

  • RWinter195

    i too cannot wait to see the film. Darren is an artist who is willing to contribute to the discussion. Here is a great opportunity for us to engage in the marketplace.

  • Maryjo Petersen Castro

    This is one of your best posts Phil. Sometimes people just don’t see the bigger picture because they’re so focused on all the “faults” of a film or project. I applaud Hollywood for doing this film regardless of any inaccuracies. I see more positive than negative coming from this. Perhaps only those who like to engage in conversations can appreciate these kinds of opportunities handed to them. Thanks Hollywood, I can’t wait to see the movie.

  • Matthew Aaron Pickart

    Lets face it. It is always bothersome when people and especially Christians are quick to judge. We end up pushing people away before we even get to know them and it seams to me that we are doing the same thing here.

    Almost no one has seen the film so how can we judge. So why are we? If anything we should be overjoyed that more biblical stories are being produced. It is more beneficial to us to watch the film than to boycott it. As DeVon Franklin Vice President of Columbia Pictures said, “We need to cast our ballot”. We need to let filmmakers know that we want more faith based films. So instead of boycotting something we haven’t seen…. let us instead pipe up about what we like and didn’t like about the movie after we’ve seen it. Then filmmakers will understand more of what we want and better content will be created.

    Like you said Phil, let’s make it easier for Christians to influence the industry rather than make it harder.

  • Van Payne

    Thanks, Phil, for a well-reasoned analysis. I found the link to John Snowden’s response in the second paragraph particularly helpful and commend it to other readers.

    It seems so much of the storm that’s been brewing around this film the last few weeks has been a deluge not of water but of fear. God does not give us a spirit of fear.

    I pray believers overcome the urge to judge when there will be opportunities to join conversations and engage communities we might never have had before.

    I plan to be there opening weekend.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I agree Van. John’s perspective was worth reading for sure…

  • Matthew Koppin

    The involvement of Hollywood in Bible-Epics and Faith-Based film for the next 10 years will be decided on the success or failure of this film.

    Its a no-brainer. Take it with a grain of salt and enjoy the fantastical creativity of one of the most prolific directors of our generation. Its a win-win for movie lovers and believers alike.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Very true Matt. Since this is so controversial, Hollywood will take a lot of cues from this…

      • http://connect.me/users/dawnnicolebaldwin Dawn Nicole Baldwin

        And that’s the point. If Christians want Hollywood to make more (and more informed) biblically-based movies, will they be more or less inclined to do so if shunned by Christians? Why not go back to doing what they were before? At least there’s less pickets, protests & hassles, right?

        People–please try to see the bigger picture.

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  • JimandCathleen

    Admittedy I am speed reading this, but THE criticism I have heard is that rather than the primary message of sin and salvation offered by God which is the primary point of the biblical narrative, this film promotes a message more along from the (radical?) environmental movement. Is that addressed here ?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      What??? Speed-reading my blog? Shame… :-)
      Actually the environmental message isn’t an “either/or” thing with sin and salvation. Both are in and while the environmental message is there, it’s not a radical thing.

  • Brooke Lorren

    I’m not concerned about the extra-biblical elements. There is a lot that we don’t know about the Noah story, in fact. I personally believe that time before the flood could have been a time much like ours… with advanced technology and all. What I am concerned about is the overpopulation/environmentalist propaganda. Perhaps it’s not as bad as people have made it out to be. I do plan on seeing it, because the scenes that I have seen look great. However, if the propaganda is as bad as everybody is saying it is, I will only see it once.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Great points Brooke – but I don’t think it’s nearly as extreme as a lot of critics have made it out to be. Much of that came from a earlier draft of the script.

      • something to consider

        I was at the NRB for the screening and discussion of three different clips of the film. As with many things, people have different perspectives and Romans 14, as well as other passages of scripture, tell us that we have to be true to our own convictions and not to violate our consciences or participate in doubtful activities that we can’t do in faith. On that basis, each of us has to listen to the Holy Spirit as He speaks to us through his word individually about whether or not to see this, or any other movie. Beyond that, I don’t understand why the Christian community is asking Hollywood to produce films about the Bible when they are not enlightened by the Holy Spirit to discern things that unbelievers can’t understand. It is our job as Christians to explain truth to them, and to the non believing world, not vice versa. The danger I see in mixing biblical truth with fiction is that some will more easily classify it all as fiction. The book of revelation also warns against adding to or taking away from God’s word and I for one would be fearful of mixing the profane with what is holy. We should always seek ways to reach out to the lost in every walk of life, but not at the risk of compromising truth, or watering it down for the sake of “fellowship”. But that is my perspective.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Thanks for posting that perspective.

  • http://my168project.com/ Matches Malone

    My only problem with this film is, I’m not in it ;)

    Thanks for the insight, Phil. See you soon.

  • beartooth777

    What about the Christians that DID see the movie and had significant criticisms? Why dismiss them and act like you alone know the truth? Are you looking for something to make the bible more interesting? to fill in your blanks? Why not disclose that the advisor was paid and has conflicts and bias? Why this rah rah?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Can you tell me who those critics who have actually pre-screened the film are?
      Every advisor is paid on a film, so that’s normal for someone in John’s role. But neither Dr. Jerry Johnson or I have been paid or have any affiliation with Paramount.
      Finally – This isn’t “rah-rah” for the film – since many people won’t like it (just like most movies.)
      My problem is people who criticize, do petition drives, or boycott without seeing the film. That’s the issue here…

      • beartooth777

        Further, THR spoke with several people who saw an early test screening in Southern California’s Orange County and who identified themselves as religious. One viewer, who declined to give his name because Paramount required him to sign a nondisclosure agreement, echoed the sentiments of others by criticizing the depiction of Noah as a “crazy, irrational, religious nut” who is fixated on modern-day problems like overpopulation and environmental degradation.

        • Jonathan Bock

          Beartooth – I can’t answer for the anonymous person, but I have seen the film about fifteen times in numerous iterations. There are absolutely no themes of overpopulation. And while there is degradation to creation, that is a visual illustration of the evil of man who has turned his back on the Creator. Why would they respect His creation? But as far as there being recycle bins on the ark or some overriding message of environmentalism, that too is not there. Hope that helps.

      • beartooth777

        how can people come forward when they are forced to sign non disclosure agreements? are you arguing there are NO people who saw the film that have criticisms??

      • beartooth777

        what about Comfort? – “Comfort doesn’t agree. “They have no qualms about sensationalizing the story of Noah in order to make it more profitable,” he says. “That’s their bottom line. But the movie strays so far from the biblical account that it omits its essential message – God’s judgment for man’s sin and evil.”

        • Jonathan Bock

          Ray Comfort has not seen NOAH. This I can assure you. And while this film doesn’t remove the core message of the Biblical story of Noah – God’s judgement for man’s sin and evil – we Christians do that all the time in how we tell the story of Noah to our children. We make it a happyrainbowanimal story.

  • Neil Elliott

    May there be many more films of this nature on our screens today. What a great opportunity it offers to start the conversations that will lead people to Christ. Thanks Paramount.

  • Brian Godawa

    Excellent Challenges, Phil. I agree with your principles. Those who are obsessed with “getting details right” like who closes the door on the Ark etc. continue to miss the bigger point. I have fantasy elements in my novel Noah Primeval , and make a lot of it up because quite frankly, we know more about the Flood than about Noah’s life.

    The important points surround the worldview and meaning of the story. I read the early script, but I am hopeful that the environmentalist agenda that Aronofsky had even admitted has been pulled back. We’ll see. It is encouraging that they have listened to some of you Christian advisors.

    Interestingly, there is so much more to the Flood than many realize, so, with your blessing, I am offering Noah Facts on my blog that will educate people, not about the movie, but about the book .

    Also, since my blog critiquing the script went viral, I will be writing about my reactions to the movie when it comes out both what I like and don’t like. A lot can change from script to screen.

    • Meg

      What I find intriguing here is your comment ‘Those who are obsessed with “getting details right” like who closes the door on the Ark etc. continue to miss the bigger point.’ and ‘we know more about the Flood than about Noah’s life. The important points surround the worldview and meaning of the story.’

      It does all come back to worldview, including “God view”. If He is the author of the Genesis record of Noah and the flood, then the details that He has chosen to include in an account that is not given in great detail – must be considered to be of some significant importance.
      And it is all part of the much bigger picture. Why one ark? Why one door? Why was God Himself the One to shut that door?
      Does it fit with the entire bigger picture of salvation from God’s judgment, through the one way, one door, one provision of the Lord Jesus Christ?
      In your mind do these things have anything to do with the worldview and meaning of the story?
      Just wondering…

  • http://www.philweingart.net/ Phil Weingart

    Good stuff.

    Sometimes when a person insists that things be “biblical,” what they’re insisting is that repetitions of the story say only what the words of the biblical account say, adding nothing about possible motives, surrounding culture, the character of the individuals involved, or any of the other details that make a story live. That treatment leaves the story flat and meaningless, and invites the audience to overlay the story with their own cultural meanings and expectations. That’s practically an invitation to misinterpret.

    The best bible teachers I’ve known stay aware of the possible human weaknesses and motivations that are implied but unstated in the biblical accounts, and can bring the story to life with plausible interpretations. Good script-writers do this as well.

  • Jeremy Wiles

    Mr. Cooke, this is more than just a story for me. I grew up with a deep intrigue of Noah and the ark. When I graduated college, I set off to eastern Turkey to follow my childhood dream to search for Noah’s ark. Over the past decade, I’ve been on five expeditions to search for Noah’s ark on Mt. Ararat and through eastern Turkey. I’ve traveled through 40 other countries documenting global flood stories in different tribes and cultures around the world. I’ve spent more time thinking about Noah and the story of the flood than perhaps most would in several life times. I’m 34 years old.

    I’m not saying this qualifies me anymore to judge the story of the flood more than anyone else who’s read the Genesis story. But, I can tell you Noah was far from how Russell Crowe describes him. Russell Crowe says of his character Noah, “he’s not benevolent. He’s not even nice!” But, God called Noah a “preacher of righteousness”. What does this imply? Noah cared for the people, their well being and had compassion for them. How can you be a preacher of righteousness and have no compassion? Characterizing Noah as a mean, selfish person distorts who God said Noah was.

    This is hugely important because how Noah is characterized reflects God, since he and his family were the chosen survivors of the flood. He was a kind man, compassionate, loving and comforting to humanity. He came from a line of 10 generations from Adam and was given his name Noah, which means “comfort”. He comforted the people of his day by being a witness to God’s love, but the people rejected his message. It was because of Noah’s obedience that generations later we would receive the true ark of salvation in Jesus Christ. Can you honestly say the movie presents Noah anywhere close to who God say Noah was, “a preacher of righteousness”?

    The last movie Aronofsky made was filled with lesbian sex scenes. And we think he’s going to get it right with a biblical story? The Church is not that gullible.

    You said, “For at least a decade, we’ve been asking Hollywood to produce movies based on the Bible… So let’s support it, not stifle it.” Who’s been asking Hollywood to make movies based on the Bible? The Bible was given to us to share light with a dark world. How can darkness share light? It makes no sense. It’s the responsibility of the Church to produce these movies, not Hollywood.

    I have talked with others who’ve seen screenings of the film and they do not share your opinions. The only difference is they haven’t received the same special invitations you’ve received to go on set or to be convinced by the movie director, producer and actors that the film has good intentions. Instead, they only watched the movie. They viewed the outcome of their work, which portrayed Noah as an environmentalist who didn’t care about the people. They’ve explained to fellow believers that according to the movie, God’s reason for the flood was because humanity was treating the earth badly. This is Hollywood at their best: distorting a Biblical story for purpose of their political agenda.

    The courageous thing to do is to defend God’s word. Stand for the integrity of scripture. Don’t be deceived by the enemies strategy to mix a little truth with a basket full of lies.

    You see, Noah is more than just a biblical character to me. He’s my great, great, great… grandfather. It’s a family thing. And I suspect if someone is talking trash about your family, you’d defend them as well. So, take this opportunity to defend Noah, warn the Church and sit this movie out. After all, you wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for Noah’s obedience to build the ark. You owe him this one.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I’d love it if the church were making better movies Jeremy… :-)
      I also 100% support your right not to agree with this version of the story or see it for that matter. I don’t agree with parts of it either. But there’s no “political” agenda here, and more important, millions will be watching it and asking questions about it. We can live in a bubble, or like Joseph in Egypt, engage the surrounding culture. I watched the film because I want to know how to best discuss it with my friends.
      Thanks for posting!

      • Jeremy Wiles

        Yes, millions will watch it. Many of them will be unbelievers. Their worldview of the biblical story will be formed based on what the movie tells them. Very few of them will continue discussion once they leave the theater. The movie will solidify their opinion of Noah and the flood event. Most will leave with the impression that Noah was a mean, selfish man who cared only about his survival. That is a disgrace to how God described Noah as a “preacher of righteousness”. My guess is not a single scene in the movie will show Noah preaching righteousness. Am I wrong?

    • Simon Dillon

      “The last movie Aronofsky made was filled with lesbian sex scenes.” – as far as I’m concerned, that makes him all the more qualified – he won’t make the film a preachy, “wholesome”, watered down bore.

  • maryhutchinson

    We as Christians have earned the rap of just plain being mean. I’ll go see it for what it is, a movie. I hope it opens doors for me to share my faith.

  • Suzanne Niles

    Speak the truth in love. That is a biblical principle. I will be seeing this movie because if I comment on it without seeing it, that is not truth. It is simply jumping on a bandwagon with ignorance to the facts, with nothing of truth to back up an observation. This IS an opportunity to share what we know to be the irrefutable word of God. To share how and why this story affects our faith. Paramount has started a conversation, opened a door for us to tell and speak the truth in love. To me, it would be foolish to not take advantage of using the truth or the fantasy of this film to speak what we know to biblically correct, and most importantly, share the love of Jesus Christ and the faithfulness of God. Isn’t that what we are called to do on a daily basis anyway? We as Christians are so quick to judge, so quick to criticize. That is a waste of time and time is short. Get out there and as William Booth, founder of The Salvation Army said, “use any means necessary” to reach others for Christ!

  • Kerry Prochaska

    I can say that I was positively inspired, as a very skeptical non-believer, by the TV miniseries, Jesus of Nazareth, by the gay Italian director Franco Zeffirelli around 1979 or 1980. I liked the story so much and it caused such an interest in Jesus that I started to read the New Testament. It was years (15) before I truly came to faith but I can look back and understand that that ‘Jesus of Nazareth’ was one of the seeds that the Lord used to bring me to faith. I can also look to such films as ‘The Robe’, ‘Ben Hur’, ‘Thomas à Becket’, ‘A Man For All Seasons’, as well as other movies taken from the Bible or about men and women of faith as seeds along the way. So if the Noah film leads someone to want to know more about God then so be it. I will watch it out curiosity and not for edification.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Very well put Kerry. Thanks for posting!

  • http://connect.me/users/dawnnicolebaldwin Dawn Nicole Baldwin

    I’m looking forward to seeing it. And I can’t understand why Christians would criticize the film before it even launches–especially with some of the films that are currently being produced.

    Any step in this direction is better than nothing. I’m also encouraged about the quality of actors that signed on for the film & the obvious investment they’re making to produce something worth watching.

  • http://tompawlikauthor.blogspot.com/2014/02/bureaucratopia-slightly-twisted.html Tom Pawlik

    Thanks for your insight here. I’m looking forward to seeing this movie. Unfortunately, some Christians measure holiness by how well they can criticize. Perhaps they confuse aloofness (?) with piety.

  • Elixe

    Phil Cooke, does the review of the screenplay I posted below accurately describe the movie? If not in which areas do they deviate and can you explain how?

    http://godawa.com/movieblog/darren-aronofskys-noah-environmentalist-wacko/

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Brian’s a friend and has commented on this post below. I would encourage you to check it out and with him directly. That post is two years old, and movies go through multiple versions of a script. I don’t think you’ll find it’s the same movie.

      • Jeremy Wiles

        The final version was the directors cut. And here’s what the director said about his movie: “It’s about environmental apocalypse which is the biggest theme, for me, right now for what’s going on on this planet. So I think it’s got these big, big themes that connect with us. Noah was the first environmentalist.” – Darren Aronofsky

      • Elixe

        Thank you, I did see his post unfortunately he mentioned that he will not be able to see it until it comes out. I do find it comforting that it is not the same movie as the script he reviewed.

        The main points I am concerned about does God want Noah to kill his grandchild in the movie and what is God’s reason for flooding the Earth?

  • http://stevesimms.wordpress.com/ Steve Simms

    I’m going. Thanks for all the good reasons!

  • Josh Reid

    Things which concern me are:

    1. Pastors love to use any old ‘not-particularly-christian film’ as a sermon illustration, but yet we have ‘Christians’ actively criticizing an overtly biblical story made into a Hollywood blockbuster?

    2. Jesus said, “Whoever is not against us is for us.” Mark 9:38 – 41
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A38-41&version=NIV

    So, what’s the problem here really? Jesus said it dude!

    3. Christians are prevalent when it comes to spreading unsubstantiated rumors, both via the Internet and prior to it. Pastors spread them from the pulpit, they are discussed at length at bible study group, they are written about in blogs and tweeted around the globe. But what they never are is checked at the source.

    4. As Christians let us engage with the media, instead of being afraid of it. (Criticizing a film you’ve never seen is a sign that you are afraid of it, just like a child is afraid of the unknown boogeyman.) Phil’s #6 & # 7 are spot on – use this as a conversation starter… unless you disagree with friendship evangelism that is.

    5. If we are going to be concerned about the theology in Hollywood films, then we should be more concerned with films like The Matrix, which appear to be a Christian metaphor, but are rather more akin to a Gnostic Gospel.

    6. This one overrides them all: My mom became a Christian through listening to Elvis Presley sing gospel songs. If that can do it for her, then how much more can ‘Noah’ a bible story on the big screen do it?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Josh – your #6 reminds me of Luke 19:40:
      He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.”

      • Josh Reid

        Perhaps another reason for Christians to become integrated professionals in Hollywood… have we been silent too long?

        • Jeni

          I know LOTS of Christians who are actively integrated professionals in the film and theatre industry, and I am one of them. Why do so many people assume that we can’t have an influence on the “secular” world from the inside out? Something about “in the world but not of the world”, right?

          • Josh Reid

            Exactly right! We need many more people like yourself.
            Reminds me of Old Testament Daniel who was very much immersed in the ‘secular’ world, but stuck to his faith. He was even re-named after the king of Babylon’s own god (Daniel 4:8). In fact it was his faith which ultimately brought him tremendous success in the secular world.

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  • Joseph

    These are the most pathetic reasons to watch a movie loosely based on the Bible that I ever have heard. To suggest that you received new and exciting insights about the character of Noah from this movie leads to the inevitable conclusion that you are ignorant of the work of the Holy Spirit in leading us to the way of all truth. I will pray for you while discouraging Christians I know from seeing a movie made by folks who care nothing for leading people to Christ, and seek only to merchandise God’s people. You have obviously sipped their Kool-aide.

    • Jon

      Wow Joseph, judgmental much? Can you really claim that all the folks who were part of this movie “care nothing for leading people to Christ”? Do you know each of them personally? He wrote his opinion on the movie, and you call him “ignorant” and “sipped their Kool-aide” which is somehow an “inevitable conclusion”. Disunity, reactive thinking, and passing judgment like this is what’s been causing disunity in Christian communities and subsequently- driving non-Christians away from Jesus for centuries.

      • http://billgrandi.com/ Bill (cycleguy)

        Gotta agree with you on this Jon.

  • nanmilbrim

    Hey Phil! I hadn’t planned on seeing this due to having see other “Biblical” films that were hardly recognizable as such. The wife of a mutual friend of ours sent your review to me so I do believe I’ll go see it! Thanks for sharing!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      You may not like it, but at least you’ll be able to discuss with with friends and others who ask. Let me know what you think…

      • nanmilbrim

        You know I will. :). How does this compare to “Son of God”?

  • Jeff Stormer

    Excellent points about the movie and many good thoughts in the comments too. A couple of things jump to mind:

    While I wholeheartedly believe the Word is worth defending (hence the field of apologetics), I am also fairly certain God really doesn’t “need” our help defending Him or His Word. (see https://bible.org/illustration/anvil).

    And I seem to recall some guy named Paul said something like: “I am all things to all men so that by all means, some may be saved.” Or to paraphrase Stephen Hopkins, is this film so dangerous it can’t be *talked* about? Somehow I don’t think so.

    I’m looking forward to both the film and the doors of opportunity it may open, just like “The Passion” and even the totally fictitious “DaVinci Code.” That didn’t have any solid Biblical roots and there were all kinds of doors opened. I pray that I will be ready with an explanation of the Hope I have when those questions come.

  • Sue henry

    The Ten Commandments movie with Charlton Heston added elements. Son of God changed details. Hollywood is trying to make an entertaining film, not a scholarly work. Christianity has survived many inaccurate films. The film makers of Noah do not seem to be belittling Christianity in order to draw crowds. They seem to be trying to respect the concerns or Christians. I agree, the film can promote conversation. When TV did a 2 parter on Peter and Paul, my cousins were curious about its accuracy and asked me and we were able to have a conversation about what the Bible said. Let’s support this attempt to provide a respectful, entertaining film.

  • costume

    I remember walking past protesters to see Last Temptation of Christ. Imagine my surprise then when the movie portrayed the sacrifice of Christ in a way that I’d never imagined in all the years of Sunday school and services at my Southern Baptist church. It opened a window to understanding something I never had before.

    The goal of evangelical Christians shouldn’t be to see perfectly accurate recreations of scripture (how do you then deal with contradictions everybody knows exist?) but to see the word spread in way that reach others.

    To want anything else isn’t about faith, it’s about your ego.

    • Wade

      Really? So we should be happy that Hollywood made a film about Jesus like the last temptation of Christ, which desplayed Him as terrible as it did? No when Hollywood makes a film to diminish and lie about the Bible it should be exposed as such. This movie of Noah depicts Noah teaching his children that some sort of evolution accured. That is just not true. and what contridictions are you talking about?

  • Simon Dillon

    First of all, I will obviously be going to see the film. I look forward to it, and from what I have heard, it sounds very interesting.

    What I find exceptionally irritating is the way Bible Belt God-botherers are getting hot under their dog collars about things like Noah getting drunk. Perhaps they’d prefer he drank grape juice? Thank goodness Aronofsky got final cut on the film.

    As for the extra-Biblical elements, who cares? It’s called artistic licence. Besides, some of those gaps that are filled in may turn out to be uncannily accurate guesses.

    At the end of the day, it can’t be worse than that dreadful version with Jon Voight where Noah gets attacked by pirates…

    • Mary

      I have to wonder if anyone who’s not ok with that scene (haven’t seen it, just going by what you’re saying), has actually read the Biblical account? As I recall, Noah DID get drunk at one point, after the Ark… and things got a lot more than PG rated, too.

  • Kathy Lovin

    You bet, Phil. I plan to see the movie and enjoy the fact that Hollywood is using my favorite source material in the world for inspiration: God’s word.

    Since Noah’s story arc (hee hee, pun!) is a little thin on detail, I’m interested to see what they come up with.

    Perhaps the best course we can recommend to Christians is to; see the movie before criticizing it; find two things to like about it for every one thing they don’t; and, engage in civil, respectful, loving dialogue about it when the time comes.

    Thanks for the info.

  • http://countingmyblessings.com/ BlessingCounter – Deb Wolf

    Thank you for this Phil. I am looking forward to seeing the movie and hope that it will open up many opportunities for great dialogue.

  • http://www.jacksondame.com Jackson Dame

    Wonderful argument for seeing the film instead of attacking it. I am looking forward to finally seeing it.

  • Ron ONeal

    I have a great idea. How about we trust God! We trust that He is bigger then any movie Hollywood puts out. We trust that His plan cannot be disrupted by anything we can do. We trust His words when He says that he can use ALL things for good. Then we stop fighting amongst ourselves which only weakens the message that Christ did give us and that is to love God and love each other which includes our enemies. What is sad is that so many times our enemies turn out to be our brothers and sisters in Christ. Watch the movie then spend some time praying asking God to reveal to “you” how “you” can use it to further Gods reach into the hearts of the lost. Let God direct “you” how to speak to your lost friends, that is if you have any. My guess is that many of the people commenting on here are so ingrained in the “in the world, not of the world” mentality that you have lost connection to the world you are supposed to be reaching for Christ.
    Oh by the way great article Phil.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Very well put Ron…

  • Tracy Cox

    Thank you Phil for helping me through the process. I was one that was skeptical about seeing it but I will defiantly go see and engage in the conversation that follows :)

  • New in faith

    I’m miffed (and tho I adore Crowe) he is “demanding” a showing with the Pope – talk about arogance!!!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Where did you see a “demand”? I saw his Tweets to the Pope, and he was simply inviting him to see the film.

  • GordonMarcy

    On this matter, the first question for me is: Which is more desirable, in light of God’s redemptive work in the world [through media]? 1) To have Hollywood movie versions of Biblical narratives that may venture out from accuracy and authenticity? 2) To have no Hollywood versions of Biblical narratives at all?

    I vote for #1. Then, the second question is, should I see and/or support the art in question?

    At that point, I believe it becomes a matter of degrees. For example, if we put The Last Temptation of Christ on one extreme end of a scale (the don’t see/don’t support end), and Son of God on the opposite end ( the see/support end), where does Noah fall?

    Having read reviews from people [that I respect] who have actually seen the movie and/or clips, it would seem Noah tilts toward the Son of God end of the spectrum.

    But as in all things that are not expressly forbidden by God, each of us has to follow the dictates of our faith and conscience, led by the Spirit.

    Phil I’ll say this, you have an excellent way of framing the questions that all using media to reach the world for Christ need to wrestle with. For that we owe you our thanks.

    Great to meet you finally at the SAVN.tv gathering at NRB.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Well said Gordon. Thanks for posting!

  • Kevin Austin

    Well said. . . We should join cultural discussions, which films like this create. No, we don’t need to defend God or God’s word – who do we think we are? I’m ready to see it and have some good conversations about it.

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  • Mary

    AMEN. It’s time Christians stopped with the “I’m taking my toys and going home!” attitude every time someone does something they don’t like in the sandbox. Seriously folks. You want better films? GO SEE THE ONES BEING MADE. No company is going to produce films for an audience that doesn’t bother showing up! So, if you refuse to watch all but the most pure, Bible-based, theology-rich films, don’t be surprised if the mainstream movies aren’t to your taste, because frankly, you’re not the audience Hollywood is aiming for.

    We are to be in the world, but not of it, but Christians in the current century seem hellbent on making themselves culturally irrelevant, which is NOT what Jesus would do, or did.

    • Shoshanah

      I was disappointed in the movie “Esther’ written by a Christian, Tommy Tenny…it did not stick to the Biblical account with something so simple as Esther fasting for only 1 day instead of 3?? Why not say that??

      Oh, well. Movies are movies!!

  • Karen

    I understand the need to elaborate and use imagination to fill in details, but why deviate from the Bible? Why not follow the Bible’s story as closely as possible? If I see something based on a true story, I want it to be as close to the truth as possible. It might make a good movie otherwise, but people come away with wrong ideas cemented in their heads. If Christians stood up and said, “We’re not supporting ‘Bible-based’ movies that aren’t really Bible-based,” then maybe, just maybe, Hollywood would say, “Oh, they really do care, so next time we’ll get it right.”

  • Vickie Reddy

    Can’t wait to see this movie. Thanks for your words Phil & for being willing to take a few bullets!

  • Hazel May Lebrun

    I can’t wait to see the film. I would have been shocked had they not deviated a bit. I mean, they’re trying to make an epic movie using a short story from the Bible. Even though the even twas not short, the account is. They may also be taking stuff from the Book of Enoch or other places like that, trying to round out the story that way.

    I don’t have issue with that and I think the way that Christians bash every little thing all the time and are so negative and crabby about everything, even things that try to please them, makes Jesus look like an old cranky curmudgeon and doesn’t make anybody want to follow or embrace of beliefs. This is my commandment that you love one another that your joy may be full.

    I don’t see a lot of full joy around the crank Christian crowds. There are joyful ones out there, but the cranky ones whine so loud, I’m going deaf.

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  • geejee

    As usual not a black face amongst them…..Devils telling lies and believing them!

  • Simon Dillon

    To all of those moaning about Noah not being “Biblically accurate”, I would love to see a “Biblically accurate” version of Judges 19 – 21 – a story that begins with gang rape and dismemberment and builds from there to a full-on massacre. Paul Verhoeven would be the ideal director I think.

    I wonder how that would go down in the Bible Belt? Hmmm….

  • Danny Kwon

    1) thanks for the encouragement to see the movie. I have a lot of naysayer friends who discourage others from watching the film but I think I will at least treat it like I treat any other film. However, just as I don’t ‘support’ and endorse “Frozen” I can’t endorse this. Like you rightly challenged, it is ‘inspired by’ nothing more. Thanks.

    2) most naysayers are upset that the film is not accurate because they don’t want the real story to be overshadowed. Ie Romeo and Juliet is a Shakespearean play that is widely considered a classic, so purists were upset when the movie with Leonardo dicaprio embellished on the story and might overshadow the original for casual moviegoers. You are right that most of us have not watched the movie yet so the verdict is still out if this movie’s storytelling will overshadow the original story for us.
    3) I’d argue with only one point where you suggest the Passion by Mel Gibson was the biggest religious film ever. Perhaps by gross income it was, but you then try to measure the impact of the film by conversions. If that’s the case then I would argue that The JESUS Film is the most watched film AND has the greatest impact on seeing changed lives for Christ. Considering that you’ve even worked with them I’m surprised that you wouldn’t mention that yourself.

    But overall, great post.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Great points Danny. I agree that there’s a difference between seeing a movie and endorsing it – and it’s important for people to know that I’m not pushing Noah on anyone. Just stating a case why we should consider seeing it. Also – regarding the Jesus Film, you’re exactly right. However, I didn’t use that comparison because the Jesus Film has been the beneficiary of an enormously focused evangelistic campaign for many years. Passion of the Christ, Son of God, Noah, and others are box office driven only, so the comparisons would be more accurate and appropriate.
      Thanks for posting!

  • Adam McKinney Souza

    I just want to know why they shot the posters to make Noah look like Bane from the Dark Knight Rises.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Now THAT’S a solid criticism… :-)

  • Shyla Kane

    the point you make repeatedly is why I, as a Christian should be happy hollywood made a movie about a Biblical character, even though they “missed the mark” even though it deviates from scripture. Because, after unbelievers see this movie we Christians can then tell them the “real” story etc…etc…
    As a Christian I do not need to contribute to making this movie a HIT to share my faith and the “real” story of Noah to an unbeliever. Your article is dedicated to convincing Christians to go see this movie and yet you gave numerous reasons not to go. You made it clear this is not the story of Noah but a hollywood version.

  • fred12

    I wouldn’t watch porn just because they say His name a lot.

  • Brian Johnson

    A few years ago I dropped all interest in seeing or making “Bible” films, when friend Tom McMahon wrote “Showtime for the Sheep”. I recommend it as a quick but solid read on the issue of Christians using modern films as “tools” to witness. I have zero intention of seeing “Noah” and plan to stand against it whenever the topic comes up.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks for posting Brian, and I understand your perspective. But throughout the centuries, people have used sports, education, recreation, summer camps, social causes, and plenty of other “tools” to witness to people about Jesus. I’m all for whatever method helps open a conversation about how Christ can change someone’s life.

  • TCam7

    I think you are right, Christians who spend all of their time fighting against a movie are missing out on the opportunities that will arise to share the gospel with people who don’t yet know Jesus. Our fight is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and the spiritual forces of wickedness in heavenly places. Would Jesus have protested against this movie if He were alive today? I think that He, who ate and drank with tax collectors and sinners and received much condemnation for doing so, would go to the movie with people and would use this opportunity to explain to them the gospel starting with the story of Noah. We are meant to have the attitude of Christ Jesus as stated in Philipppians 2:5

    It is not our job to judge or to condemn but to Love as Jesus loved.

  • Chris

    When I first saw the trailer online months ago with my son, I got the chills and tears welled up in my eyes; it was so awesome. Later, I heard that the non-Biblical parts were excluded from the trailer. I’m glad to be prepared for that, but it won’t keep me from seeing the film. I’ve often wondered what it would be like to have been on that ark…. and off. Today when I watched the trailer for “Son of God” I had a similar reaction, and my son peered at my face, asking if I was crying again. Better save my pennies for that one too!

  • Tandi

    . . . I just finished reading your article on NOAH; to which, I give a resounding “Yes,Yes and YEEESSSSSSS!”

    The Bible story of the man who built boat to carry earth’s only survivors after God’s judgment is becoming part of mainstream dialog through Paramount Pictures’ big-budget film, NOAH.

    Starting on opening day this March, this Bible story will be on the radar around the world–in a big-budget-Hollywood-way. Now, it isn’t PASSION OF THE CHRIST.

    It takes a different approach in bringing one of the most dramatic Bible stories to the cinematic screen.

    NOAH is fashioned as a BIG ENTERTAINMENT, BLOCKBUSTER, HIGH CONCEPT film. Rated PG-13, it’s aimed at tweens, teens and families with an action-packed plot and twists and turns of epic measure befitting a worldwide flood and God’s judgment.

    Not so long ago, everyone was familiar with the stories of the Bible. Adam and Eve, animals filing two-by-two into an ark, and the big fish that swallowed Jonah, were part of our collective knowledge. Even people who weren’t Christians, or classified themselves as agnostic or atheist, had heard and understood the basic teachings of the Bible. It was part of our cultural narrative. Not so today!

    A lot of kids have never even heard of Noah and the Ark.

    Your article/voice enlightens Christians about how “Christian missionaries” in HW (and Christians who support Bible story-telling through buying a ticket) can approach and serve as a light in a very modern “Babylon.”

    I hope this film does very well! I believe your education to the Faithful is invaluable! Coming from 20 years in Christian television, I do understand, to some extent, how motley and
    fiery some segments of Christendom can be. I hope Christians do not turn away from this chance to engage others in discussions about God, His word and a man like Noah, played by Russell Crowe.

    This discussion heating up over a cinematic NOAH brings to mind Philippians 1:15-18. In prison, Apostle Paul faced two kinds of oppositions, both from within and without, in advancing the Gospel. There were those who shared the Gospel for altruistic motives and those who did so for financial gain.

    None-the-less, Paul rejoiced that either way, the Gospel was being advanced! The take-away lessen is that it’s a glorious thing for the Gospel to be propagated and celebrated–even by a conglomerate whose sole interest is vested in box office bank!

    Your article challenges believers that God’s story doesn’t just belong to us—to be patented and trademarked within the walls of a church. Are we (Christians) being a little possessive
    over story rights? Indeed, God works in strange and mysterious ways to get His word out!

    I would encourage anyone, and everyone, who understands the call to be a fisher of all men, follow Phil Cooke’s lead and see NOAH.

    It’s very cool how God is moving in HW! Phil’s article reveals how God has His hand strategically—covertly and overtly—in many ways in this $130 million film.

    Thank you, Phil, for your thoughtful contribution about how Hollywood is bringing the Bible to life on the big screen and it’s a good thing!
    Tandi

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  • Andrew Bossardet

    I am encouraged by the release of Noah, “inspired by a Biblical story,” for no reason other than I am a fan of telling good stories. Noah’s story has too long been relegated to nurseries, and deserves to be told. Pastors midrash on Biblical stories all the time. I certainly do it. Whenever someone reads a Bible story and connects it to today, they are midrashing and adding/subtracting details. Jesus skipped verses when He quoted passages. It’s fine. Hopefully it’s a good story. Hopefully it helps me think about Noah more deeply.

  • CitizenEmeritus

    Thanks for the perspective Phil!….Looking forward to seeing this production and the conversations that might result because of a story we may think we know, but to many it is less familiar than we may think!

  • Kelsey Guerra

    Right. On. Get on the boat or get swept away, is what I say.

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  • John Miller

    Adam to Deluge (Noah’s Ark is shut) is 1,656 time periods of 360 days, that is 596,160 days.
    And 596,160 days cubed x 10 and cube root and /1,000 is 1,284.387785 days (3.516 years).
    And counting from the baptism of Jesus Christ by John the Baptist at 8 am October 1, AD26 it is 6:03 pm Friday, April 7, AD30, which is the start of the Sabbath and the start of Passover. Which is 3 hours after the death of Jesus Christ.

    So the time period from Adam to when Noah’s Ark was shut can be contrived to reveal the time period from the baptism of Jesus Christ to three hours after his death on the Cross, and the start of the Sabbath and the start of Passover.

    So a relationship between the time period from Adam to the shutting of Noah’s Ark to the baptism of Jesus Christ to three hours after his death on the Cross.

    • Jordan

      What is your point? That last paragraph isn’t even a sentence. Also, you can “contrive” anything with math.

      • John Miller

        I don’t think you know the time period from the baptism of Jesus to his death on the Cross.
        The Book of Daniel helps us with the time period. Because standing around the Throne of God (Ancient of Days) are 101,000,000 angels. And 101,000,000 x 2 squared and /1.5 and square root twice and /10 = 1,284.259745 days.
        Counting from the baptism of Jesus Christ at 8 am October 1, AD26 (his 31st birthday) it is 2:59 pm Friday, April 7, AD30 and one minute before his death on the Cross at 3 pm. And during this period of one minute Jesus would have cried out,”It is finished!”.

  • http://DailyDisciples.org Bobbye Brooks

    Amen and Amen. I think it’s pretty great that Hollywood is moving in a direction that is willing to promote a Biblical story. I think of so many Christian films that are often a grade above (or below) a “B” movie status, where there is poor quality production and terrible acting. To see a Biblical story written, produced and directed at this level of quality is a very positive step. I say let the Spirit of God reach those in the audience who may come just out of curiosity. Sometimes we limit God so much, as if He doesn’t know what is going on in Hollywood. We Christians can always find things to criticize or boycott. Let’s instead pray that God will use these things for His purposes and trust that He has a purpose in the production and release of this move. Maybe God knows what He is doing…what a novel thought!

  • John

    I’m still not watching it. You say, “Lets be more encouraging” “Our expectations may be unrealistic”and “It’s only a movie” More manipulation tactics than an actual argument…. What about the new age concerns or the “twisting of the Bible” complaints in the other reviews? What’s your answers to those critics?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Then by all means John, don’t watch it. This is just my reasons that I will. And regarding my “answer” to the critics you mention, I would ask what are they so afraid of? I worship a God that is far greater than a movie. From my perspective, many of those critics seem to be operating out of fear. They seem to be saying: “For I worship a weak and ineffectual God, who, without me, would be down for the count.”
      But as for me, my God is bigger than that.

  • Tapp

    I have no qualms at all with the addition of “extra-Biblical” elements. It’s a short story in Scripture and there are a lot of blanks that would need to be filled in in order to present the story as a feature length film. No problem as long as these additions are plausible and are not in conflict with the original story.

    Additionally I can live with errors in interpretation. If the film were to show dinosaurs entering the ark… I would be disappointed but would overlook what is IMO a misinterpretation especially knowing that others actually do believe that. While I would be disappointed in their inclusion, I would totally understand.

    But go on to say that there are also “things that don’t line up with the Biblical account at all”. Creative license to fill in gaps or misinterpretations that are held by many believers are understandable. But I would have a hard time endorsing segments that “don’t line up with the Biblical account at all”. What bothers me about the post is that I’m not given any hint at what is being referred to. If we don’t know what the “things that don’t line up with the Biblical account at all” are… how can we evaluate your recommendation to us?

    As I reread your 9 points in bold print, it seems that these points could have just as easily been made regarding a film like the Last Temptation of Christ. I deeply doubt that it’s nearly as problematic is that but I don’t feel that I have learned anymore to help me make that determination.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Sorry it wasn’t more helpful Stephen. I was writing under the assumption that my readers A) didn’t want me to spoil the movie for them, and B) they didn’t need to be spoon fed. Sounds like it’s not a movie for you. Thanks for posting!

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  • Wondering

    Are demons (the “traditional” understanding of Nephilim as demon-human hybrids) cast as “good guys” in this film or not? If they are, that alone speaks volumes.

    • Bella Noteworthy

      I too am wondering about that. After all that is the species God had to destroy off the face of the planet. It’s really the whole point.

  • Elixe

    “Brian’s a friend and has commented on this post below. I would
    encourage you to check it out and with him directly. That post is two
    years old, and movies go through multiple versions of a script. I don’t
    think you’ll find it’s the same movie.”

    Thank you, I did see his post unfortunately he mentioned that he will not be able to see it until it comes out. I do find it comforting that it is not the same movie as the script he reviewed.

    The main points I am concerned about does God want Noah to commit infanticide in the movie and what is God’s reason for flooding the Earth?

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  • Blayne Wyatt

    I love how you can scapegoat the problem of truth with the way reality operates by claiming “accurate Biblical portrayal.” Hollywood’s portrayal of this movie is just as fictional as your bibles account. Where is the story about “accurate portrayal is physically impossible?”

    • Twyla Do

      WOW! do you always hang out posting anti-Christian comments on the internet all day, or is this a new hobby for you atheists? Seems to be a trend.

      • Blayne Wyatt

        To answer your question, No I don’t hang out all day “posting anti-Christian comments.” Do you always generalize and assume? Let me demonstrate why your comment is fallacious. You said

        • Twyla Do

          ah okay. I completely understand your anti-religion standpoint, now that I know you’ve been a victim of the Catholics. Carry on, makes perfect sense to bash half the country for believing in God because of it, doesn’t it? Yeah, but we should leave YOUR rights alone. Got it. ;)

          • Blayne Wyatt

            check your facebook other box.

  • DC

    Mr. Cooke,

    I recommend ambivalance. Christians who don’t get giddy everytime Hollywood makes a movie and slaps a Bible title on it are not necessarily unenlightened isolationists (you never said this directly).
    And what does the actor say about the man that God calls “a preacher of righteousness” and a God-fearing man of faith? The actor says, “He’s not benevolent. He’s not even nice.” “This is the dude that
    stood by and watched the entire population of the planet perish.” (http://www.etonline.com/movies/134773_Russell_Crowe_Talks_Noah/). If that is who the story is about, I just assume they name it Gilgamesh, because it is not about the Genesis Noah. Noah happens to be a brother in the Faith. I don’t particularly like my brother to be portrayed with creative license by an actor who seems to hate him.
    On a different note maybe they should name it “Superman.” Then someone can write an article on how all of the comic book fans should just chill out.

  • Todd Gale

    I agree with your point about the “Passion of the Christ” movie NOT sparking a revival. I think it DID help to flesh out the gospels and make them more real in our minds, but I have found that if you are in a “spiritual” frame of mind, the oddest movies can speak to you and set you free. For me it was “The Matrix” and “Antz”! Both spoke of breaking free from percieved mindsets. My hope for the “Noah” movie is that it’s well done and sparks a discussion about the truly unique circumstances this man found himself in.

  • CRW

    Thanks for this! As a Christian entertainment industry professional in Hollywood, we need all the prayer and support we can get. I for one am looking forward to the film.

    • Brian Kelly

      I have reasoned with so many people about the credibility of the Gospel — even keeping my argument restricted to a philosophical level to expose how sloppy their thinking is… and, in the end, the Gospel pierces hearts in one way and one way only: “If you raise me up…”

      “Me.”

      Not the soundness of your reasoning or the depth of your scholarship. But God nailed to a cross, which is “foolishness to the world.”

      This is why Jesus asks if we will be ashamed…

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        Brilliant statement Brian, and so true. Thanks for posting!

  • http://JeffreyRFarmer.com/ Jeffrey R Farmer

    No doubt this is going to be a visually stunning film. However, if the flood is the result of man’s environmental sins, then sadly, this one’s going to miss the boat, big time. Let’s see: “Hmmm, you’re messing up the planet, so I’m going to destroy the planet.” Makes sense. Not.

    I do agree that, if nothing else, it’ll be a good opportunity to engage in discussions about the real story.

    • Say Wha??

      God never destroyed the planet. Just the creatures on it. That is why you are here… bc the world did not ever get destroyed.

    • Twyla Do

      Environmental sin? Not sure if that’s the basis in the movie, but it sure wasn’t God’s intent on earth. Man’s sinful nature run amok was the reason.

      • http://JeffreyRFarmer.com/ Jeffrey R Farmer

        Unless there has been a change from earlier reports, (or those reports were false) this retelling of Noah has man’s abuse of the environment as the reason for the flood.

        • Twyla Do

          There are other videos you can watch and I believe it’s the one entitled Tyrant, where Anthony Hopkins’ character discusses briefly the wickedness of man. None of the trailers have anything about it being what man did to the environment, so I don’t know. Can’t wait for it to come out and then we’ll know :)

  • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

    Here’s an updated video feature on the movie that might be interesting for you:

  • Eli Sheva

    Thx so much for sharing & clarifying a number of points! I wholeheartedly agree! We need to look at the opportunities “Noah” presents & make the most of these while these movies are still coming out of “that” mission field. We may never know the detail of every jot & tittle in the Bible or the Tenach. So thank you for conveying to all to be a bit more positive to encourage this project. After all, WHO in this world ” “has it all right’ ” or knows it all?? Kudos to the writers, actors, producers and staff for taking the risk – with faith – to undertake this monumental project! May the naysayers lay down their stones as Yeshua said to the accusers of the woman about to be stoned by them. & Kudos to you for writing this well organized & articulate commentary! God bless you!!

  • LorenHaas

    I am a Christian, but I see the Noah’s Ark story as a myth. In this case not historically true but true in the sense that it transmits a message about our relationship with God. This ancient story was clearly adapted from other ancient near eastern cultures to tell the story of their monotheistic God. This God loves the creation enough to destroy parts of it in order to save it from man’s corruption. (admittedly, not a pretty story if taken as historical) The point is that God makes a way to salvation, ultimately through the historical person of Jesus.
    As others have pointed out, this movie represents an opportunity to discuss scripture and God’s relation to us with people who never otherwise are presented with it. Plus it gives Christians still stuck with unfortunate Sunday school understanding of the story the chance to rethink it as an adult.
    So where is the downside?

    • Doug N

      I don’t understand… If a “Christian” believes that parts of their own foundational text is a myth how can any of it be considered truth or credible, and by extension, how can their religion even be considered truth or real and not a myth? The two are inseparably intertwined. After all, Christianity is fully based in the Bible & the teachings of Christ as documented there!

      • Kenny White

        The all or nothing approach is such a fallacy that so many Christians fall into. You have stated if any part of this compilation of books is myth or legend then we have to discard it all. First of all non sense and if that is your view then start discarding and looking for new meaning in life because there is no doubt that some myth and legend have crept into those accounts. The world is not that black and white. If you can’t see the parallels between most of the stories found in Genesis and other stories from similar eastern religions then either you haven’t looked at them or are woefully narrow minded. You sound like the “Christians” who yell and scream that the earth is less than 10,000 years old and that there were no dinosaurs when we have clear and overwhelming proof of the age of the earth being many millions of years old. Even if we want to discuss New Testament Gospel writings, how can you take direct quotes that were written by Luke – essentially an investigative reporter who was not even present with Christ – and then claim every single word is exactly correct and parse out tenses and meanings and have arguments and debate over it’s exact content. Or try to pretend you are the apostle John, and try writing down your accounts from the most amazing experiences in your life thirty years after they occurred and tell me if they are 100% accurate or have grown in legend or stature over time and then have them translated into every language under the sun by people hundreds and hundreds of years apart and tell me if the meaning changes any in the exact details depending on translation. All scripture is based somewhat in myth, but that doesn’t make it any less important. It is a great and holy text, but you have to look at it in reality. Have faith in an all mighty God, not in your understanding of a book written by flawed men. Your simplifying and drawing parallels to The Three Stooges is not appealing to a spiritually starved society who is looking for meaning in life. If they either have to accept your narrowly defined beliefs or none they will choose none every day; and who really loses in that equation? Remember Paul’s writing in I Corinthians chapter 9 about becoming all things to all people. Your writing sounds like all people have to become like you in order to experience life with the Father, instead of the other way around. Hope this is read in the spirit it was intended.

        • Doug N

          I never said I was christian or a member of any other organized ‘religion’.
          If your religion is based in myth, in whole or in part, it’s a useless waste of time.

        • Peter

          What if someone create a picture of your life and told to everyones that you do something you never do? «Hey this man tried to kill baby twins» and it is not true, because all of your life is an example of righteousness. This movie kill the life of this man! This NOAH movie do the same thing with the Bible true story of this right man of the past. (sorry for my bad english)

      • LorenHaas

        Christ is the foundation of Christianity. You are worshiping a book.

  • Minister Carole

    It is important for Christians to Unite so GOD’s power can move within us to attract people to His love and grace, so they can find Salvation… Acts 2 only worked because the believers were in one accord. Anytime Hollywood tries to do something good, please have mercy and support the effort… Even if there are inaccuracies at least GOD’s power is shown and maybe someone will gain enough interest to read the Bible to see how close the movies come to what has been written <3 Love you all, in Christ, Minister Carole Rothe Lilly, Bread Of Heaven Ministries, Roanoke VA

  • Rob Gillen

    I disagree with this post completely. The Bible is the best-selling, most talked about and most shop-lifted book in the world. We don’t need a big budget movie to bring attention to it’s stories. Anyone who hasn’t heard of Noah’s Ark is living in a cave.

    The problem I have with the movie is simple…the plot. I’ve read dozens of articles from pastors who have prescreened the movie stating that “God is angry at humanity for harming the environment” and that at one point Noah tries to murder one of his family members. This isn’t just “off”…it’s wrong.

    This movie could have been just as spectacular while still maintaining the original, biblical plot. What effect would have been lost? Why not tell the actual story?

    Point 8 contradicts points 6 & 7. If this movie isn’t going to be an effective means of bringing the lost to faith, than the “Christian” element of it is a moot point.

    All this movie does is muddy the water. Thanks for trying Hollywood, but you missed it this time.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks for posting Rob, but respectfully, when it comes to this generation’s knowledge about Noah, YOU might be living in the cave… :-)
      This may be the most Biblically illiterate generation in American history. I was in a jewelry store a few years ago standing next to a 30-something couple who were looking at cross necklaces. When they saw a crucifix with Jesus on it, they were perplexed at who “the little man on the cross necklace was.” I also see no contradictions on my list. “Movies” don’t lead people to Jesus, “people” do. And since hundreds of thousands will be watching this movie and asking questions, what a great opportunity to be part of that conversation.
      If you’re uncomfortable with it, then I agree with your decision not to see it. But as for me, I’ll use just about any means to share the gospel with this generation.
      Again – thanks for posting!

      • Rob Gillen

        I appreciate the response Phil. I have to be honest, the illustration of a 30-year-old not knowing that Jesus was the little guy on the cross is a bit of a stretch, but I’ll take your word for it ;)

        I’m glad that Hollywood is noticing the power found in biblical stories. It’s sad that it’s taken them this long. However, I’m afraid that some of these films (current company included) prostitute the Bible as a means of pulling in viewers and their money with no real intention of telling the biblical story.

        Ken Ham noted that the film’s script “is not at all faithful to the biblical account in Genesis.”

        I’ve read several pre-screeners who are saying that *SPOILER* Noah sees himself and his family as part of the problem and that they are only care-takers of the innocent animals. He also plots to kill a baby if it’s female so that his sons won’t continue humanity with the baby after it’s full-grown. Disturbed yet? I am. Anti-biblical.

        I agree, people do lead people to Jesus. I don’t need this movie to accomplish that task.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          I haven’t found the movie that is 100% Biblically accurate, so until then, I’ll use what I can… :-)

          • Carina Santos

            It’s one thing when a movie changes a few minor details or adds events that are not mentioned in the Bible, but don’t contradict with Scripture and could have possibly happened. But it’s another thing when it portrays certain details in a way that don’t mesh with logic or Scripture (both of which can mesh with each other, by the way), twists the characterization of the characters into something that contradicts what is written in Scripture, and distorts the message and meaning of the Biblical story. I don’t know how long ago you went on that set, but if you didn’t think that they were doing those things with this movie at that time, then either things must have changed since then or you might have not looked deeply at what they were planning at that time, ’cause that’s what people who have watched the screenings have said and that’s what’s I got when I saw the trailer. Giving this movie our money sends Hollywood the message that they have our permission to continue portraying the Bible in this manner and possibly even worse. For the sake of the unbelievers and seekers who will be confused and likely dismiss these stories as fiction when they see these movies, we cannot afford to send Hollywood that message.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Actually, some who have screened the film indeed have said that, but more who have seen it have taken the other approach. Sounds like the best thing is to see it and make a decision for yourself.
            Thanks for posting!

  • Tamra

    I too have a hard time watching a biblical movie that is not accurate to biblical truth. However, I say this because I am a follower of Jesus and desire all to know the truth. That being said, my interest in the bible and the truth came from seeing Jesus Christ Superstar. So, if that could bring me closer to God I have to assume that Noah and the Son of God may be the ticket for someone else. We need to be open to anything that may open the hearts and minds of those who do not know the truth. Then we can step in and fill in the blanks….

  • Dan

    Hallo all, how about promoting Noahthemovie.com . this is an evangelical version of Noah story. This also is going to be released March 28th. Please check it out. pl promote this with your church and youth group. This is something definitely something to stir the nest in a positive way!

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/hollywoods-biblical-epic-beaten-to-the-punch/
    http://www.noahthemovie.com/producers.php

  • Carolyn Spring-Baker

    I am not sure if I will go see the movie or not…. I will however buy it on dvd when it comes out so I can view it myself at home and decide if I want to pass it on to others to see….

    As Christians you should all know that Hollywood wants nothing more but your money and the devil wants nothing more than for Christians to argue over anything that may be Biblical…..

    Now if a movie is said to be inspired by actual facts then I will want to see it.Only so I can see how actual the facts are…..

    I do believe that Christians should take every opportunity to tell other the Good News of Jesus and if this movie gives you an opening to that… then use it…. You can use the Bible as your reference when people are saying this was a true movie…. you can then tell them the truth…..

    Still unsure of spending close to $20 to go see the movie (for 2 people) opposed to waiting till it is on Dvd and watching it for approx $15 for a whole group of people…..

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Here’s a good tip Carolyn – if you want to SUPPORT a movie, then I’d encourage you to view it on opening weekend. Because the results of the opening weekend determine how long the movie will stay in the theater. If you DON’T support a movie, then either see it later, or on DVD as you’re suggesting.

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  • Rick20033

    Would you recommend a movie about Martin Luther King Jr. if it depicted him as a crazy man who heard voices telling him to murder a baby?

    • Brian Kelly

      If the Noah movie is like that, any person who has read scripture will dismiss it. Teh problem is (A) with people who have not seen the movie, and (B) people who have not read scripture.

  • Imnoth

    Is your faith in your invisible man in the sky so shaky that you are afraid that a movie will somehow hurt or offend it? Then I think you should take a good look at yourself… seriously.

    • Brian Kelly

      Good point, but read my post. Not everyone is shaky. Conversely, the world is very seductive… in a stealth way… you get sucked in incrementally until one day you wake up and wonder how you got where you are. In the 25th chapter, the prophet Isaiah cries out that all of mankind is under a veil and covered by a burial shroud that obscures the light of truth. That’s why the coming of Jesus was prophesied as “a light in darkness.” So it’s about sobriety, not fear. Problem is, if you’re blind, you cannot see.

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  • dallasfamily

    I have a great idea, instead of yacking about this movie, why don’t we Christians, make some sandwiches and take them to the homeless, or go visit a prisoner in jail or perhaps, get to the job at hand, to let our light so shine, that others will see in us Christ, the hope of Glory….AND….why would we trust that Hollywood should do any work for the cause of Christ…the same mistake is made with how we trust politicians and other groups to “promote” Jesus…He doesn’t need them and we end up looking like morons talking about this stuff.

    • Brian Kelly

      You’re right.

  • Brian Kelly

    I watched “Last Temptation of Christ” before I came to faith, and it only quickened my imagination. In fact, I came to faith despite the Christians who were picketing the movie and turned away to shout at someone else when I asked if they had already seen the film.

    I think anyone who is leaning forward to see God should not be inhibited for fear of touching something unclean. Isn’t that the indicting part of the parable of the Good Samaritan? My God, in his second miracle, Jesus touched a leper!

    David Maine wrote a wonderful book called “The Preservationist” that imagines the story of Noah by filling in all the pieces that aren’t told in scripture. Is that blasphemous? I think not. It’s mind-expanding and invigorating. “Imagination is the gift God has given us to see the invisible.” That’s how Bill Johnson sums it up.

    And I agree.

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  • http://www.theitjuggler.com/ Steve “The IT Juggler” Ollis

    DISCLAIMER: I’ve not seen “Noah” yet, so my comments are entirely my own opinion, and are not related to the content of the movie.

    Let’s turn the asbestos-suit flame levels down a little, peoples all. This post isn’t trolling, or even argumentative. It’s a clear and well thought out examination of the facts as Phil sees them. And you know, I agree with his points.

    So what if “Noah” isn’t biblically 100% accurate? Neither is the white-wash Hollywood portrayal of muslim’s being terrorists, italians being mafia-related, Russian’s being vodka-infused drunks, Australian’s being “Crocodile Dundee” wanna-bes, marriage being something irrelevant, “Die Hard” being even slightly realistic, childbirth being sanitized and clean, and house fires being bright and survivable. So, instead of doing the “Chicken Little” dance, screaming that the sky is falling, and stabbing effigies of the movie makers, take a step back and look at the big picture.

    God gave us all imagination. Some use it to see dragons where there are none, and attacks where none were intended. Some use it to add depth and shade to a story where, in all honesty, the lead character was later found passed out, drunk and naked, in his tent. Still others use it to believe the best of people, and cheer them on. In this, I wish I was as talented to be in the second group, but I choose to place myself in the third.

    My kids play sport. Sports that, as a child and an adult, I’ve never played. I can encourage, cheer, and reinforce what the coach is teaching my kids. I can hold an opinion about how well the coach trains, I could even be one of those sideline heros that tell their kids to ignore what the coach has told them because “it’s all about you”. Those words, however carry no weight and no impression because the coach, the trainers, and the kids are the ones actually in the gladitorial arena having a go. And until that time that my hand has fused to the sword while _I_ am in the arena, my energy will be spent cheering them on, encouraging their efforts, supporting their endeavours. And most of all, standing shoulder to shoulder, defending the backs of the coaches from attacks from the armchair commentators.

    The God that I believe in, have relationship with, is big enough, strong enough, to fight His own battles. Is God going to lose face because “Noah” may have some inaccuracies? I don’t think so. My own Biblical edict boils down to this: “Love God, Love People”. As long as the movie is not outright blasphemy, then I’ll support it. If “Noah” or “Son of God” or “The Passion Of The Christ” inspires a curiosity towards knowing God, or at least asking questions, then that is a worthwhile expenditure. Are we going to capture the imaginations and the thoughts of today’s adults with flannelgraphs of Bible stories? No, but we’ll certainly capture their derision.

    I’m praying for the writers, producers, cast, crew and anyone associated with it – for their courage, committment and choice to give their effort and imagination to this work. But even more than that, I’m praying that people will be drawn to watch “Noah”, and come to ask questions, make a personal decision, and follow Jesus as their Saviour.

    I’ll be the one you hear cheering till my voice won’t let me.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Refreshing perspective amid all the noise out there. I couldn’t agree more.

      • AD

        So if you haven’t seen the movie and you agree with promoting it, it’s okay, but if you haven not seen it, it’s not okay?

        • AD

          If you have not seen it, it’s not okay to say not to go?

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            No. If you don’t feel comfortable, please don’t go. I could have been more clear in that my problem is with Christian leaders who were advocating boycotts and petition drives. With Noah – and anything else for that matter – you shouldn’t launch a national boycott about something you haven’t seen or don’t know about. That was my central point in writing the post. But for individuals, if you’re uncomfortable, absolutely don’t see it. However, I do think it’s a great opportunity for evangelism since hundreds of thousands have seen it and are asking questions.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Nope. Both sides should see it and then discuss. It has significant problems that need to be argued. But you can’t do that if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • http://www.joshuadweiss.com Joshua Weiss

    Hey Phil, one of my friends has been doing some movie reviews lately and I think he does a fine job from a Christian perspective. I’d like to also recommend his blog on this same topic. I think you two would agree on a good portion of this discussion.

    http://wadebearden.com/noah-might-biblical-thats-okay/

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      He makes great points, and I would encourage others to check out his review. Thanks for the link Joshua!

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  • Steven

    I’m opposing. Reasons why are simple. Why would I want to go spend money and contribute to paramount who also produced wolves of walls street. ( and that’s just one recent example) In that movie they took our lords name in vain over 30 times and desecrated the biblical image of marriage.

    Sure the Noah movie here is not biblically correct like the recent Son of God movie. Many things added for effect both visually and scripturally.. Actually there is a great release on youtube I believe on the 28 th of this month with a real biblical based depiction of Noah created by Ray Comfort.

    Basically my thoughts are if paramount is so truly ambitious in wanting to promote God….. Then why do they produce films that blasphemy Him ???

    It’s all about the $$$$$. You think about that.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I understand your position, but the truth is, when you travel, you probably stay in hotels that sell pornographic movies in the rooms, back at home you watch TV channels from networks who also own adult media companies or services, eat food from producers and distributors who also sell or distribute alcohol. Unless you live in a bubble you can’t escape coming in contact with the world. But it didn’t worry Joseph – he delivered a powerful witness in the midst of Babylon.
      And regarding the “Son of God” movie or “The Bible” TV series it came from being Biblically accurate, as Jonathan Merritt posted recently, it’s “Biblically accurate” as long as you don’t mind replacing King Cyrus with King Darius. Or if accuracy includes giving the angels who rescued Lot’s family from Sodom ninja-style martial art skills. Or if deleting Herod from the decision to execute Jesus is accurate.
      The world is messy, so instead of walking away, I’d rather use these things as a witness to His glory.

      • RevEllisor

        Odd… I don’t remember a biblical account of Joseph being a powerful witness in Babylon. :(

        Let me guess, you took literary license in your post. :)

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Ha! Touche’ Rev. Ellisor. Egypt it is. (Good lesson in responding on the blog too late at night! Thanks for the catch! :-)

  • tad

    Nice blog. I echo your thoughts 100%. I plan on seeing it, as well as “Son of God” ASAP. When my Christian friends start dissing these two movies and haven’t even seen them yet, i usually start by asking if they have a problem with all the Englische spoken in these movies. They usually look at me like i’m stupid, and i remind them that Noah probably didn’t know a lick of Englische, but i’ll bet that’s all he speaks in the movie. . . and they’re a bunch of white guys again! :-)

    Heck, we saw “The Last Temptation of Christ” while attending CBNU and while it when it was first out in theaters amidst all the hub-bub from folks who hadn’t seen it. Though we almost walked out a few times, we watched the whole thing, and it ended up giving me some new thoughts on how Jesus probably really was tempted. And there was a very clear disclaimer at the head of the movie for those who haven’t seen it – i recommend it. Truth is, unless a person’s own denomination/cult/sect is the one making the movie, most moderns Christians will boycott it and call it “heresy.” Such is the “body of Christ” these days. Too many modern Christian sects virtually worship the bible and they need to realize “the word of God” is far more than what has ever been written down. Thanks for the blog!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks Tad! Always nice to hear affirmation… :-)

  • Jane Foster Sokolik

    Saw the movie “Son of God”, with my “Why Catholic Group”, we all loved the movie, and we plan on going to see “Noah” as a group also……..can’t wait.

  • Jane Foster Sokolik

    Oh, thanks for your blog, I enjoy it.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks Jane. Feel free to share it with your network….

  • mommatocharlie

    Very good, very thoughtful. I hope I can find the money to see this film.

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  • Elixe

    The main points I am concerned about does God want Noah to commit infanticide in the movie and what is God’s reason for flooding the Earth?

  • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

    Here’s a really good perspective on the movie from someone else who has seen it:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/filmchat/2014/03/first-impressions-noah-dir-darren-aronofsky-2014.html

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  • Normansword

    Why don’t you make a movie showing Mohammed shagging goats and tell the Jihadists to ‘get over themselves and come see the movie’ too! After all, can’t we all just get along?!

  • KX

    ummm… We should go see it because we need to support biblical movies? Except this is not biblical, it has NOTHING to do with the story of Noah in the Bible, it just happens to have the same name. We should shun this movie and encourage Hollywood to make real religious movies or none at all. Try this, get an adviser, they do for every other type of movie.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I assume you make these statements because you’ve actually seen the movie? Otherwise, I’m sure you wouldn’t make sweeping generalizations like this, right?
      :-)

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  • Angel Amick

    Personally, I think many of your points are not good enough reasons to go see the movie. I am sorry, but the word of God is not something that should be added too. It is living and powerful and from the few reviews I have read from those who have seen it, this movie is far far off from what the bible says. If there were not enough details to produce a closely accurate movie then they should have not made a movie at all. The bible does not need to be made into a movie and I don’t believe this movie is going to sell anyone of Christianity. It was made solely for entertainment services. Just comparing this to the Passion of Christ, it is very discouraging.

    So I have some questions for you and please feel free to answer. You asked if we really need to protect ourselves from an inaccurate movie “based” on the bible. Is it not non-believers we need to protect from that and less Christians who know the true story? Why should we not be fighting for the salvation of others?

    It is not just a movie when it claims to be based in any way from God’s living word. Do you think that God’s word should be mocked or twisted for entertainment purposes?

    Why would we share our faith through false accounts from the bible? I am certain there are better ways to share God’s love like through kindness?

    This movie is not 100% biblical. Paramount spent that money on a film they hope will sell. Again, if it is not 100% from the bible and God’s word should not be made into movies. If Hollywood believes it is okay to twist this story from the bible and we applaud them for trying, is this not encouraging them to falsify the bible? I know many people who would love to twist the stories in the bible to make Christianity look bad.

    Yes, I expect any movie based on the Bible to be 100% accurate or not made at all. The bible is more then just a book of stories. I don’t think I need to express that again, but why don’t you believe this? Why don’t you believe God’s word is Holy and perfect the way it is? God does not need movies to save people. He has his body for that. An imperfect movie to promote the Perfect God is not okay.

    You other three points are just about you and I don’t see a need to reply. If you want to see the movie for entertainment purposes, go for it. But it is not a movie I support nor will I. If twisting God’s word is what it takes to make movies that have any relation to the bible, keep the Bible off our screens. God will provide the truth for people.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      You’re not asking questions here Angel, you’re making statements. And your statements have to come from the experience of actually seeing the movie, or you’re not being intellectually honest. How can you make such sweeping, negative statements about a movie you haven’t seen? I would never criticize OR promote a movie I hadn’t actually seen. I would encourage you to see it and THEN we can have the conversation. Otherwise, if you don’t intend to see it, what’s that point of your post?

      • Angel Amick

        Please write an honest review of the movie after you see it for all the people who may spend their hard earned money to see a movie you suggested they do. Good luck to you sir!

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          I’ve seen in Angel! That’s why I’ve written so much about it! I saw it months ago.

          • Angel Amick

            I find it interesting that all of my posts with questions with which your answers may cause any question to your post keep going missing. I will ask again, do you believe it is okay to change or add to God’s perfect word? Do you think that we should really take non-believers to this movie and share it as a symbol of our faith? Please, answer me that I may understand where your disagreement with my opinion holds any value to my opinion of this movie.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Of course I do! Did you watch “The Bible” TV series? The 10 Commandments? Passion of the Christ? Son of God? All took liberties with the story. All added or deleted scenes found in the scripture. It’s a MOVIE, not a sermon. And yes – I’m taking as many non-Christian friends as I can to see it. What a GREAT opportunity to share a movie, and then tell them the real story of Noah! I wouldn’t miss this for the world.

          • Angel Amick

            Okay, I respect your opinion but will continue to disagree.

      • Guest

        Also, here is one of the reviews I am speaking about. As well as others. It may be Glenn Beck but he is being honest about it. I am educated enough through my own research to know that your points not good enough reasons to see and support the movie.

        http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/03/24/babylonian-chainsaw-massacre-glenn-reviews-noah-after-attending-screening-in-la/

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          • Angel Amick

            I wish I could say this review changes my mind, but all it does in confirm the reasons I have against not seeing it. The article is a great read and from a film point of view, sure it is probably a good movie. But I disagree with how the movie portrays God and the story of Noah. I do not believe the Story of Noah is a myth. I may not know exactly how this story panned out, but neither did the everyone involved in this production thus making in invalid. It may be close-minded to think that if we cannot accurately translate the bible to film then it should not be but, and I will stand firm in this belief, God’s word is far to precious to be used for entertainment purposes.

          • Birdie Golden

            The “Passion of the Christ” didn’t follow the bible to the letter either and was greatly exaggerated, especially in its insistence on extreme violence…yet so many greeted it with open arms. …the same type of folks who refuse to see this movie for similar reasons.

            Are these kinds of embellishments acceptable as long as they’re favorable? Or were you critical of that film as well?

          • Guest

            Your comment makes me laugh. I don’t feel it is okay to use the Word of God for entertainment purposes ever, period. At least the passion of the Christ did not twist the story completely into something completely different from the story. Violence may have been exagerated but none of us know that for a fact because we were not there. Jesus did not become a homicidal man driven to kill his family because God hates humans and favors animals. I am sorry but Noah the movie is a joke and it bother me because it is “inspired” by the Word of God and I can’t help but believe this is offensive to the creator himself.

          • Viktoria Hart

            I’m curious, is the extreme violence you are talking about during the beating of Jesus?
            The reason I ask is because I was moved by a movie that probably was the closest to depicting what actually happened to Jesus. History records the type of beatings the Romans gave. They were cruel, and really did flay the skin and muscle off with their whips. Some people died before they received all their lashes. There are also descriptions of Jesus as being so badly beaten that his own mother wasn’t sure that it was him. I’m not an authority on these things, but I was impressed that the Passion really showed what Jesus went through to save a wicked and hateful race of people. Made me appreciate the gospel message more.

      • Mark

        Can you make sweeping statements about porn without having seen it? Do you watch porn before criticizing it?

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Surely you can do better than that Mark. :-)
          Porn is an entire industry. We know it’s effect. We have research that supports it’s damage. With Noah, we’re talking about an individual movie. Do you criticize your pastor’s message before he preaches it? Do you criticize a book before you’re read it? You honestly don’t feel the least lack of integrity criticizing something you don’t know anything about?

      • Mark

        Would you make sweeping statements about pornographic movies you haven’t seen? I think one can discuss the movie and make statements about it so long as they have their facts straight.

  • susanlou

    Of course I haven’t seen it, but reading Beck’s take on it, I have to say. The bible is history, you might put in some fillers but to completely screw up history is just wrong. People already make fun of people of faith, and it’s no wonder if they tell the world we believe in rock people.

    • Angel Amick

      Susan, I agree with you. Christianity is under such scrutiny that we have to be careful what is considered part of the Truth we hold so dear.

    • Birdie Golden

      I just wonder why Christians seem to be so upset at people for questioning the bible. The Old Testament in general claims God is angry, violent, condones slavery, murder, rape…While the New Testament is a little rosier, it still holds some very ethically questionable content in it (like women not being permitted to learn or speak in church, or again, how slavery is acceptable).

      Honestly, I’m a little concerned that you haven’t taken your own religious text to task. Belief in God should not be confused as one in the same as belief in organized religion. It is a shame that you’ve been taught to believe you cannot have a personal relationship with God unless you subscribe to someone Else’s interpretations.

      • susanlou

        Birdie, there is either a God or there is not. There is either a plan of salvation or there is not. There are not 50 plans of salvation if there is a God and a plan. History tells us that men who had the power changed much of the scriptures to their liking. Many people try to interpret for themselves. Many people live righteous lives without organized religion, but I believe in Modern day prophets and revelation and that is why I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And that is why the bible is confusing, because of the interpretations of men without revelation. So believe the bible or not, if you are going to do a bible story, Don’t change it into something else.

        • Birdie Golden

          I can appreciate that Susan. I never intended to start a bible story or create one, The items I listed can all be found, many multiple times, within the bible. I just wanted to impress upon people that there are some who question the extreme violence throughout the book, especially against women (in the name of God) in both testaments in the bible.

          What baffles me is why people get upset at someone questioning why god would command men to rape an enemies wife, or murder their children. Women are demanded to don the role of “obedient servants” to their husbands, regardless of how he treats her.

          “Belief” in something should come with convincing someone it is the truth (versus them just be too afraid not to believe), not beating them over the head with the book, insulting their skepticism and insisting they need to believe it “they can just burn in hell.”

          To be frank, that wasn’t how Jesus brought people to know god at all. I don’t know why some Christians believe this method is effective or does anything more than push people further away.

          • susanlou

            Where was it ever said that God condoned violence on women? Or to rape women? Everything that was practiced was not condoned by God. Also, As far as men going to war and taking their women, If they had to go to war but didn’t kill the women, they had to take the women into their families, else how could the women live? Some practices were just law and not God’s law. For instance, If we make gay marriage legal that doesn’t make it OK with God or God’s laws. Too complicated for this post. But would love to share more with you, if you like.

  • Luke Meter

    The only thing this movie will actually accomplish will be to provide ammunition to the God haters who already take great delight in mocking everything we hold dear. I will not see this movie, I’m sick of Christianity being the only religion where it’s okay to mock and distort and openly disrespect everything about it and we believers are just expected to roll with the punches. No more.

    • Birdie Golden

      God haters? You must be under the impression that if someone doesn’t drink the kool-aid of organized religion that they do not have a personal relationship with God?

      What a shame.

      • Luke Meter

        No fool! I quite literally mean the scumbags you encounter on the internet everyday that delight in making a mockery out of my beliefs while having none of their own. The people that can’t pass up any article remotely related to Christianity without commenting on our “flying spaghetti monster”, or our “magical sky elf” or any of the other repugnant names they call my God while claiming to be tolerant, respectful, and open minded. I meant quite literally God haters.

        • Birdie Golden

          I can see by you opening with an insult, following with more insults, and going off on a tirade, that you’ve definitely misinterpreted what it means to be “Christ Like.”

          Luke, perhaps if you weren’t treating people like you claim they treat you, you might get better results.

          I see no tolerance, respect, or open mindedness in your post. Just hate and anger.

          I think you should consider walking the path of Christ if you feel so inclined to defend your religion. You do nothing but lend to the idea that Christians are intolerant, angry and forceful in the way you approach people whose opinions differ. You will never get through to people this way…and isn’t that the point of being Christian?

          Might I suggest, you read some passages in the bible about how Jesus treated non-believers, sinners, and people who disagreed or outright insulted him.

          You may find yourself some peace.

          • Luke Meter

            I’m not in the habit if casting pearls before swine. Deal with it.

          • Gods side.

            even the bible speaks of fools.. its not an insult, its describing what one is who cannot see through the darkness.. also i love how you amplify “being christian like. faith has nothing to do with religion just saying. Just because someone is christian does not mean they follow a “man made religion” just means they are a follower of christ.. duh

  • Random

    Normally, I would agree with these points, but you failed to mention how Noah got his orders to build the Ark from a hallucination and tried to kill his family and was a total lunatic. Not sure how these things are fostering a positive discussion on the Christian faith.

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  • cheleigh

    I can’t wait to see it!! I am a devout Christian and I understand that the movie has to have SOME fillers as we are not privy to Noah’s entire life….Chill people…really.. :/ I assume people will figure out that some of the movie is based on imagination.

    • LisaG

      Except in this case, most of the movie is based on imagination. I’ve seen it. The pastor next to me got up and left. It is a great action film, there is a flood, people are evil, animals are animals are innocent, but only remotely biblical. Keep that in mind and you might like the movie.

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  • devoutlady

    I think every should see it because one the is true and you cant change that is what happened before can happen again regardless of who and when. Get it right people. GOd has no respect of persons. Go see the darn movie if not who cares. Im going.

  • gatekeeper96740

    I have heard enough about it NOT to go. People said it was AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!

    • Birdie Golden

      I’m sorry…what does being liberal have to do with religion? Please inject your political hatred somewhere else. This honestly is not the appropriate forum.

      • gatekeeper96740

        Personal attacks are the absolute epitome of tactics of the left.
        As for the rest please learn the difference between the definition of the word judgmental ( a favorite liberal attack word) and discernment.

        : the quality of being able to grasp and comprehend what is obscure : skill in discerning
        2
        : an act of perceiving or discerning something

        • Birdie Golden

          I see…so Paul was against “satanist liberals” who are asking Christians to “tolerate” when what they should be doing is whipping people…

          So…your hate and blanket judgment of people who vote opposite of your political views is justified and they are godless creatures, regardless of their deeds or who they are as individuals.

          Gotcha…I’m done. Please, do go on representing your religion though…you’re doing a great job.

          • gatekeeper96740

            Great job misrepresenting everything I said Saul Alinski would be proud.

          • , optomistic

            you know. God is bigger than all of us. He can use this film to open up dialogue about the true version from the scriptures and from there to be a witness. Some will even find a Bible to look up the story in there, and find it amazing and keep reading. Do not limit God. Also, going and seeing it will give one the opportunity to give a correct account, if it has gone astray from the true story written in the Bible. Pray for those going, that they will find the truth.

          • gatekeeper96740

            The message of the movie is the planet and the animals are wonderful and perfect. Mankind is a virus that needs to be wiped out. Now how often have we heard that message from Hollywood and the environmentalists. Wasn’t Avatar like this move but Avatar had cooler graphics.

        • Planner 922

          I’m disappointed in your comments. Judgement is not for you. That is God’s own decision to make. Not ours. Jesus drove the money changers out of the Temple for making money in the Temple, not for their beliefs or Religion.
          Movies are no more than books on a screen. You cannot determine what is right or wrong for someone else to do or think. God gives you the right and the responsibility to change only one person and that person is you.

          • gatekeeper96740

            Discernment
            1: the quality of being able to grasp and comprehend what is obscure : skill in discerning
            2 : an act of perceiving or discerning something

            The Bible is filled with admonitions that we avoid evil, flee from temptation, cling to what is good and lovely. In order to do that, we have to make judgment calls. We have to decide that one thing is good and another is not. We make these decisions all that time as a matter of course in life. We do it if we are a follower of Jesus or not. Everyone has somethings that they decide are right to to and others that are not. Every society and culture has these things and every member of those cultures has to think and decide, has to judge what behaviors fit the standard.
            This movie and its message clearly fit this description.

            Bursting forth with the words, “judge not”, should in no way intimidate anyone from deciding if something is sinful or not. If anything slows us down it should be the warning from Jesus that we not be hypocrites who are unable or unwilling to live according to that same standard.

          • Planner 922

            You have that right for yourself alone. Do not forget the lesson Jesus gave to the Pharisees about whether or not it was wrong to eat meat on Friday. Be careful you do not set yourself up for the sin of Pride. Doesn’t Jesus also warn us to be sure to be careful to see the plank in our own eye before we point out the speck in our neihbor’s?

          • gatekeeper96740

            If you read the entire piece that I wrote that was included. The movie is still garbage.Period.

          • Planner 922

            The New Testament is in your Bible isn’t it? Then read it to find the reference. Jesus tells the questioners that if they believe it to be wrong to eat meat on on certain days and they eat it, it’s a sin. You seem to pick and choose what you want to believe. So do not see the film, but do not presume to preach to others.

          • gatekeeper96740

            Not Jesus. Paul said that and he was referring to not being a stumbling block to your brother.

            Romans 14:23 ►
            http://biblehub.com/romans/14-23.htm

            Jesus said it isn’t what goes into his mouth but what comes out of it that matters…………….I wasn’t preaching . I stated I had no intention of going to this garbage movie and stated the reasons why.Reasonable logical reasons . Never once have I written any advice for anyone nor attacked anyone . Anyways done

          • Planner 922

            Wrong passage, but you are at least reading. My comment is just to get you to understand that Jesus did not point out people as “Evil” or sinful. He pointed out actions as being wrong or misguided. You cannot know what is in the heart of another. You have no idea that someone doesn’t love The Lord as much as you do. You do not know.

          • gatekeeper96740

            Once again I have never done any of the things you have accused me of nor have I attacked you as you have done to me several times.

            I said people said the movie was horrible and I am not going. Then I described the movie. That is all I have said. The rest of your diatribe makes no sense.

          • gatekeeper96740

            Hollywood is liberal and everyone knows it. It is famous globally for it’s degeneracy. Both facts.
            So it produces a degenerate Noah film …..as a matter of course.
            The film is garbage. Period.

            Although people flocked to see it, tons of them said, the movie was horrible.
            I am won’t waste money on ANYTHING Hollywood makes. Period.
            I truly hope Hollywood goes bankrupt.
            ……..case closed
            http://patdollard.com/2014/03/

            Say Hi to Valery Jarret, she is in Hollywood right now BEGGING them
            to put Obama care into every show they have… that’s how liberal they
            are…….

            Go see God’s is not Dead it is a better movie.

  • DRC Galleries

    Alright I will go see it only because I’m obligated to see a new movie every month in a theater and I get reimbursed for the expenses of seeing it. Then I will come back here and give you an honest opinion about how much it’s a distraction from the truth, instead of relying on others opinions that I trust. But something coming from the director of Black Swan isn’t leaving me very optimistic. As an artist working from scripture I would never deny the using the name of ‘God’ or manifest some strange ‘rock people’? If a number of the things that I’ve heard from trustworthy sources that have seen the movie are accurate I will be highly disappointed and offended.

    • LisaG

      I saw the movie last night, your expectations are spot on.

  • http://www.about.me/coreymolinelli Corey J. Molinelli

    Ill base my choice not to see it on the directors own comments about the film….

    Darren Aronofsky, who blatantly admits about the movie “Anything you’re expecting, you’re f**king wrong,” and “Noah is the LEAST BIBLICAL film ever made.”

    He also admits that this film has nothing to do with the real reason God flooded the earth….. but has to do with his own liberal beliefs and environmental view points.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Actually that’s a misquote. The original source is an article in the New Yorker where he uses the “least Biblical film ever made” as in comparing it to classic “sword and sandal” epics. His statement was about making something unexpected and different from the typical films done of that time period. Quite different than the way people are using it.
      Hope that helps Corey.

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  • Peter D. Blair

    How about you pay for my ticket, so I don’t have to pay to see an anti-god pro enviormentalist movie.

    • Birdie Golden

      Yeah…I hate the environment too. Totally un-godly?

      Peter, sarcasm aside, it makes me sad that some people seem to have this strange notion that somehow the environment and God are disconnected from one another.

      Be a steward of this Earth. It was a gift to us and should be cherished and preserves, not use up and destroy in the name of some incredibly selfish interpretation of God.

      • Peter D. Blair

        First off madam hippie, we weren’t destroying the Earth like this shame of a movie implies. God flooded the Earth because man was perverted with lust for the flesh of sex, the blood of war, and the blindness of drink.
        Second, When mother Earth, God, the Great Spirit or whatever gets tired of us she’ll shake us off like a dog shaking fleas.
        The bible says that God told man that the Earth and the animals on it were his to consume and use for his survival. Not exactly ECO-friendly words there Buddha.
        So if I need to burn coal, wood or oil to stay warm, or eat animals to stay alive is that ok? According to the bible it is.

        The Earth continually heals and replenishes itself. Animals multiply, trees and plants bear fruits and vegetables, clouds form from the ocean and rain drops form rivers that feed all life over and over again.

        We can respect the planet that God gave us without destroying his message to do it.

  • BabyGirlie

    I doubt I’ll hand my $$ over to watch heresy. This reminds me of Christians who “need” to watch porno to understand what the issue is all about. Horse feathers.

  • Marion Pyle

    Phil, thank you for this thoughtful post. I thought you made very good points. I’m excited to see more productions with Biblical themes and let’s look for the good where it’s to be found. If we can be helpful and not hateful, maybe we can have a seat at the table to help influence content and make it better over time.

  • tf88

    I just want to make a point that we use other (definitely not Biblically inspired) movies for Bible Studies/Group Discussions/Sermons; so how is it that a Biblically inspired movie is getting such harsh criticism? I think we have our priorities backwards. I for one am excited to see this film and the discussions that will be sparked because of it!

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    As His ambassadors, we true Christians need to THINK and ACT as Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel when they declared as one, “Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel.” (Ezra 4:1-3) Discerning Christians are upset with this movie effort because it does NOT represent our God nor His reason for the sending His judgment upon the old earth. And, just like the enemies of Zurubbabel, they wish to “partner” with us in building an evangelistic tool – all the while subverting the Gospel and doctrines of God.

  • True2theDivine

    Rock monsters. Machines. Smoke stack buildings. That movie is a slap in the face of the Christians who adore and cherish their faith and is a slap in the face to the human race that dare have a faith. It clearly is agenda driven and I may not be a christian but I will stand against any intolerance at all against any faith whatsoever. Because I have a faith. And how long before they start attacking mine? If I don’t stand up for the ones being attacked now, who will stand up with me?

  • Scott100

    I just want to make a quick point. The media is EXTREMELY HAPPY for BOTH sides to this argument. They are COUNTING on the CONTROVERSY to boost ticket sales. YOU SHEEP are ALL doing EXACTLY what THEY are MANIPULATING YOU to do. BAAAAAAAAA !!!! WAKE UP !!!!!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Right on.

    • gatekeeper96740

      Yes the controversy is working so well that people I talked to said “Yeah we heard it was garbage and we are not going to see it.” I see how that works well for them. Not.

    • Mollie

      It is a ‘movie’ with the intent to entertain and sell tickets. How many movies do we see that are actually 100% based on fact? Not many! We don’t know the real story of Noah so it is open to human interpretation and that is what this movie is doing. The hate that it is conjuring up is more harmful than the movie ‘itself’!

  • Jim A

    As I have not seen the film, I cannot comment specifically about it at this time.

    However, the following (which I wrote after going to see “The Son Of God” film at my local cinema last month) is (in my view) applicable to all film derivations from Scripture.

    If you are the type of person who likes paraphrases (very loose, highly embellished, albeit relatively well done, somewhat emotional, and occasionally heart-wrenching paraphrases), and do not put much credence in the absolute truth, timeless verity, and holy, inerrant inspiration of the word of God, then go to see this film.

    If, however, you know Scripture well, and cringe each and every time one takes liberty which such (even well-intentioned liberty), then avoid this film like the plague.

    While I certainly found portions of the film very emotional and faith-inspiring, overall I was sadly disappointed. In my view, there is no substitute for the eternal and inspired word of God, all the best intentions of the world notwithstanding.

    The greatest tool of the devil has always been to cast doubt on God’s word. Sadly, he has so many allies in our culture and media.

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  • Yoshiyahu

    I
    think this is extremely passive and weak when talking about the word of
    God and the way in which the Bible, God, and a biblical figure such as
    Noah are portrayed to the world. This movie paints Noah as a murderous
    psychopath and replaces God with magic. Saying that this movie is a good
    thing because it’s a biblical story getting out there is like saying
    that Atheists going on TV and slamming and condemning Christians is a
    good thing because it gets people talking.

    I
    don’t think that anyone who calls themselves a Christian should support
    the heretical and blasphemous endeavors of an outspoken, card-carrying
    Atheist and his movie that seeks to do anything but depict Noah, God,
    and the Bible in the most negative light possible, in any way, let alone
    financially.

    • Terry Olson

      What in the movie did you see that “paints Noah as a murderous psychopath?” I haven’t seen it yet, but what I’ve see so far doesn’t show me that.

      • Lewis Beeler
      • justweighingin

        I HAVE seen it (and liked it) and did not see Noah painted as a “murderous psychopath”. I saw a man (a human man) trying to deal with and understand the mission he had been set forth by God to do….as God planned to essentially wipe the human race from the planet. I found Noah’s subsequent response to this compelling. Lots of post movie religion based discussion ensued between mostly agnostic individuals. Dialog should always be welcome.

        • Terry Olson

          So far whenever I asked someone what in the movie gave them a certain conclusion, all they’ve done is send me someone else’s opinion . . . and only one opinion (Glen Beck), and one that many evangelical leaders I respect disagree with. So this whole discussion has been turning my stomach. I am really saddened when a brother or sister gets all upset over something that is just hearsay! I guess it is like in the days of Noah – very little integrity around.

  • bryhudso

    This film has as much to do with the Bible as “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” (Remember the Ark of the Covenant?). Films like Noah make the Bible unnecessary as a basis of truth. They just made up a story without regard to the spirit and letter of the text. This happens all the time with Hollywood films “based on a true story.”

    In this film, Noah is portrayed as an obsessed maniac. The so-called “Creator” (God) killed everyone/everything in order to save the environment and the animals.

    In my opinion, Christians that overlook all the made-up stuff and misrepresentations of truth in order to endorse the film are looking for some kind of “bump” in their own marketing, web traffic, revenue, etc. If you want to see the film, go see it, but let’s not presume it has anything to do with the redemptive purposes of God through Christ. Again, a couple of Indiana Jones films were also based on “biblical” themes. How is the “Noah” film any different?

    When it’s all said and done, we’re talking about Hollywood and ticket sales. They want high profile and celebrity Christians to drive regular Christians into the theaters to buy tickets. Please don’t pretend this film will cause people to read and trust the Bible.

    • Simon Dillon

      Actually, after seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark as a child, I scoured the entire Old Testament for any and all stories about the ark of the covenant.

      • bryhudso

        Thanks for your response: Indiana Jones’ Ark of the Covenant and Hollywood’s Noah are both fictional creations and a mockery of the Bible, in my view. Makes me sad that we attach spiritual/biblical significance to these movies. I knew a guy who found “biblical” messages in the Matrix trilogy. In our current shallow Christian culture, who can say he’s wrong?

        • Simon Dillon

          Indiana Jones is, of course, nonsense – but of the best possible kind.

          My point was that seeing a fictional film made me want to discover the truth about the Ark of the Covenant by reading the Bible. Can you at least concede it’s possible this Noah film might do the same for other impressionable eight-year olds?

          As for your guy who found Biblical themes in The Matrix, God forbid anyone should interpret a work of art any other way than the way you see it.

          • bryhudso

            God uses all kinds of things to get people’s attention. The Noah film IS a work of art…no doubt. Using your standard, who is to say that Indiana Jones or anything else is “nonsense.”
            I prefer to keep biblical truth separate from entertainment and not “spiritualize” this kind of stuff. Again, all this is really about promoting a movie and tickets sales.
            For some eight year olds, some of the scenes in Indiana Jones would cause nightmares…not lead to the fear of God.
            BTW: Everyone is obviously free to do whatever he/she chooses and interpret movies/art accordingly.

          • Simon Dillon

            I completely agree re: Indiana Jones being scary/gruesome, but more for adults than children in my experience. I wasn’t in the least bothered by Raiders/Temple of Doom as a child, but now I think they are genuinely horrifying in places (I still love them though). My children laugh at me and tell me I’m a wuss, but obviously every child is different and some don’t have such robust temperaments :)

    • Terry Olson

      Have you seen it already? How do you know the claims you are making about it? They don’t seem to jive with the trailers I’ve seen.
      I have friends who became believers, one after seeing Jesus Christ Superstar and one after being in Godspell. Both are creative stories based on the Bible, but not Bible stories. I’m glad they came along and introduced my friends to Jesus so that they could then start growing by reading the Bible.

  • http://rodpitts.wordpress.com/ Rod Pitts

    As a serious follower of Christ, I believe there is nothing wrong with watching this movie. Just like you stated, it will be epic and get people thinking about a biblical story.

    The article became a little less serious, though, as I was reading and reached point five. To say that “Son of God” was ‘close to the text’ and ‘accurate’ is laughable. Just like the Bible series, there were so many discrepancies, artistic liberties, and extra-biblical information with the movie. I understand no one will get it completely right, and it is okay to take some artistic liberties to get people thinking about parts where the Bible is silent. But when you take parts that are clearly laid out in Scripture and completely change them… let’s be real.

  • Lindsay

    I don’t understand why you’re saying that we should be supporting a Christian professional that is trying to make a difference when the director of this film is an atheist. Not to mention they totally skewed the idea of sin to make it into mistreating the environment. This is a bigger problem than just “some” of the aspects of the story not being 100% accurate.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I didn’t ask you to do that in this post.

  • Gustavo

    Indeed I haven’t watched it yet, but I think that this text doens’t understood the problem that are all talking about. What I’ve saw, is that when you make a movie like that, you are telling stories that doens’t exist. You are not telling Noah’s story, but one you’ve made. But what is really dangerous, is how u will present God’s decisions, transforming the story in a reason for people to belive that God is evil, and doens’t like human kind. I’ve read that they made Noah look like a psychopath, trying to kill his Own family, and I sincerely couldn’t understand how this can be inspired by Biblie, or how this can be useful for those who doesn’t have a chritian near by to tell then the real story.

  • Nicole

    Paul said that even the wrong discussion of Jesus was better than none and that the Holy Spirit will use it for good. So how is this movie any different? God used an unbeliever to make it, like He did in the bible for tons of things. And at least it is getting people talking about God again, So critical and unbible based is the condemnation and hatred for this movie. Grace and faith in God…God can use this movie to plant seeds. You can not understand that because your faith is little and your hearts are hardened because you do not remember the miracles he has done in your life.

    • LisaG

      If that were true, people would be running to the bible to read the accurate account. I pray to God that they are doing just that.

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    Oh-my-goodness… I am so sick of hearing so-called “Christians” rip this movie apart because it’s not completely accurate. So what??!!! Get over it… If you don’t like it, don’t go see it!!! & for the nutz that keep quoting Revelations about people going to hell for changing scripture… You’re taking things waaaaaaay out of context. I mean if that’s the case then any publisher that’s ever re-written the Bible is in trouble. How many different versions (i.e. KJV, NLT, NASB, etc.) have been written since the Bible’s original origin?? So, an artist or film director can’t take the same liberties to create a work of art? They’re not changing the scriptures they’re just interpreting it differently. I just think people look for reasons to complain. I mean if you’re so “solid” in your faith then what are you worried about?? Why does this film bother you so much? (maybe some people need to ask themselves those questions)

    Since when do we condemn people who don’t believe exactly what we believe or do things how we would do them?? What a miserable existence that must be… instead of being so negative & pushing hatred why not cover the directors & producers & actors in prayer? Why not create a series about Noah in your church & encourage people to watch the film but also follow-up & show people the “real” story behind the film?

    As for me, I can’t wait to see it! I think it’s freakin awesome!!! Much love to all the actors & directors/producers.

    • LisaG

      Your comments indicate condemnation toward Christians. My only problem is that I don’t want non-Christians to think this is based on the Biblical narrative and I would have appreciated the movie more if I had been better prepared for its “creative licenses”. I accept some deviation for the sake of story but this movie alters the story by changing the what little we do know about the character of the man and the meaning of the event.

    • Lewis Beeler

      Rock people. Nuff said.

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  • Lynda

    It’s only a movie? It may be the one movie that certain someone goes to see because they haven’t read the bible story, or perhaps they would like an outlook on it from the audio-visual aspect. And yes we love that Paramount is producing a movie based on a Biblical story. And YES it is Paramount’s 100% responsibility to be completely accurate when portraying a movie that may or may not persuade one’s position in their walk with God. That fact that this article above is attempting to persuade readers into thinking it’s ok to throw some extras into a movie that is “based” off a magnificent book in the bible, is wrong. It’s not ok to change God’s word, it’s also not ok to make a movie that would have someone believe anything other than what’s in the bible. Whether you are a Christian or not, read the story of Noah in the bible first, before going to see this movie. Then read Revelations 22:18-19 and determine for yourself. Everything you do, say and produce Paramount Pictures, has an effect on every viewer, be responsible and lead others in a way that encourages and uplifts :) God Bless :)

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke
    • Alan Hawkins

      Lynda this eval sounds more Muslim the Christian. Our holy book is available to those who don’t revere it. Don’t be afraid of their imagination. Don’t be afraid of obscuring God’s voice he is able to speak louder than the movie. Don’t be afraid. And the Revelation passage applies to messing with the imagery of Revelation not to every book in the Bible. That passage was not attached to the Bible just to one book.

    • Miss Diane

      You need to go read what Glen Beck had to say about it . I will wait till it comes on HBO and save my money !

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  • Jeff Dancz

    Apostle Paul said this:

    Philippians 1:18

    18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

    Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

  • farmerswife14770

    Knowing that the director is an atheist makes me think twice about supporting his ‘Biblical’ movie. I’d rather support a ‘secular’ movie instead of one that is not Biblically accurate.

    Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are TRUE, whatsoever things are HONEST, whatsoever things are JUST, whatsoever things are PURE, whatsoever things are LOVELY, whatsoever things are of GOOD REPORT; if there be any VIRTUE, and if there be any PRAISE, think on THESE things.

  • drmark920

    REVIEW OF NOAH MOVIE
    I am sorry to disagree with Phil. I have seen the movie. My simple review is… The movie is
    dark, depressing and a total departure from the Biblical narrative. My
    recommendation for people of faith is don’t waste your money and subject
    yourself to an atheists anti-biblical offensive joke of a production.
    My recommendation for my friends who are not in the faith community-
    don’t waste your money and 2 1/2 hours of your life on it. I REALLY
    wanted it to be good. I had high hopes for it even though the
    writer/producer is an atheist. After all, he made some popular films
    and they spent $125 million just produce it. But this was boring,
    sick, unbelievable and cheesy. If we are to send a message to Hollywood then it must be more than “produce movies for us.” It must also be… don’t insult our faith with a movie like this.

    • jasmin

      I so agree with you why should we spend our money to see a film that is deliberately promoting falling angels.I beleive we must send a message to Hollywood to say dont give us any garbage for the truth.We need to stop comprimising in the name of Love,love speak truth,not lies.

  • secularNoahsink

    @Jeff Christ isn’t preached in this movie, so that scripture didn’t apply, apparently God is not even mentioned, but fallen Angels help build the ark. None of these biblically silent possibilities are possible for this foolish to imagine they are. This movie wad written and directed by satan for a world ready to be deceived.

  • jewlzee

    Phil, you’re suggesting that we use this movie as a witnessing tool. But that’s defeating the purpose of witnessing to someone when you have to take time to discuss how the entire movie is wrong and unBiblical. There is a new and better and more important movie out right now that should be used as a witnessing tool and that’s “God’s Not Dead”. I believe this “Noah” movie will try to be a distraction from this more important movie, “God’s Not Dead”. I believe that’s what Satan wants. It’s no coincidence that it’s coming out around the same time. I will not waste my time or money to go see “Noah”. I’ll wait to spend a $1 at Redbox to see it and critique it, etc… My money will go to support “God’s Not Dead”, a movie that can actually make a Biblical difference in someone’s life.

    • jewlzee

      Glenn Beck Saw ‘Noah’ Over the Weekend, and He’s Calling It the ‘Babylonian Chainsaw Massacre’

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Go for it. Absolutely use “God’s Not Dead” to share your faith. But the truth is, hundreds of thousands more will see “Noah” so let’s be ready for both.

      • jewlzee

        Oh I’ll be ready for it if anyone comes to me with confusion and questions. All I need to do is show them in the Bible what’s accurate, etc… Plus, I might spend a $1.20 from Redbox to review it in my own home but they won’t get $10 from me at the theaters. The problem you need to think about is the 1,000′s and 1,000′s of people that have no clue about what the Bible teaches and won’t even bother questioning it. What are you going to do to help those lost souls?

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          That’s a great question jewlzee, and from my perspective, that secular audience already has distortions about the Noah story (if they know it at all). Plus, the major themes are in the movie – God’s judgement and justice, man’s sin, and God’s mercy. I worry less about peripheral elements like rock people or Tubal Cain on the boat. Our salvation doesn’t rest on them – it rests on the mercy of God.
          Good question and thanks for asking!

          • jewlzee

            Thanks and you’re welcome. That’s why I can’t and won’t support movies that go way over to the left too much with adding craziness. It doesn’t bother me when a movie might add or take away from the Bible a little bit even though God says not to do that, but they took it too far, way too far. The important elements get lost. As a Christian, and in my little opinion, I will not support or agree with a movie like this bc of the confusion and lies it will teach those that are lost/unsaved. The Devil, too often, wants us to just sit back and accept and not make a big deal about something that might not be “so bad” but I can’t and won’t do that. Too much of that is happening these days with “little things”. Where will it end if we keep letting things slide? It will just get worse and worse if we don’t take a stand for so called peripheral elements that are really much larger than peripheral. Satan wants us to think those elements are just peripheral, which obviously they’re not or none of this controversy would be happening. I personally am tired of accepting things that aren’t so bad when in reality and in the long run they will be so bad.

  • Monika Lynch

    Oh my Goodness,get of it People,it is a Movie.I am a Christian praise the LORD,and i am going to see the MOVIE ”NOAH”.It does not say,”NOAH OF THE BIBLE”’.I have been wondering for a long time about certain things to do with Noah and the Ark,i know GOD TOLD NOAH TO BUILD THE ARK ,TAKE HIS FAMILY AND ANIMALS TWO BY TWO AND STAY THERE TILL HE GETS A SIGN.AMEN. I don’t think that GOD is getting upset about the Movie,like PHIL says,it get’s People talking about GOD AGAIN.We do not know Noah and never met him,Noah was a Man of GOD and i am certain that he was a good ,loving and kind Man.So go and enjoy the Movie,dust of your Brains and start thinking and taking part in the conversation.Thank you so much Phil Cooke and GOD BLESS YOU,

    • Lewis Beeler

      Rock people, ROCK people! Oh, and a homicidal lunatic for a hero. YAY!!!!

    • Kat B

      Thank you Monika; YES it is JUST A MOVIE! Take it as such people. YES I am a Christian and Yes I want to see it, even after all the negative comments listed here. I don’t expect any movie made to be true to its roots. It’s entertainment, pure and simple. And another comment issued went for the fact that at least it should get people talking about GOD and the BIBLE again. And that I think is what GOD would want.

  • Davidabear

    Hey fellow Christians! In love, I would have to submit that scripture is full of commands that would suggest we don’t see this movie (and a lot of other movies for that matter) (Philippians 4:8, Colossians 2:8, 1 John 2:15-17) . Personally, I love and honor God too much to allow any person to take “artistic license” with His word. I think it’s dangerous and deceiving. I think it’s also dangerous for anyone to tell other Christians to go see it (James 3:1, 1 Corinthians 8:9, Mark 9:42). I know some of you might be coming to this site in order to seek justification for seeing the movie, but be careful! Choose the narrow path my brothers! Read your Bibles!!

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    • Margiebea

      Everyone needs to be led by the Spirit of God whether or not to see the movie. There could be one part in this film the Holy Spirit wants you to see that could change your entire life. God can use anything to speak to you, even a donkey, a magazine, a billboard. If eternal life comes to one soul from watching this movie it would have worth it all. Christ paid the ultimate price, if the millions of dollars it took to produce this movie could bring only one to salvation wouldn’t you have wanted that one person to be you?

      • Davidabear

        Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God. This is not the word of God. Be very careful lest you deceive yourself. I believe that God uses His word to convict people of sin and leads them to the cross for salvation, forgiveness, repentance, and sanctification. I submit to you that God’s word is emphatically clear about these types of issues. Eternal life comes by one way only…Jesus Christ, and He is absent from this film. In fact, the ark is supposed to be a representation of Jesus. If anything, the Holy Spirit should be telling you to stay away! The only reason I could possibly come up with to see the movie is pastor Derrick’s comment above regarding educating his youth group on the fallacies of the movie. However, you don’t even need to do that. Plenty of brothers and sisters in Christ have already seen it and given ample reason for not supporting the film.

  • Miszissipi

    I agree with Mr. Cooke, although I haven’t seen the movie, yet anything taken out of the Bible is a good thing!As a former art student ( who now have become a pastor) I understand as a filmmaker, one needs to make bold moves and choices as to present a movie, in order for the movie to be enjoyable and this is what the director had done, and fyi, he directed award nominated movie and I believe he strived to maintain his artistic style to it. As to whether it interpreted the Bible correctly, I won’t even go there. Why? Because no matter what you believe, whether you’re an atheist or a believer or even a Muslim, when you get your hands on the Bible, it truly shows that the Bible is undeniably powerful!!

  • J

    “…Paramount values the Christian audience and wants to work with us.”

    You, sir, are a special breed of stupid

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks J. Since you’ve never met anyone there, or know what their motivations are, I’ll stick with my position!

  • Sandee Sutphin

    http://travelwithcyrus.com/2014/03/28/why-russell-crowes-film-noah-has-touched-my-heart-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/

    DO NOT FILL THE COFFERS OF THIS MOVIE W/ ONE CENT OF YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY! If you forego reading this review, let me spell out only a couple of reasons why, in addition to the Director being an Atheist and stating, it was his goal to make the least Biblical movie possible.

    http://travelwithcyrus.com/2014/03/28/why-russell-crowes-film-noah-has-touched-my-heart-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/
    ” The film promotes Evolution instead of Creation!!! How is this even possible in a Biblical movie? Noah sits down to share the story of creation to his family once again and the film shows how creatures of the ocean appeared, eventually turned into lizards, dinosaurs, apes, and finally humans. Nowhere does it mention that man was created in God’s own image.

    The main builders of the ark are angels who fell from heaven and became giant rock creatures!”

  • Lewis Beeler

    Phil, “rock people” and “homocidal Noah.” When you state that its not 100%, you must be like joking or something or on drugs or just a shill for the corporations that let you on set. You should have had the manhood to tell them then and there that it was a horrible idea and to change the script. Dont push junk movie making just because you were on set.

  • Ace Caraballo

    I haven’t seen the movie yet, but upon hearing that such movie came out, I opted to see the trailer of it. I will see the movie when it posts in netflix just to c it in its entirely to analyze it n discuss it in church. The prince of darkness will have one os its agencies to create n promote these types of films just to communicate error n doubt n somehow cast doubt on the inspiration of God’s word. He knows he has but a short time left so he will try to bring as many as he can. I would suggest reading the book Patriarchs n Prophes, it has a great chapter on what really happened.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/user/HuwReesMusic Huw Rees

    This is nonsense.
    “2…they used a disclaimer.” So? That doesn’t mean anything – what about the disclaimer at the start of Dogma?
    4. This strays so far from the Biblical account of the flood, it would have been far better to give the protag a different name and forget about any Biblical basis. “Extra-Biblical content” can be ok – take Ben Hur, but still true to the Bible. This completely changes it, and hijacks it to peddle a really weird ‘green’ agenda, nothing more.
    “5. Our expectations may be unrealistic.” Even Bruce/Evan Almighty had ‘God’ in them, and they were pisstakes! Noah doesn’t even have God in it.
    “6…to promote a Bible story” – see point 4. Also, they are purely doing it to make money. Surely that’s obvious.
    7. One can share the good news of Christ without using a movie that
    seeks to skew the Word. Like you said – “it’s just a movie” after all…
    “8. It’s only a movie.” So…pornography is just videos? 50 Shades of Grey is just a book? That is NOT the outlook Jesus wants us to have.
    9. We need to protect the world from misrepresenting Jesus, and especially children from such indoctrination.
    “…damaging their ability to make change happen.” Seriously? You would see an industry misinform people about God just because you think there’s a chance of a few people changing it? “Seek ye first the kingdom of God…and the rest shall be added unto you.”

    I have never heard of you, thank goodness. But these arguments of yours are completely illogical and quite frankly dangerous. You need to go back to God’s Word to see how He wants you to deal with this movie – don’t be relying on your own understanding. Which, as it seems, sucks.

    Sort yourself out mate.

    Huw

    • Kathy Parrott

      Thank you for your response! You said exactly the words I wanted to say to this man. This is a wolf in sheeps clothing and he’s trying to fool people into thinking that this is ok. We are living in perilous times and this kind of person scares me. Thanks again!

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        No trying to fool anyone Kathy. I have no issue with anyone’s problems with the movie. I certainly have mine. All I’m asking is that we actually see it before we trash it. If we really want to change Hollywood (and the gospel calls us to that) criticizing without knowing what we’re criticizing doesn’t help. I assume you don’t criticize your pastor’s sermons before you hear them. I simply suggest we know what we’re talking about first – then we can criticize all we like.

        • Chris N April Thomas

          Phil, you are missing one tremendous point. To see the movie is to pay. To pay is to financially support the director (atheist), the actor, and their beliefs. There is no justifiable Biblical reason to do so. You are stating a personal opinion devoid of Scriptural facts.

          As a Christian and a pastor, I cannot financially support a “Bible based” movie by a self proclaim atheist who’s last movie glorified lesbianism.

          You are exactly right that I do not know what is in the movie, but I have done enough research about the director and the actor to know that I do not need to see the movie based on their fruits.

          “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?” (Matthew 7:15,16)

          The one good thing I will say about this particular movie is that there are Christians coming out in a unified force to finally say enough is enough, we will not allow Hollywood or any other compromising believer debase the Biblical idea of truth and justify it.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            I have no problem with that at all Chris – and I’m not missing that point. Absolutely don’t go if you’re uncomfortable. My beef is with leaders who are mounting petition drives and boycotts – without seeing it. I believe it really hurts our witness to be dishonest about what we’re talking about. If we’re going to change Hollywood (or anyone else) we have to have integrity before we mount a national campaign against something.
            But personally – I agree with you about not going if you’re not comfortable.

          • Dawn

            One really doesn’t have to see the movie to understand that an atheist has made a comment that he is going to make this movie the most Unbiblical biblical movie ever!! He is using the bible to draw people in and he is making a mockery of God’s people by taking such a powerful story and perverting it!! Plain and simple; I do not have to smoke meth to know and understand what it will do to me!!!! That is utterly ridiculous!! God warns His people to AVOID even the APPEARANCE of evil!!! OH, and the disclaimer…that’s an even bigger JOKE!! How long has there been a “disclaimer” on cigarette packets??? And yet how many people are STILL picking them up EVERY DAY????
            I really do not mean to be disrespectful, this just really makes no since to me to ENCOURAGE people to go and see this movie. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t agree with boycotting it either…I mean, lets be realistic! When we as Christians do things like that we are just giving free publicity to things like that, I just believe that as a Christian, we should allow the Holy Spirit to help us to make good decisions on how to handle things like this.

          • cdrdave

            Phil, that IS THE POINT. You’re missing it. Christian leaders SHOULD encourage a boycott of the film because of its intentional dishonest presentation. This film serves only two purposes: To make the director money, and to misrepresent (as much as possible) the Gospel. To quote my young teenager…. “/facepalm.”

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Not sure you’ve seen this interview with the writer, and a some Christian leaders who support the movie, but it might give you some insight on the writer and director’s intention:
            http://philcooke.com/first-look-christian-leaders-speak-noah-movie/

          • Andrew Somers

            “As a Christian and a pastor, I cannot financially support a “Bible based” movie by a self proclaim atheist who’s last movie glorified lesbianism.”

            Seriously? I do not believe you, Chris Thomas. I do not believe these to be the words of a Christian, much less a pastor. Passing harsh judgement on somebody simply due to their lack of faith? That seems incredibly UN-christian to me. What happened to “Love thy neighbor”?

            I have to wonder if you even read the article above, or if, like this movie, you simply assumed that it would be full of hubris and atheist propaganda. Phil Cooke makes valid points in his article about why Christians should see this movie. As a pastor, someone called by god to share his word, I would think it your duty to see this film even if you only did so in order to discuss it with your congregation, as Phil Cooke suggested.

          • Chris N April Thomas

            Andrew, to love the neighbor does not mean accepting the sin. That is where so many of us get it wrong. In fact, when Jesus made that particular statement, he was quoting Leviticus 19:18. Interestingly enough, in Leviticus 19:17 we find that we must rebuke the wrong doings. As far as judging….the director called himself an atheist and his last movie was “Black Swan”.

  • Pastor Derrick

    As a youth pastor, I will be seeing it. Not because I think it will be a good Bible based story, but because many of my students will, or already have, seen this movie, mainly because of the star power. I will not talk about this movie during youth group, but will discuss with the ones who have seen it to discuss biblical truth. I took my students to see God’s not dead and had some great discussion about the pros and cons of it. This one seems too off base to promote as a tool for ministry, but I do see some great conversation coming because of it.

  • katsback

    I dont believe god would have picked noah to do the job he did ,unless having faith in him to get the job done,and i cant believe noah would kill his family!!

  • katsback

    i think it should be scraped ,and re made!

  • Kathy Parrott

    You are trying to take something that is awful and say a lot of useless words to make it sound ok. You are a wolf in sheeps clothing and I pray that Christians are wise enough to see that. You need God!

    • Davidabear

      We all need God.

  • ChelseyDawn

    You are a joke! So we should give our money to something that rather intentionally attempts to undermine God and take him out of a pivotal event from the Bible?!?! Really?? No. Perhaps you were paid to write this to try and tempt people back to see it, therefore increasing their profits. And, because it is a big budget film and highly advertised, it WILL make profits…just not as much without the funds of us that see through this attempt at mockery. The director is a proclaimed atheist who stated that he intended to make the “least Biblical Biblical film in history” – does that sound like the company REALLY intended to do something about Bible stories and they were “serious” about it?! Not at all. They put someone who has no personal belief in the story or any love for it and had him oversee it. Of course its going to be awful – he wants to prove a point that God doesn’t exist and he’s trying to use film cloaked in the premise of a Bible story to do so. By saying we should support it and that we should financially aid such hypocrisy and anti-God sentimentality you are telling Hollywood that “it’s okay that you mock God, we’re good with that. Bring us more” Pathetic.

  • T.C.

    In response to your #4 when you said we..meaning Christians…should be more encouraging because we asked for this for some time….well no…I’m sure no Christian has ever asked hollywood to make a mockery of our beliefs, the Bible, or God. I am sure we never asked for anything like this and it should certainly NOT be encouraged or supported unless we want more of the same. Which I do not.
    Side note…bringing in rock people undermines the work Noah did, it makes light of the power of God and one’s faith, and Noah’s actions…seriously…no. just no. Not our Noah. Not Noah from the Bible.

    • Dawn

      I agree! 100%!!!

  • Mary-Martha Evtimov

    You can “try” and rationalize the pros of watching this movie but the simple fact is that by doing so, you are supporting a hollywood that allowed an atheist to produce a movie based on a biblical story- which is insane! It’s like a high school dropout producing a movie about medicine…it’s impossible because they couldn’t comprehend or relate to the material. This atheist can’t comprehend or relate to God or his love and you are disgusting for even suggesting that people should support a blasphemous misrepresentation of our loving God……There is no worse sin than to hinder a person from being saved ……I wonder how many unknowing people will be very confused about our awesome God after watching this movie- maybe that’s what you should be worried about !

    • Ash

      Some atheist are extremely well studied in the bible. A large amount of them actually grew up in Christian homes and attended church regularly. Atheism does not equal ignorance. Simply a different outlook than yours.

      • Mary-Martha Evtimov

        @Ash. No one said atheist were ignorant , what I’m saying is an atheist, because one doesn’t BELIEVE, can’t understand the spiritual side of God. They can be STUDIED all they want, but they don’t understand. Plain and simple. This isn’t a different view point !

  • pixiestix28

    Went to see the movie hoping for an epic filim with Russell Crowe. I love all his period films. Plus a couple of epic lines from the previews “I am not alone” and “It’s the beginning”. I am grateful that we saw the movie, because seeing it made me go back and read the story of Noah in the Bible plus even more. But we left disappointed on two key facts I wish they would have stayed with the Bible; the sons all had wives, so there is no way Ham would have left alone after the flood because there is no one else to find to repopulate. Secondly, that the villain made it onto the ark and hid and plotted with son Ham to kill Noah. Not sure about the fallen angels being rock creatures. But was fine with hollywood trying to fill in the time and reading between the lines to make a movie. I thought it was pretty cool to put the animals to a deep sleep which was probably taken from when God put adam in a deep sleep to create woman. The sword of Methusalah probably came from the flaming sword of the angel, God posted at the east of the Garden of Eden. I don’t think the fallen angels were forgiven, but when one of them was about to die, the rock creature asked “God forgive me” and God forgave him and brought them to heaven in their original form. I liked the twin daughters being born whom I thought would be Ham and Japeth’s wives one day since they didn’t have wives when they entered the ark according to the movie not the Bible. It won’t be a movie we’ll buy or probably not even rent when it comes out. But still grateful I saw it. God can use anything for his purpose and glory. God did use a donkey to talk to one of his prophets/disciples. I do believe God will use this movie too, even if that is to get “non-believer” curious enough to pickup the Bible and see how close or how far from the Bible the story is.

  • emergingclarity

    Thank you. A rational voice amidst the chaos.

  • Daffney

    It’s not the movie that’s going to turn people away from Christianity. It’s how Christians are reacting to it. I can’t believe how people are treating the author of this blog, let alone the director of the film. How terribly sad to think a non-Christian might read this and see how people who claim to be Christian are speaking to another fellow Christian. And how Christians are treating the “atheist” director. I thought Christians were called to preach to those people, to love them, not bash them. Don’t want to see the film? Don’t. But don’t be hateful. Pretty certain that is not in the Bible. Thank you Phil for writing this blog and standing up for everyone, sinner or not.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks Daffney. Well said.

      • cdrdave

        Thanks David. Well said.

    • Davidabear

      Hey Daffeny,
      The issue is fellow Christians are called to rebuke each other when we are in folly. Just like you are trying to do in your post. I think we take issue with the fact that the author of this blog is recommending that other Christians go see this movie. I am following my convictions that scripture tells us not to take part in these types of things (see my post below for my reasoning). I would agree that the bible calls us to love people, the first command is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Only this will allow us to love others with a perfect love. This movie mocks God and His word. How then can we be silent? The word says if we deny Him, He will deny us.

      • Mr Atheist

        I love others just fine with out God and I don’t need archaic fairy tales teaching me how to do it.

        • Davidabear

          Yup, you are doing a fantastic job already. Coming to a Christian blog to mock people’s faith. What amazing love you have. You are lost and I’m so sorry. I was once where you are. Confess your sin and trust in Jesus. I will happily pray for you.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Davidabear – thanks for reminding people this is a “Christian” blog. After many of the responses, I don’t think some of my critics would agree…
            :-)
            Thanks for the support!

          • Davidabear

            Hey Phil, no problem. While I adamantly disagree with your reasons for seeing the movie, I wouldn’t call into question your faith. We just have different convictions over this issue.

          • HAB

            You are doing the same mocking. Rather hypocritical don’t you think? Do yourself a favor and stop engaging. It is embarrassing.

          • Davidabear

            How exactly?

    • Mr Atheist

      Christianity does a pretty good job of keeping me away on its own

  • Kat B

    NO ONE, except for GOD knows what really happened on the Ark. I’m sure after being cooped up for that length of time, most everyone was going a little bit crazy. It couldn’t have been an easy time, having to take care of that many animals and cooking for the family. Yes I am sure ‘LIBERTIES’ were taken with the making of this movie. But that happens with ALL movies made. If you don’t agree with ‘WHO’ made this movie or ‘HOW’ it was made, then DON’T go see it.

    • Mr Atheist

      The movie was made by men, not your God. So too was the Bible written, by men, not God. And people make mistakes.

  • T-Mac

    I went into the movie Noah optimistic and I’m not too prudish about Hollywood and Bible movies, I am pretty gracious at their interpretations. I can say that if you want to see a Hollywood version of Noah, this is a great one, as long as you’re not to attached to staying remotely biblical. If you hope to find a biblical telling of the story, this is far, far, far from it. I don’t mind extra-biblical things in a story, such as in The Passion of the Christ, Jesus builds tall table and tells his mother Mary that people will be eating at tall tables with tall chairs, okay, that’s extra-biblical and it’s cute. The things in Noah aren’t like that, they are more in tune with a Sci-fi fiction thriller and some things are actually disturbingly unbiblical. Do I think I violated something or displeased God by watching it, not at all. Did I walk away feeling good about the Noah movie, not even close.

  • Dawn

    This comment is in no way meant to cause an argument. I just politely and respectfully wholeheartedly disagree with taking a biblical story and changing everything about it “just to sell tickets”! God gave a very explicit warning about taking His word and CHANGING it! I believe this is just another New Age attack on belittling and taking away the validity of God and His word!! Exactly WHY does the story need to be changed??? There is NO mention of God in the whole movie. And how can a Christian justify supporting a movie that supports the theory of evolution instead of creationism??? This is UNGODLY and UNHOLY!! I understand about taking liberal creative moves in a story, but there is enough in scripture AND history that could have been researched and added to the story and God would not have had to be removed!!!

    • Marcus Lusk

      “How can a Christian justify supporting a movie that supports the theory of evolution instead of creationism?” SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. You DO NOT speak for all Christians, or even most of them, when you reject science. PLENTY of Christians accept evolution, just as we accept the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 6,000. We are not all close-minded, lockstepping morons. Frankly I am SICK of the idiots giving the rest of us a bad name.

      • Mary G Ferguson

        If a Christian supports evolution, they clearly do not have a firm grasp on the gospel. Truth is truth. Christians have the right to believe whatever they want, but to deny Creation is flat out denying God. I recommend lots of time in prayer for those Christians who pick and choose which parts of the Bible they are going to believe.

        • Marcus Lusk

          Christians who accept evolution are not DENYING there was creation. That’s the whole point. Genesis was written at a time when men believed the Earth to be flat. If THAT was explicitly stated in scripture, would you insist today that it is true? Our planet is round, not flat. THAT is truth. The Earth is 13 billion years old, not 6,000. THAT is truth. The Church MUST adapt to the revelation of scientific fact. It must adapt, or watch itself deteriorate slowly as future generations abandon it. And you Creationists are already doing a pretty good job of turning people off. Most intelligent Christians have no problem wrapping their head around the idea that one of God’s “days” in Genesis could have encompassed billions of years AND the evolution of our species. It doesn’t threaten their faith. Frankly, I think God is a lot bigger than you Creationists seem to be capable of comprehending.

          • JMac

            Unfortunately, Marcus, you have confused evolution with science. Evolution can never be proven because it is a wild speculation about something in the distant past. If you actually utilize the scientific method, observation followed by developing a thesis about said observation and subsequent testing to confirm or deny the thesis, evolution not only can’t be confirmed, it doesn’t even meet basic scientific methods. Not only does evolution fail scientifically, it’s not even a logical assumption based on the evidence we all share. Having studied it over many years, evolution would take far more faith to believe than the straight forward reading of the Bible. I suggest that before you blindly accuse Creationists or others who understand and accept that God wrote truth, not fiction, you actually research evolution and it’s supposed “facts.” You’ll find out that it is woefully lacking in logic, scientific demonstration and is a “just so story” created to discount God and the Bible. The truth is that science confirms what the Bible has already told us, and yes, God was right from the beginning. To feel a need to believe something else simply demonstrates an agenda that elevates man above God. That will never work.

          • Davidabear

            There is no need to convince. The Holy Spirit can take care of that. I am not worried about the church, I am worried about the lost.

      • Davidabear

        Marcus,

        Name calling is proof of ignorance. Just because a bunch of people say that you can be a Christian and also believe in evolution, doesn’t mean they are right. Your use of the word “science” is very loose. The burden of proof is on evolutionists to prove macro-evolution ever took place. A god that uses evolution is not worthy of worship and is not the God of the Bible. Please do not insult me for trusting in the word of God as truth.

        • Marcus Lusk

          “A god that uses evolution?” God CREATED evolution, along with everything else. No, the burden of proof is very much on scriptural literalists, I’m afraid, and unfortunately the geologic record has already proven you fundamentally wrong. The Earth is not 6,000 measly years old, and no amount of wishing or believing will ever make it so.

          • Davidabear

            Marcus,

            Man (not God) created the theory of evolution. Be very careful with what you attribute to God. It breaks my heart how out of touch you are, and judging by your tone, you don’t need a debate, you need the love of Jesus and Holy Spirit. Evolution (along with your harshness see Galatians:5 and Colossians:3) contradicts scripture period. It puts death before sin. As for the geologic column, show me one place it exists on earth. I will agree that facts are facts and they cannot be disputed, but evolution (in the macro form) is not science. It’s a type of religion that takes a greater amount of faith (in my opinion) to believe in.

  • Steve Farless

    I am going to use the movie as an evangelistic tool

  • bryhudso

    Just saw the film Noah. I’m going to post a review on my blog later, but let me say this now: This film has NOTHING to do with the Bible except the name Noah. I would not say that it should not be seen, it is simply not a film to educate people about the Bible or motivate people to trust God and his Word. It’s just a fictional movie. It is no better than “Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark” or other films that pull something from the Bible. In fact, Indiana Jones was better!

    I understand “creative license” but unnecessarily contradicting scripture sends a message… “The Bible is neither relevant nor reliable. Doesn’t matter what it says.”

    1 Pet. 3:20, “To those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water.”

    Gen. 7:13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

    Look at how the movie handled these plainly stated instances.
    Persons on the ark:
    1. Noah
    2. Noah’s wife
    3. Shem
    4. Shem’s wife
    5. Ham
    6. Japheth (a youth)
    7. A stow away from Cain’s line with whom Ham conspired to kill Noah (unsuccessful)
    8&9 Shem’s twin girls (That Noah wanted to kill until he changed his mind)

    There is also the non-trivial issue of the movie writer/director reason for why God destroyed everything:
    Quotes from Noah film:

    “The Creator said that people will be destroyed for what they’ve done TO THE WORLD.” (environment) “The innocent will be saved….THE ANIMALS”

    • Joy Mercer

      Not to argue, but the Peter & Genesis passages aren’t contradicted.
      -
      With Peter, “Persons on the ark” does not equal “saved through water”; because the stow-away dies.
      And although I believe it is implied in the Genesis account, it does not say they were the ONLY people to enter the ark.
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      In other words, the bible states that a group of people entered, it lists eight but does not exclude the possibility of others, and in the NT we read that 8 were brought safely through (therefore everyone presumes that only 8 got on board, but it doesn’t state as much).
      The Bible states that 8 made it through safely.
      In the movie, 8 made it through safely.
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      Also, in the movie, Noah never “wanted” to kill the twin babies (a point his wife makes when she acknowledges how difficult this task has been, letting people die). He believed he was being obedient in only allowing his family on the ark as commanded by God in his vision/dreams.
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      Abraham was instructed to do the same to his own son, and at the last moment God spared him of this act of obedience by providing a sacrifice.
      I saw the knife/baby moment as being very similar to the Abraham/Isaac moment.
      I was impressed they depicted the consternation he felt so vividly.
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      We do not know this account in the movie is inaccurate, although I’ll admit this is not what I believe happened.
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      I’m just hesitant to use the word “contradict” when it clearly does not.
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      As for the environment issue, I believe that God entrusted humanity to be good stewards over His creation. And I believe we have done a poor job of that. Does that mean I’m a Global Warming leftist?
      No.
      I just try to be obedient to Him.
      Sadly, I think many Christians do not care enough about our planet, and I also think they fear doing so out of fear of being labeled a tree-hugger.
      Every generation believes Christ is returning in his/her generation (and so who cares what happens to the planet?), but much to their dismay, they die without seeing His return.
      Even the churches in Thessalonica believed He was returning at that time.
      2,000 years later, at some point, I’m hoping Christians will take ownership of the planet and be responsible stewards of it.
      Because that would be obedient.
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      Did the movie take it too far?
      -
      I’m currently undecided.
      -
      I do believe they took the vegetarian/anti-meat-eating element too far.
      (as well as Lamech’s premature death and the giants & Watchers being morphed into one being instead of the two represented in the Bible)
      -
      [see Gen. 6:1-4 "sons of God" (angels) & "daughters of man" (human girls) procreating to create the Nephilim (giants) and Watchers in Daniel 4:13, 23, and another in that chapter.]

      • bryhudso

        The bible plainly states that eight souls were saved. They were Noah and his wife, their sons and wives. Scripture also accounts for their identity and movements after leaving the ark.

        This is precisely the basis of my concern: People will allow a fictionalized multi-million dollar Hollywood movie to challenge the long established and plain meaning of scripture and make assertions where the scripture is silent.

        I’m not undecided neither about what the Bible teaches nor this fictional movie.

        • Joy Mercer

          I guess my unnecessary response is simple.
          -
          Do you believe in the resurrection of Christ?
          (I presume so, given your apparent loyalty to scripture)
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          Good, so do I, otherwise I’m to be the most pitied among men, right?
          -
          Do you believe in miracles?
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          I presumed as much, since you seem to believe in Jesus and the resurrection.
          -
          (I’m presuming quite a bit, please correct me when I do so in error.)
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          Do you believe Joseph REEEAAAALLY killed a giant?
          This might surprise you, but I ALSO believe Joseph killed a giant, named Goliath.
          -
          The fact is, most Christians are unaware of the additional meanings in the Genesis 6-9 flood accounts and even more so of the extrabiblical material addressing it.
          -
          And although MODERN scholars question whether the “sons of God” (Gen 6:1-4) refer to angels, the history of the church has maintained that position for thousands of years.
          (something I believe you would appreciate, the “long established and plain meaning of scripture,” right?)
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          I would be curious to know what the majority of people believe to be the “long established and plain meaning of scripture.”
          -
          The New Testament writers and early church fathers believed the giants were a factor in this story, and yet everybody is discarding the movie b/c of the “rock giants.”
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          While I don’t think they were “rocky,” per se, the “long established” tradition of the church is that the giants were present.
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          In scripture, they’re called the Nephilim.
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          I would bet that most Christians do not realize this, b/c it’s not something typically taught in Sunday School.
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          They also believed that the angels taught them “forbidden knowledge” (like astrology, metallurgy, cosmetics, etc.)
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          In fact, interesting tidbit, Tertullian believed that women shouldn’t wear makeup, because it glorified the sinful fall of the angels.
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          I personally didn’t care for how the movie handled the sons’ wives thing, either, but I cannot deny, either, that it IS a possible interpretation of the various passages (if seen a bit prophetically).
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          You pointed out what the bible plainly states, and the movie plainly showed those eight souls get saved.
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          And those eight were Noah and his wife, their sons and wives.
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          Maybe the sequel will clear it up when Ham returns to claim his niece for his bride.
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          I don’t think the movie’s intention was to undermine scripture, in fact, I believe they did what they could to uphold it.
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          The only reprehensible aspect I saw was the anti-meat-eating agenda present.
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          I can suffer the morphing of the giants and the angels and overlook the anachronistic death of Lamech, as well as the other creative licenses I disagreed with, but the PETA push was too much.
          -
          Other than that, they did a standup job portraying the non-negotiable aspects of the story as well as attempting to show Noah as a real man facing a great challenge.
          Not perfect, but far better production than most “Christian” movies out there.
          And most “Christian movies” are a bit watered-down to not offend, whereas this movie didn’t shy away from God’s wrath and punishment.
          I was pleasantly surprised to see that.
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          -
          BOTTOMLINE:
          In the end, I trust the New Testament writers and early church fathers over the modern scholars and S.S. teachers who claim to know more than the NT Christians did.

          • bryhudso

            The words “plain meaning” is a term we use in biblical hermeneutics. The methodology for proper interpretation of Holy Scripture is well established by Bible scholars and students of all generations, past and present.

          • Joy Mercer

            I’m not sure what you mean by “we,” but if you mean “biblical scholars,” I think you can count me in that lot, as I have multiple degrees in biblical languages, hermeneutics, and theology.
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            The New Testament writers and early church fathers would have not been shocked by the contents of this movie.
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            The point I was making was that these generations of which you speak, past and present, predominantly have interpreted the Genesis 6:1-4 passage as the movie did.
            Tradition actually resides with the movie’s contents.

          • bryhudso

            The filmmaker made the following statement: “…It was very important to us to do two things at the same time: one was to not do anything which contradicted the letter of the text and the second was wherever we could – without contradicting Genesis – we wanted to break expectations. So we went very deep…”

            As a supporter of the film, how do you explain this “interpretation?”
            Gen. 7:13 “On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, ENTERED THE ARK”.

            Look at how the filmmaker “interpreted” the letter of Genesis 7:13:
            Persons on the ark:
            1. Noah
            2. Noah’s wife
            3. Shem
            4. Shem’s wife
            5. Ham
            6. Japheth (a youth)
            7. A stow away from Cain’s line with whom Ham conspired to kill Noah (unsuccessful)
            8&9 Shem’s twin girls

            I’m asking you, did the movie contradict the letter of the text in violation of their pre-release promotional pledge?

          • Marad

            I haven’t seen the movie as yet. I might, when it comes to DVD.

            I must, however, speak up on your PETA push, as you call it. After Noah and the other inhabitants of the Ark disembarked, they built an altar and offered a sacrifice to YHWH (Gen 8:20-21). In Gen 9, YHWH replies:

            1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them:
            “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
            2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand.
            3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.

            Under the Adamic covenant, man was only allowed fruits, vegetables, herbs, etc. Under this dispensation there were sacrifices, of course, but the meat was totally immolated on the altar; the skins were used for clothing, tents, etc. (Reference Gen 3:21 when YHWH clothed the man and the woman with skins of animals to replace their feeble attempts to cover themselves with fig leaves.)

          • Joy Mercer

            In the movie, eating meat is condemned, which is clearly unbiblical. Noah and his family were told to take animals onto the ark to eat.
            TO EAT.
            The movie depicts the eating of animals as some sort of abominable act, and it doesn’t have the animals sacrificed on this altar of which you speak.
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            Everything you quoted reinforces my entire post.

  • disqus_9Kum238D8y

    I presume this statement was made out of ignorance: ” While it was too late to add it to the film,..”. Films are not “film” anymore. They are digital products that can be added to as easily as you open up a Word document and type in text.
    As for your “logic” in getting people to watch this who won’t believe it, what you’ve basically said is “if Hollywood makes a Biblical movie portraying Jesus as a mass murderer, that’s a good thing.”
    Wait, I think you actually DID say that! “4. For at least a decade, we’ve been asking Hollywood to produce movies based on the Bible.
    Now that they’re doing it, let’s be more encouraging. So far, they’ve
    proven to be serious in the effort, whether they miss the target or not.
    So let’s support it, not stifle it.”
    By the way, I’m not a Bible thumping Christian. I merely believe in logic.
    You appear to be neither.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks – but I understand the process. The movie was already being packaged for international distribution and was locked. The disclaimer discussion was very late in the process, and one of the reasons we were happy with them doing the disclaimer in the advertising is that if it was done on the movie, people would have already paid their money. By putting it on the advertising, people could make a more informed decision before buying a ticket.
      Hope that helped!

  • Joy Mercer

    It sounds like most Christians are upset with movie based off a presumed butchering of the biblical narrative. I would like to offer a Conservative Evangelical’s view after having watched the movie.
    Are there elements which directly conflict with the biblical narrative?
    Yes.
    I counted at least 3:
    1) Lamech’s death took place centuries too early (a decision by the creative team, I presume, to add drama to Noah’s experience as a boy instead of as a grown man losing his father).
    2) The Watchers and Giants seemed to be morphed into one person. In Genesis 6:1-4, the angels who reproduce with humanity produce giant offspring. The Watchers found in Daniel and Enoch (extra-biblical material that New Testament & early church fathers writers quote) are the angels themselves. Again, another creative license, but it doesn’t really undermine the overall story/plot/accuracy.
    3) Pro-vegetarian Noah – passively leaving out Noah’s family eating meat would have been tolerable, but the implied condemnation on those who eat meat (see Noah and the hunters, Ham’s eating of meat on the ark, and lack of the sacrifice at the altar) pushed this issue too far.
    And in this same vein, the Cain descendent seemed to be the more sensible one when it came to human dominion of the earth.
    That about covers it.
    Nearly everything else I saw COULD have happened (though I would argue that many did not).
    If these three conflicts bother you badly enough, avoid the movie.
    If not, go see it and establish your OWN opinion.
    I’m glad I did.
    And for the record, the Peter passage states that 8 persons were brought SAFELY through the flood.
    The stow-away did NOT make it safely through the flood, and as such, there was no contradiction with the biblical narrative.
    The same principle can be applied with the wives.
    I was also thoroughly impressed with how clever they handled views of Creation: natural evolution (atheistic), theistic evolution, and literal six-day.
    I think a person from any one of those camps could walk away pleased with the portrayal of Creation.
    And lastly, anyone who foolishly believes there is no mention of God needs to stop reading whatever they’re reading, because that source is misleading & untrustworthy.
    God permeates this film like few others I’ve seen.
    Noah points out that the Creator began with nothing (and anyone who knows Christian doctrine will recognize the value of creation ex nihilo “out of nothing”).
    They refer to God as “He” numerous times in reference to speaking to humanity, being obedient to Him, etc.
    I was very impressed with how much scripture was quoted in the movie.
    God’s presence is felt more in the movie of Noah than He is the biblical book of Esther (which REALLY doesn’t mention God).
    In other words, not using the three-letter word G-O-D doesn’t seem to be that horrible of a thing, since a book in the bible doesn’t either.
    Could there have been a pro-environmental, PETA, whatever agenda?
    Sure.
    In the end, I saw an amazing opportunity for Christians to have this dialogue:
    “Isn’t it crazy that all those people knew the flood was coming and had no second chance? That’s what I love about Jesus. Another punishment is coming, but we have an opportunity to be rescued, unlike those folks!”
    If they’re going to watch it, it creates an opportunity for me to also do so, become all things to all people, and hope to offer them a message of hope.
    And in case Glenn Beck is reading this:
    I completely agree children shouldn’t watch this for the same reason they shouldn’t watch Harry Potter.
    Read the book first.
    Otherwise, you’ll forever see Daniel Radcliffe as Harry, Rupert Grint as Ron, and Emma Watson as Hermione (or Noah’s daughter-in-law).
    But once they’ve read the stories, seeing the movies offers a more thorough dialogue of the story itself.
    In other words, read the book first, THEN watch the movies.
    Respectfully,
    Tim Mercer (under his wife’s FB account, I think)

    • AD

      So knowing that Noah was a righteous man, he COULD have said that he would kill his newborn grandbaby if it was a girl?

      • Thinkaboutit

        Abraham, a righteous man, was willing to kill his only son to obey God.

        Is it that much a stretch for Noah, a righteous man…but also tired, depressed and burdened with the knowledge that God is destroying humanity for its sin; to snap? To momentarily take it upon himself to enforce what he believed was God’s will?

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Great point. But then again, that would cause us to stretch our thinking. :-)

  • Jayson

    This is a tactic used by mainstream media. It is not new but now has easier access to the public. What happens is, you take a story that is personal to any group of people and twist it to fit your own needs and then tell it to the people and win them over to your side. It is mass propaganda! The interesting thing to keep in mind is that when Christian people say they ‘hate’ the movie, people who are not Christians will watch it too and wonder why. Not that we should not say we do not like it but be sure when you do you list the reasons or start your protest with the reasons and make sure that everyone knows that this is NOT the Bible story. Propaganda is a useful tool and Hollywood knows all about it! And YES, if someone was going to do a ‘serious’ movie about any topic, then they MUST be as close to the truth as possible! There is more than just Christians that should be offended here too! Jews and Muslims also come from the line of Abraham and it is in their Holy texts too. It is not about getting Hollywood to make films, that is what they do, it is about getting them to make them as correct as possible and most of the time, even with Historical epics, they add, change or completely chop up the original story to make it more interesting. This is 99% of the time a fatal flaw and the movie fails.

  • Monique Maryssa…

    Had to share this commentary by my old parish priest, Fr. Ed Fride, who has a Ph.D. in Physics, as well as all his master studies in Theology, which includes an emphasis in Jewish Studies. He’s super orthodox and a extremely thoughtful and deeply spiritual man rooted in scripture. Here’s his take “Since theres ‘s much being said about “Noah”, I thought I’d add my two cents. (SPOILER ALERT)!!! I saw it last night; fortunately since one of my degrees is in Jewish Studies and I had a particular interest in Jewish legends concerning Genesis, there were no surprises. If you went expecting to see a Christian fundamentalist approach to Noah you would obviously be disappointed, but once it was clear that it was a Jewish perspective, immediately obvious from the zohar, then the film should be evaluated from that perspective. From that frame of reference, it was a very well done portrayal of a combination of Biblical and Midrashic views on the pre-Deluge world and on the flood itself, even to the Fallen Angels “being made one with the earth.” That point in particular was intriguing to me because the same legend was used recently in, of all places, “I Frankenstein”, which depicted these rock like creatures who could transform into angelic like beings, who were drafted by St. Michael to help fight the demons and when they were killed, ascended to Heaven in a glorious shaft of blue light. As to all the eco-babble about the film Noah, that’s a gross exaggeration; rape, murder , and other acts of violence were the clear issues, not strip mining. There was a clear revulsion of Noah and his family about eating meat, which was perfectly Biblically appropriate, since the Covenant with Adam forbade it: “I will give you all the plants for food.” Ironically , it was the post-flood covenant with Noah, that subsequently permitted eating meat. Noah’s family’s revulsion to killing animals was not eco-babble veganism but the appropriate response to a covenant still in effect. To appropriately contextualize Noah’s response to his family, think Abraham and the sacrifice of Isaac. He apparently believed he was called to do it because he viewed all people as so wretchedly fallen, his experience of love for the twins and his wife’s argument demonstrated that innocence was possible and their starting over was the better response. If you were open to the Jewish perspective, it was a great film.”

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Great insights Monique. I do know that Darren and Ari looked at the movie from their own Jewish backgrounds and the Misrash was a key part of the storytelling sources they used.

      • Monique Maryssa…

        Glad it could help. I’ve been getting so tired of the naysayers. The way I look at it… there’s 2 choices to make in this life. 1) Create 2) Destroy. The naysayers are destroying a good thing and with little understanding. They are poorly informed. As someone else I know said “It’s been my experience that people, particularly Christians, need to actually go read the first 9 chapters of Genesis before dumping all over the Noah movie. The first covenant God had with humans – was a vegetarian one. Sorry if that makes you angry. But it’s not environmentalist spin – it’s what was written in the bible.” Food for Thought =) Thanks for staying on the side of grace!! BLESS

  • gatekeeper96740

    I went to God’s Not Dead and Loved It!
    Go see the better movie!

  • Lizgraetz

    Thanks Phil for writing such an excellent article and providing an important behind-the-scenes perspective. Your post is balanced, reasoned and, importantly, informed. Hollywood’s dramatising of a spectacular story should not come as a surprise to anyone and we are all welcome to watch/not watch and love/hate it etc. I am, however, so disturbed at the lack of grace and respect extended here. It is fine to take a different view to yours, and even to share that, but the name-calling, fear mongering and school-yard nit-picking here is embarrassing. There is no excuse for the personal attacks shared here. The lack of Christian character displayed by so many suggests that we have a much bigger ‘issue’ on our hands than one film that hasn’t ‘perfectly’ captured a biblical story. If Christians could display grace and love, rather than fear and hate, toward each other, let alone anyone else, we might get somewhere. Thanks Phil for making your voice heard. I’m sure there are many like me who value your insight and understand the difference between a recommendation and a command :)

    • Richard

      Thank you, Liz. The cruel, callous comments are most disturbing. Our words are, after all, a measure of the content of our character.

    • Charlene Armstrong

      Guess I haven’t read far enough down the line, because I haven’t seen any name calling.

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        Keep reading. It’s fascinating.
        :-)

    • Sam

      “hasn’t ‘perfectly’ captured…” It is not even close. Also if Phil is allowed to state his view then so his every other person on here. Whether you agree with them or not they have a right to their opinion and they are just as passionate about their beliefs. I am thankful to see so many standing up for the truth about this film making a mockery of God and Noah.

  • Lynne Everest

    Thanks for the voice of reason – excellent review Mr. Cooke.

  • Davidabear

    So I was reading Morning and Evening by C. H. Spurgeon and part of his devotional reads as follows:
    “No sooner is there a good thing in the world, than a division is necessary. Light and darkness have no communion; God has divided them, let us not confound them. Sons of light must not have fellowship with deeds, doctrines, or deceits of darkness. The children of the day must be sober, honest, and bold in their Lord’s work, leaving the works of darkness to those who shall dwell in it for ever. Our Churches should by discipline divide the light from the darkness, and we should by our distinct separation from the world do the same. In judgment, in action, in hearing, in teaching, in association, we must discern between the precious and the vile, and maintain the great distinction which the Lord made upon the world’s first day. O Lord Jesus, be Thou our light throughout the whole of this day, for Thy light is the light of men.”

    Great advice regarding this topic, wouldn’t you say? And this was written well over 100 years ago.

    • Mr Atheist

      If you need a 2000+ year old book to teach you morals and how to get through the day, then you have a problem.

      • Davidabear

        Nice troll

      • Dave Egerton

        a 2000 year old book that stands the test of time, 44 athors over 4000 years from different languages and walks of life yet all tell the same story. And, we all have a problem that’s why we need the Bible; that’s why we need Jesus who died for our sins…we are all sinners and all unrighteous. Only through His blood can we be declared righteous.

  • Tracy

    These have to be the most ridiculous reasons to watch this movie. I have only seen the trailer and decided just from that, that my family would have no part of this! I can have discussions about Noah’s real biblical story and share my faith without spending my money on and promoting something that is against biblical standards!

    • Mr Atheist

      “Biblical Standards” like Colossians 3:22? The Bible promotes slavery.

      • I Love My Lord

        “Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:”

        Mr. Atheist, please show me where in that verse slavery is promoted. First of all, it says SERVANTS, NOT SLAVES! servants are paid.
        Secondly, the author was speaking more about people under some form of authority, as we all are. Whether it’s parents, the law, your boss, whoever, everyone has authority. He was instructing us to obey God by obeying our authority. We don’t please men first, but God. ‘not with eyeservice, as menpleasers, ‘ it said. We don’t obey our Lord for others to see us, but as respect for him.

        What you said was one of the most twisted versions of a Bible verse I have ever seen.

        • Guest

          I’m sorry to tell you Mr. Atheist, but the Bible specifically FORBIDS slavery. Exodus 21:16 “He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.
          It’s only the gullible who believe only what they’ve heard without bothering to actually check it out for themselves.

          • Mr Atheist

            Older versions of the bible use the word “slave”, all you’te doing is pointing out one contradiction from a book chock full of them

        • Mr Atheist

          Guess your reading a more modern version then, but the one I have says “slaves”.

        • Mr Atheist

          Hah! Just checked on that, you must have the King James or Standard American version of the bible. It says “servants”, but the older versions say “slaves”

      • Deborah

        Often we read one verse in the Bible and immediately think we can make broad statements. Slavery was a part of society in Paul’s time. Paul was the man who wrote the letter to the Colossians. It is estimated at the time when Paul wrote this letter there were 60,000,000 slaves. Paul is not condoning slavery. In fact if you will go to 1 Corinthians 7:21 (but also read the surrounding verses too). you will see where Paul tells Christian slaves to secure their freedom if they can. What he also says, within those verses, is for Christians to remain what they were when they came to faith. Also take time to read Philemon. You will see Paul’s attitude towards slavery. In that letter he speaks of Onesimus who became a son to Paul while Paul was in chains in a Roman prison. Onesimus was a slave. The Bible in no way condones, encourages or promote slavery. It just acknowledges that slavery was a reality at that time.

  • Thaddeus C Thomas

    Matthew 7:15 explains very well about people. Who cares if they claim to be Christian. It says very clearly beware of false prophets who come in sheep clothing. I not saying this person is a prophet, but he is given worldly advice on going to see a mockery of a movie that distorts truth about Noah. They can put all the disclaimers they want. The movie is a mockery. Why is it other religions have come against it and they refuse to see it or even play it in there countries. But Christians will compromise and see it for the star power or digital cinematography. Please give me a break, don’t be nieve in your logic. Compromising will get you to doubt your faith and Forsake everything you know about truth. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the light. No man comes to father but by me. It also says Jesus is the word may flesh. So if that is all true should we see a movie that distorts the Word of God? Think hard before wasting your money.
    God’s not Dead

    • Mr Atheist

      Like there is any “truth” about Noah’s story in the first place.

    • Thaddeus C Thomas

      I want see the movie, but it’s funny how atheist who don’t believe would make a movie on something that didn’t happen. It’s funny how they go to a book that is full fables and get the dimensions of the ark. It’s funny how they research events that happen in that era. But we all know that atheist are always right in there logic and Christian are stupid feeble minded people. We will see.
      God’s not Dead

    • beckmc

      … he’s surely alive!

  • Harlie

    Doesn’t Noah tell the story of evolution in the movie? Good enough reason for me not to see it… I get it’s not going to be completely accurate, kudos to Paramount for trying. But putting the story of evolution in a Christian story is so not okay.

    • Mr Atheist

      Why? Because evolution makes sense?

  • Mr Atheist

    Bwahahahahaha, you believe in a magical man in the sky! So lets just say that the story of Noah actually happened for a minute or two (which it didn’t), since when has any Hollywood movie been accurate to the events/books it was based on?

    • 123

      so Mr Atheist, what’s your proof that it didn’t happen? How would you know? Were you alive back then? because if you were then that’s just miraculous proof of the “Magical Man in the sky.” You can’t say someone’s belief is wrong without giving a reason, otherwise you’re the one who looks stupid.

      • Mr Atheist

        What’s your proof that it did? A really old book? Faith? I beleive the entire world was once covered in water because core samples can confirm, but that was billions of years ago. Maybe a guy who could read weather saw a giant storm coming and built a boat thousands of years ago. But a storm to flood the world… nup, not proven, never happened.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Ah – this conversation is about the Noah movie. I’m wondering if you should take your God/atheism argument somewhere else.
          :-)

          • Deborah

            I agree with you Phil. And I think Christians need to be very careful when we begin a debate with an atheist or any non-believer. I have never met anyone who was argued into faith in Jesus Christ by put downs, name calling, verbal volleyball, etc. In fact my husband came to faith when a young pastor refused to argue with him over anything in the Bible. He simply told my husband, “The Holy Spirit is the one who will lead you into all truth. I am not going to argue with you.”

    • Charlene Armstrong

      …and tell me, Mr. Atheist, if you don’t believe in God, then why does He bother you so much that you would think a movie should be made to tell everyone that He doesn’t exist? What would be the point? Why do you care? What would changing someone’s mind accomplish if we would all end up as simply food for worms. My choice is to believe….and one day, so will you.

      • Mr Atheist

        No i won’t. And it bothers me because we have the most complex brains of any animal on the planet and you waste yours promoting anchient fairy tales

        • beckmc

          And somehow our lives our hindered for believing? I feel pretty accomplished in my life. My brain is no less “complex” for believing in God. If I’m wrong, what happens? Nothing? If I’m right, what happens? EVERYTHING.

      • Peter D. Blair

        Because he’s an Anti-theist not an Atheist.

  • http://www.larrypoolespeaks.com/ Larry Poole

    Phil, I read a lot of your stuff, but as a person of influence I’m very disappointed to that took the time to write this article.

    From the start of the film, when the opening refrain states, “In the beginning, there was nothing,” it was obvious that this film resembled nothing of Genesis’ account of Noah.

    Not only is this movie not “100% Biblically accurate” as you contend in point #9 above, it’s not 10% Biblically accurate. I don’t think we as Christians should encourage Hollywood to make films that openly twist and pollute the Scriptures.

    As a blogger myself, I know this article has driven an enormous amount of traffic for you, but as Christian leader I think there are much more important things to consider.

    • Sean Armstrong

      Amen

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      You’re right Larry. As I stated in my post, it’s not a Biblically accurate film. The studio didn’t market it as a Bible film and went to great pains to say it was only “inspired” by the Noah story. We all knew that going in. So the question become – what do we do with it? Criticize it from the sidelines? Or turn the tables and use the film to share the REAL Noah story with the thousands who will be seeing it?

  • Chelsea Wilson

    It doesn’t surprise me at all that there is somehow a controversy over a movie (of all things) between Christians. We as Christians tend to disagree about matters so often that it has caused us to break apart into so many sects that it’s almost ridiculous.

    At the end of the day, people should do what they feel is best. Is a movie something you think might sway your faith in God? If so, you probably shouldn’t be watching any faith-based films nor any films based on the Bible. None of them are perfect, and some of them are so littered with problems that if you were to be influenced by them it would certainly lead you astray.

    However, if the movie looks appealing to you and you understand it takes its own creative licenses, then more power to you for going to see it. Enjoy it, but don’t take it as gospel. I don’t think anyone IS taking it as gospel, and most people who see it (whether they are atheists or Christians or Muslims or Jews or any other faith) know enough about Noah to know that this movie does not follow the Bible. Sometimes it just seems like people want to make a big deal out of things just for the sake of it. It may not be that way, I don’t know, but it certainly seems that way quite often.

    My opinion? A movie like this can open a dialogue. If you have an atheist friend who goes to see it, it can be a great kick-off point to discussing the Biblical version. It’s not this movie’s job to help lead people to Christ. That’s our job as Christians, by way of leading Christ-like lives. But maybe I just like to focus on the good that can come from this instead of the bad. This movie does not have to be some black and white, “with us or against us” mentality.

    • bryhudso

      Setting aside acerbic posts, I think this forum might serve as a basis for opinions/concepts leading to dialog among family, friends, and unsaved/unchurched people.

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        That’s a terrific point. And I agree on the acerbic posts. I was wondering this morning what non-believers must think when they read the name-calling comments from professed Christians. Such a disappointment to see that level of ugliness.

        • james_brown

          Well – we think your a group of people out of touch with reality.

          • Deborah

            And thus the nastiness goes on and on and on. When we will we learn how much it breaks Christ’s heart to listen to us speak to each other in such unloving, disrespectful ways. He loves all His people. We should act likewise towards those we agree with and those we don’t.

  • mama 2 4 little men

    It was horrible. Absolute swill, do not support this! The fact that it was not biblically accurate is not the problem, the fact that they twisted the meaning of the story while keeping true to some tiny details to make it seem like a biblical story is revolting. I went to see the movie because so many Christian reviews said even though it was flawed it was a catalyst to bring conversations to unbelievers. Bah. Any movie that is “based on the Bible” but attacks the character of God is not worth seeing. They got the names right, the story is twisted and far more damaging than any good that could ever come of it.

  • Suzie Best

    Considering how many Christians daily distort the Word of God & what the Bible teaches – even the way of love, grace & compassion that Jesus showed and taught, why should it upset people so much that a secular organization has some distortions in its film? Maybe its that the truth cuts too deep – they are on some subconscious level looking too much at the speck in others without seeing the beam in themselves…

    • beckmc

      Have you heard the saying, “Two wrongs don’t make a right?”

  • Pablo in Florida

    You forgot to mention the most important thing: the movie sucks. It’s a bad movie no matter what it’s based (or not based on). I’m taking a stand against awful movie-making and this is a text book example of atrocious, ridiculous, drivel.

  • Jennifer

    First you state in #8, “It’s only a movie” and impact from previous film is minimal. Then you finish with #10 –”Hollywood—the most influential place on earth.” You can’t have it both ways sir.

    • beckmc

      Certainly not a well thought out article, I must agree so, myself. Just as I, knowing the true story, don’t need to see a made up, Hollywood version of the story, no matter how accurate. I’ve got a book that tells it all, I don’t need a movie. I do have to say though, that out of the controversy, those who do not know, may find it upon themselves to research and find the true meaning behind the story of Noah. How glorious would it be that they find God in this. God works in mysterious ways, and is there in every path.

  • http://codybateman.org/ ★ William Cody Bateman ★

    I am satisfied that, because of the efforts of mature bible teaches and “watchers on the wall”; thousands of Christians chose NOT to see this movie. How sad though, that those Christians who did see this debacle – trusted the opinions of men whom were willing to twist the oracles of God, lead young Christians to a false view of their Lord and His grace and cause even a searching non-believer to stumble. And, for those of you who, as mature Christians, partook in this travesty; may you heed the Holy Spirit’s reproof and do right by walking more humbly with your God. (Micah 6:*) Good news? Yes! We, as Christians, now have seen the likes of Cooke, the National Religious Broadcaster and all the ilk with them – exposed for their willful heresy.

    • Simon Dillon

      (weary sigh) I really think some Christians would still burn people at the stake if they could…

    • bryhudso

      Very judgmental post, IMO. Are you certain that the Holy Spirit is doing what you say?

    • Deborah

      First you speak as a respectful, rational Christian with points well taken in your first sentence. From there it goes down hill into a bashing of other believers who may hold a different opinion. You become the Christian that others point at and say, “See how they shame others and spout verses to support their judgmental righteousness,” It just makes me sad to be called a sister of a brother who would judge so harshly others within our family of believers.

  • Charlene Armstrong

    This author is an Atheist. That is his privilege, as we all are free to make our own choice. My question to all of you would be…..Why would an Atheist choose to make a biblical movie taken from the writings of the Holy Scripture that he abhors? He would only do this to make a mockery of the Bible and to cause confusion for those who aren’t quite sure what they believe. Most of all, it is to invoke disharmony among
    Christian people and trouble in the Churches. I, too, have a choice and I choose to ignore this film. I don’t need to see it to know it isn’t something I should watch, because of the reasons I stated above. May God have mercy on those who had a part in making and distributing this film.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      How about this Charlene: What if that atheist (who’s from a Jewish background) actually is seriously exploring the Christian faith? What if he’s spent years researching this and using the medium of film to search for those answers? Since you don’t know him or his motivations, why would you lash out and accuse him of mocking – especially since you haven’t seen it?

      • Charlene Armstrong

        I am not lashing out at anyone. I simply made a statement regarding this film. I was serious with my last sentence, also. We should pray for him. As for what he is, I am going by what he called himself. I can’t judge this man or any other, but if what you said is true, then may God help him find the answer, but finding it in the medium of film is highly unlikely, if not impossible. I don’t say any of this to be argumentative…..just my thoughts.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Well you DID accuse him of making a mockery and “sowing confusion.:
          :-)
          Actually finding Jesus through film happens all the time. Rob Johnston at Fuller Seminary says that a university student in Beijing became a Christian after watching Life of Pi. When the young boy on the raft looked up at the sky and saw the wonder of a starry universe, she said that she realized that life was “thicker,” richer, deeper than her Marxist philosophy allowed. She said she encountered God that evening at the cineplex. Of course, the movie was not clear religiously and certainly did not show her the reality of “Jesus” as the way, the truth and the life. That came later over the next several months as she sought out a Christian church. But her encounter with God at the movies was her start of a life of faith. It was real, genuine, and transformative. The wonder of God’s universe as projected on the screen became the occasion for this college student to meet God for the first time. It is not to be despised. And such testimony is not limited or isolated. It is repeated often.

          • AD

            It would be judgmental to say that the intentions of the film-makers was to sow confusion and make a mockery, because we don’t know his/their hearts. But it is NOT judgmental to say that this film does make a mockery of the Word of God, and has sown confusion. These are two very distinct things.
            I do love hearing about how a person found Jesus after seeing a film. God definitely can use anything!

        • Simon Dillon

          Charlene – God can use anything to get through to people and he has used films many times to quite literally transform my life. To be clear: it is not the films that transform anything, it is the Holy Spirit working through them. Just a random example: my wife got saved directly after someone showed her The Empire Strikes Back. Said person had been evangelising to her for some time, and as the end credits rolled she literally said “I want to become a Christian right now” because of a line in the film God had used to speak directly into her situation. She got saved, and filled with the Spirit directly after that!

      • Sam

        Dear Phil, Why are you defending him so much. His fruits will be known and the fruit of this film is rotten.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Just hate to see people accuse others without know their motivations or heart. Not sure that’s too much to ask.

          • Ad

            Again, I would like to know how you know their hearts or motivations anymore than anyone else?! People consider anything negative being said as being judgmental, but any form of proposing to know what’s in a person’s heart, even if you think it’s something good, is a form of judgment that God has not equipped people to do.

      • Hugh Belcher

        I’m not sure who you are Phil, but you are too bright to be so naive, so you are obviously on the payroll in some form or fashion. :)

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Maybe if you took the time to know me, you wouldn’t need to accuse me of things you’re not sure of.
          :-)

      • terry rhoads

        Well as it is totally an inaccurate portrayal he obviously did not care to make it accurate if he did so much research. I know everyone has a right to theeir opinion but we need to remember there is coming a day when God will judge all and when you mislead someone who knows little to nothing about the Bible, God or Jesus you will be held accoutable. It says so in the Bible.

      • Hugh Belcher

        Darren Aronofsky is serious about exploring the Christian faith, other than to further mock it? Please Phil.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          We were actually discussing the writer, Ari Handel.

      • beckmc

        Then why change what is truly in the Word?

      • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

        Phil, your logic in response to Charlene borders on the absurd.
        Surely there’s more ingenuous, less-destructive ways for Handel and Aronofsky to (hypothetically) “explore the Christian faith” than by making loud, off-target, public, profit-seeking declarations about God’s truth…? Surely…

        • Dwayne

          Tel;l that to Saul, before he became Paul!

          • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

            So – by that logic Peter should have exhorted Christians to attend Saul’s next “stoning”????

            Sorry brother, Phil’s argument is still absurd…

          • Dwayne

            Seriously, you have to understand that Saul was unsaved, a someone who persecuted Christians, and was involved in the stoning of Stephen, before God changed his heart, and then become known as Paul, and his influence was immense in Christianity, So, the point was that God can changes hearts, like that of Saul. So, no Saul went on to be a very decent person, and strong christian, as Paul. It’s not absurd to think that kind o thing couldn’t happen again. Why couldn’t it is the question?

          • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

            Absolutely no disagreement about God’s ability to radically change a person’s life. He’s wonderfully much more than capable.
            The convoluted logic that Mr. Cooke is advancing uses the potential of Saul’s conversion as leverage to exhort believers to buy tickets to watch Saul’s current gnarly productions (persecutions?)…

      • AD

        How does one spend years researching an account from the Bible that is approximately 5 chapters long? I think it is wonderful if he is exploring the Christian faith, but unless he has expressly told you that is what he is doing, you don’t know him or his motivations either. I am convinced you have ulterior motives for writing this article, but I won’t go any farther than that, because I couldn’t possibly know your heart.

    • Marcia

      Dear Charlene, How do you know the motivations of the author of this film? Remember, we all deserve to be outside the ark, if it weren’t for the Mercy of God.

  • John Connolly

    “While it was too late to add it to the film, they [Paramount Studios] readily agreed to add
    the disclaimer to the movie posters, website, digital promotions, as
    well as all radio and TV commercials that haven’t already been
    distributed. This tells me that Paramount values the Christian audience
    and wants to work with us.” Funny, it tells me that they couldn’t care less. Perception is an interesting thing, don’t you think?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Not sure where you conclude that John. They didn’t have to do anything at all, but they did. I was in the room.

      • Sam

        Dear Phil, If they really cared about the christian audience they would make a more biblically accurate movie without a lot of speculation. Your conclusions are so off base. We should compromise is what you are saying.

  • Hugh Belcher

    How did Paramount make your check payable? Confession is at 1:30 sharp, your penitence? You must watch the film again. Now find another job.

  • Hugh Belcher

    Wow, just saw your photo and noticed a SECOND resemblance with Piers Morgan!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks for bringing such a high level of discussion to the conversation Hugh.

      • Hugh Belcher

        You clearly aren’t capable of a high level of conversation.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Wow. Awesome Christian response. And yet you’ve posted her at least 4 times in the last hour. You apparently can’t stay away…
          :-)

          • Roger Miller

            *here

          • Hugh Belcher

            I assume you mean “here”, not “her”? Why do you presume that my response is not “Christian”?( your sarcasm noted) Must Christians be “sweet little mealy mouthed folks who can’t employ all forms of argument to state their case? You Phil, have been around the enemy so long, you have adopted most of their views and tactics. You’re a “Merry Judas”, or an ignoramus, who can’t see the forest for the trees. As to my inability to stay away? I’m just bored with basketball. I’ve never heard of you before, and probably will never hear of you again after tonight.

  • Allan

    Rock Monsters. Enough said.

    • tamara

      earning their way back to heaven, hmmmm what would their ruler lucifer think of their return and why cant he go back???

  • Terry Rhoads

    I do not think God would agree with you but you have a right to your own opinion. Disgraceful movie.

  • Hugh Belcher

    Now you’ve gotten my hackles up. After re-reading your 10 reasons for Christians to see this movie, each one reads as if the studio gave you the list they produced themselves. Think: 30 pieces of silver?

  • Dwight Kuhn

    Every person who read your 10 reasons for Christians seeing this movie is now DUMBER for taking the time to read a single one- Your explanation was entirely the equivalent of a man dying of thirst being handed a glass to quench his thirst that the holder had just filled with urine- and then expecting the dying man to say: Thank you, Sir. Do you actually get paid for this drivel?

    • Dwayne

      Wow, you obsess a lot about urine…..Knowing anatomy and science well! A glass of urine is mostly water; and sterile, it could very well save one’s life! Only pride, not being humble, and ignorance would be the reason to not drink it. Which, pretty much sums it up!

      • Dwight Kuhn

        Well I certainly would expect no less for you atheist apologists- you all seem pretty much willing to drink anything handed to you-

        • Dwayne

          God sacrificed the most precious thing, his son on a cross for these “Atheist” , which is the hallmark of a Christian. So, I guess GOD was foolish to do such things as that. I’m sure you can find hearts that agree with yours, but sI for one see a heart that hates, not like in the example of Christ.

  • Hugh Belcher

    Now you’ve gotten my hackles up. After re-reading your 10 reasons for Christians to see this movie, each one reads as if the studio gave you the list they produced themselves. Think: 30 pieces of silver?

  • Hugh Belcher

    Thank you Dwight!

  • Hugh Belcher

    Just a note, Phil Cooke removes all intelligent rebuttals from this board.

  • Hugh Belcher

    Phil, what happened to our conversation on this board where you were shown to be a complete idiot?

  • Scott Wilson

    Suck it up Christians… Hollywood responds to the requests that Christians want more biblical movies made. Christians whine and cry “not 100% biblical. Suck it up complainers. Can’t have it both ways- something the Israelites learned the hard way yapping about the “food” they received. Instead of seeing this as a blessing that this movie could minister to others, so called “Christians” act like 5 year old brats who got a strawberry ice cream cone instead of a chocolate. Foolishness…..

    • beckmc

      What’s the point if it’s not accurate? Meaningless details don’t much matter, but changing the entire story, the entire meaning behind God’s word is not what a Christian wants.

      • Scott Wilson

        The entire story isn’t changed. Pretty sure there is an ark on this movie, a guy named noah, a flood, and annals in the ark. So-called “Christians” misrepresent God all the time yet scream “judge not lest you be judged for being called out by their hypocrisy. As I said, foolishness and hypocritical

        • beckymc

          Do you understand anything about the concept of “main idea?” This is a story about saving the environment. If only that were the reason God was flooding the Earth. Make another movie like Avatar if you want to promote the environment and how to take care of it. The meaning of Noah … the true Noah and his ark, are much deeper than this. I don’t expect all to understand, but hope for all to, one day. Also, as a Christian, I’m about the least perfect person I know, so myself judging and pointing fingers isn’t there. Me asking people to be held accountable … yeah, there’s a difference. Twist my words as you may, you won’t sway me. <3

          • beckmc

            Scott, I do love how you threw in the over-used line (as defense) “judge not as lest you be judge,” because you’ve heard it over and over again. It’s the go to line, so I don’t blame you. I don’t recall myself saying anything judgmental in my first response though. Crazy …

          • Scott Wilson

            Becky, the fact you thought I referring to you (honestly I was not) shows me you’re not as smart as you think you are regarding the scriptures. You completely missed the point I was making. Christians (as you have clearly shown) aren’t interested in what other people (like Darren Afronosky) offer to God’s kingdom. What he has done can be such a blessing to so many seekers, but it’s the religious folks who seem to think the environment was his motivation. Like Jesus said, regarding faith- a child-like faith is what it mean to truly do narrate what Christianity stands for. Hypocritical and foolishness

          • BeckMc

            Well, it was in response to something I said, so I gathered you were referring to me.

          • Scott Wilson

            Absolutely not in response to you. Merely saying the movie can be a blessing to those in Hollywood and other various industries. While it may have some inaccuracies, God can work through anything and turn it into a blessing- I’ve seen how He’s been so kind to me throughout my time when I ignored Him and recognizing (His) kindness has been both more enjoyable and gratifying when I stopped for His to bless with a good day and with “things” and instead simply asked Him to increase my love for Him…

          • Scott Wilson

            Becky, what’s funny the same people who claim to go and listen to Sunday service messages lack bible understanding. regardless if the movie blasts conservative anti-environmentalism, does it show mankind’s responsibility to “subdue the earth” as the scriptures say? Even if some inaccuracies are there, And Darren Afronosky doesn’t see the bible story like most of the church, the church’s reaction seems similar to how the Pharisees reacted to Jesus when He chose to spend time with the non-religious.

          • tamara

            so true

        • Child of God

          This is all we heard from Tupac and now Miley Cyrus, why do we need to hear it from you? “Only God Can Judge Me” We understand and believe that God is the judge. Your words bashing us is nothing more than ignorance. All I can do is pray that God opens your eyes to TRUTH! That’s THE BIGGEST excuse for a “non believer” to say… Christians are Hyporcrites. You have non Christians as hypocrite too. Sooo?? At least they are trying to live for Christ. No one is perfect but anyone can be made new through the SAVING GRACE of JESUS CHRIST!!

          • Scott Wilson

            Child of God,
            I do appreciate your zeal that you have for the Lord. However, zeal means “knowledge without wisdom.”
            Child of God, given that I am a Christian; I’m not sure what “truth” you are referring to.
            Child of God, what it means to “judge” is to determine their eternal fate. Unfortunately, most people who call themselves “Christians” spend more time looking to do God’s job for Him. Like when asking for the Lord to comprehend what a person is has prayed by repeating the prayer over and over to Him. Another example: continuing to see oneself as a sinner, though the scriptures clearly say, “By His stripes you are healed.”
            Child of God, the Christians the reason I have no sympathy for what you say is because you claim to be a child of God, yet lack of understanding when Jesus said to the crowd, “the sheep who hear My voice, I am with them.” Seek Him first, Child of God with your (whole) heart…

          • tamara

            hmmmmmm.

    • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

      You’re right. We Christians want it both ways. We cry for Babylon to produce something that will amuse us while we build our Luke 6 comfort zones.

  • Cristina Bingham

    I believe this event really occurred. I also believe it is a foreshadowing of today’s need for people to be saved in Christ. Even Christ Himself made reference to Noah in the scriptures. Why would I want to spend money on and support entertainment that twists the meaning of the scriptures around? If I want absolute fantasy, I’ll watch Thor or Spiderman.

    • livsmmore

      Couldn’t agree with you more.

      • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

        Make it three of us. Amen, Christina.

  • Haydee

    I agree with Pablo from Florida, even if the film were about Robin Hood I considered it to be an awful picture, even the clothing was out of sync with the times: perfect leather boots, tailor pants and shirts thousand years before Christ!!!! If they wanted to do a new adaptation(West Side Story-Romeo and Juliet) maybe I could enjoy it, but this is even artistically, a mess.( I saw it)

  • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

    Opening weekend went well. It may open the door to more movies for the faith-based audience. Here’s a good indication:
    http://www.deadline.com/2014/03/biblical-and-faith-based-movies-hollywood/

    • beckmc

      Money made, does not mean souls saved.

    • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

      Honestly. We believer act as if
      a.) we’re hostages to Hollywood
      b.) Hollywood’s Bible movies have been a fruitful vehicle to further His Kingdom
      c.) we’re ignorant of the multiple dimensions through which Hollywood has disastrously tainted our culture’s perspective re God, Jesus, the Bible, sin, redemption and righteousness.

    • tamara

      forget it Phil your opinion of this film is not shared!!!

  • Ryan Tullock

    How many movies based on books have you seen and thought “now that wasn’t as good as the book?” Producers have to add to create a 2 hour movie anyway, and they have to attract an audience. Is it possible that this could be used as a way to teach God to those that have not heard? To open doors that otherwise wouldn’t be opened? I haven’t seen the movie, but I probably will just because I am curious to see what they do with it. I don’t think I will go to Hell for it!

    • beckmc

      No one will go to hell for seeing the movie, no. It is understandable that all movies add to or take away parts as they see fit to make the movie version of stories more interesting, but completely changing the entire meaning of a story (and this is not just a story written by an out of work author, c’mon now) is sinister. Will door truly be opened? Do you really think that? If one soul is, then I guess it’s worth it. I’m forever the optimist. However, if thousands are turned off by Biblical stories … I’m not happy about that at all.

      • tamara

        I cannot give $$$$$ to a producer or to hollywood for this egregious, assault to our senses. they should rename it , and just make it a good scifi movie

    • tamara

      no , but you have just gave them what they want your $$$$$$$ watch it free some how if you want to see it

  • 6tribes

    I am so sorry I saw this movie, It was terrible- Noah and his transformers, If we have to see this to get more “Christian movies” than we should all pass- the movie is laughable

    • http://batman-news.com Wanda Irizarry

      I agree. Where they got that from the bible is beyond me. Transformers as Angels…way out there for me.

  • livsmmore

    How much money did you get to write this pile of lies huh Phil. You left out SO MUCH it makes me wonder how much of the screening you sat through. For instance did you know that “Noah” was a bipolar homicidal maniac who’s bloodline made a covenant with Satan by wearing the skin he shed as an arm band?? Or better yet how about the fallen angels who build the ark to earn their way back into Heaven? Or better yet the one that commits SUICIDE so he can get to Heaven faster?? Or I know what about the inability of Noah to even hear from God so instead he watches the weather. Do I need to go on? I’m so over people like you claiming to have our Christian interest at heart and yet failing to stand up for the TRUTH. The story is not based on anything but similar themes. It shouldn’t even be called Noah. Its a disgrace to his name.

    • Deborah

      I have no clue what all your questions mean. Are your question about something within the story of the movie? Your entry is very confusing for me.

      • Steph

        Yes, he’s questioning how the author of this article left out pieces of the storyline.

      • Susan Grall Browning

        He is also questioning how can you profess to be a Christian by urging other Christians to see the film and for doing he was paid

  • beckmc

    Can we not forget that just because it’s a film based on the Bible (should I say, “loosely”), does it mean any good? All of your points are moot, when it comes to what Christians truly want to reveal about our God, Jesus Christ. A wolf in sheep’s clothing … something, I as a believer won’t spend my money on. It’s not a problem for me, no, but … those who don’t believe, it’s not going to save their souls, or even make them interested; because they will only be further confused about the Bible, thinking, “What a hypocritical God, and characters.” God did not flood the earth, because people were misusing the resources, but because the people on the earth were living in so much sin that it broke His heart.

    • Child Of God

      Amen!

  • http://ccnasd.org/ Wayne

    I just cannot get over this article and its list. Seriously appears to be a satirical parody. But sadly it’s not.

    We should see the movie because Mr. Cooke was on the set, even talked to the star. The dimensions of the ark are accurate. It’s epic. We asked for this. It’s only a movie.

    I’m sorry, but this sort of condescension from Christian leadership is more upsetting than the film itself. Anything recommended by the NRB in the future will be highly suspect. Again, I’m truly sorry but the lack of discernment is extremely troubling.

    • Dwayne

      You sound like the script right out of Star Wars, Darth Vader “Your lack of faith is disturbing”! I am glad when it all said and done, you are not his Judge, although it appears that you want to be,

      • http://ccnasd.org/ Wayne

        Never questioned his faith, just his discernment and this list that is supposed to be reasons to see this film. If it doesn’t trouble you like it does me then fine – maybe if I could have just laughed hysterically at it I would have made my point better? It’s all about the theatrics and presentation, right? Remember, go see Noah cause it’s…. epic.

        • Dwayne

          I don’t care who watches the film, I am shocked that people get this upset at his opinion of why they should see it. To me compassion is the key to the bible, at least in the new testament. And, too many people who want to damn anyone who disagrees with the raw biblical context. But, he said that the movie wasn’t accurate, in many ways, but it would make you think. And, thinking about Noah’s story is better than not. If, anything it starts conversations, and to not to ever see it will shut Christians out of it is how I read his article. It’s good to see it, even if you disagree with it. Because, it’s not going away, even its wrong.

          • Dwight Kuhn

            With that rationale, Dwayne, I suppose Christians should all go see “Piss Christ” too because: “Hey- we all know a cross in a jar of urine in an art museum is still a cross in a museum- and it will start conversations.”
            I’m sorry but sometimes people may actually be better off- without that much “thinking”

          • Dwayne

            Ah Dwight, Anyways, if it somehow, brightens your day, makes you happy comparing an Apple to an orange….then have it! ;-)

          • Dwight Kuhn

            Comparing one mockery of Christianity/the Bible made by an atheist to another mockery of Christianity/the Bible also made by an atheists hardly seems an apples/oranges comparison to me – but hey maybe so, I could be wrong if one is both color blind and fruit-identification-challenged. My bad, I should have considered how difficult that may be for some people to grasp.

          • Dwayne

            Well, Dwight, if it is wrong, God can carry the burden. He’s fully capable of that, and he doesn’t need Christians to be fighting each other, when their are more important issues in our own lives that need attending.. And, at the end of the day, G-d is the only opinion that matters to me…. sorry, but you have no say in that! ;-)

          • Dwight Kuhn

            God has already given his opinion on the matter Dwayne- you just don’t like it. 2 Cor: 6:14-15 “Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?” The man who made the movie is not and never has claimed to be a Christian- he’s an avowed atheist- that “so-called Christian’s” are supporting him- a tree is judged by the fruit it produces- that’s not my judgment- it’s God’s!

          • Dwayne

            John
            3:16, “FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten
            Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting
            life.” Apparently God is conflicted, he loves the world, and hatred towards them won’t help them change… ever!

          • Dwight Kuhn

            Now there is an apples and oranges comparison my friend- yes certainly God loves the world and we are to love everyone also so as to bring them to salvation- we do not however participate in THEIR sin to do so, nor lower God to their immorality in the process- Jesus loved the harlet everyone wanted to stone- but I’m sure you missed the main point in that story also: Jesus said, neither do I condemn you (showing his love & mercy) But he also said, now GO AND SIN NO MORE (his command). He never even implied it was somehow “OK” for her to keep doing what she was doing. You however seem to think that blaspheming the word of God is OK for the director of this movie “because he MAY be exploring his relationship to God” – Bunk!

          • http://ccnasd.org/ Wayne

            Well here we are having that “national conversation that millions will participate in” (#6 on the list).

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Actually Dwight, I also like
            John 3:17 – “For God did not send his Son into the world (including Hollywood) to condemn the world (including Hollywood), but in order that the world (including Hollywood) might be saved through him.

            :-)

          • Dwight Kuhn

            Phil, again you hit the problem right on the head- you just don’t seem to have a clue: Of course God didn’t “send his Son into the world to condemn it” – it was already, condemned! He wouldn’t have needed to send his Son to save US- were that not so!

            This movie suggests so many blatantly false theological points that no Christian should have anything whatsoever to do with it. Christians are called to be “separate” from the world- “In it” but NOT “of it.” Your being separate and taking a stand against false doctrine (wherever it is) would cause just as many people to discuss with you, why you feel that way- rather than your adamantly defending the man’s motives “as you see them” rather than as he seemed to be personally expressing them on EWTN last night and this morning’s news.

            His effort to portray a false narrative (knowingly or unknowingly) was not under any guise of “witnessing to the lost”- he’s still an atheist and his motive seems little more than mammon. Specificlly, making a quick buck off gullible Christians while making a mockery of what they actually believe and changing their reality into nothing more than another Hollywood fantasy.

            The man stated essentially that he had made the “Most un-biblical bible movie- ever” If he knows that then HE clearly knows he was lying in his movie. Lying is evil (Period) and you sir have repeatedly called that lying good- because it’s “entertaining” or because you think “God can use it anyhow.”

            Certainly God can use any evil for his own good purpose (even this movie), but that never justifies perpetuating evil so that God can “use it”- which in short is the entire summation of your apologetic dissertation above.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Actually Dwight, it’s not a “Christian” movie and I’m not defending it as such. But I believe Christians interested in reaching people should see it, understand it’s viewpoint, and then use that to share the real story with friends and co-workers.
            Why are we so threatened by a movie? Let’s turn the tables and use it for the gospel.
            Plus – the “least Biblical movie” comment is a misquote. Here the Christian Post straightens it out:
            http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-blasts-noah-misquotes-films-director-on-twitter-116319/

          • Dwight Kuhn

            Phil your rationale is so logically flawed as to be bordering on the absurd- you seem an intelligent man and yet?

            Over 1 billion people in this world came to a knowledge of Christ already without this stupid movie- somebody witnessed to each and every one of them without this movie.

            I and no other believer is “threatened” by this movie- what is “threatening” is false teachers like you who support false doctrine under the guise of opening a door for witnessing the truth- Christ himself had no harsher words than for the false teachers of his day- He called them LIARS, BLIND, THEIVES, and SNAKES. You alone seem to deliberately desire to put yourself in that category, I’m simply calling on you to see the error in your logic.

            Demonstrating the absurdity of your argument by taking it to the absurd – we should go out and hire a prostitute so as to be able to open the door to witness to prostitutes and the John’s who pay for their services- exactly how is what you suggest any different at all? Pay to see a lie (sin) so as to witness the truth- to those who also pay to see the lie? That is simply illogical.

          • Dwayne

            Sorry Dwight, you miss that many follow Christ’s example towards others, not one of hate, like those who follow Muhammad. That what separates Christians from Islamist, who desires the destruction of the Infidels. We want to convert, by showing them God’s love and compassion. Christ has many instances of being in places like Zacchaeus house, and he was questioned as well. So, why would Christ example, often be accommodating to those that clearly didn’t have his interest in mind?

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Then we’ll just have to agree to disagree Dwight. Thanks for dropping by and I wish you the best!

          • Sean Armstrong

            …but Phil he did say in 1 Thessalonians 5:22
            Amplified Bible (AMP)
            22 Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.
            (Which includes Hollywood)
            I know, I keep quoting this scripture!?!

          • tamara

            see it without spending any money and you come out on top!!!! not worth a dime to me ,but maybe as scifi I will watch it FOR FREE!

    • Cindy

      My take exactly.

    • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

      Immensely troubling…

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      No – you should see the movie to take part in this:
      http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

      • Sean Armstrong

        So you as a Christian Phil, say Christians should expose themselves to evil when the bible is clear as it says:
        1 Thessalonians 5:22
        Amplified Bible (AMP)
        22 Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Sean – I think that means “abstain” from doing it, not being exposed to it. Otherwise we’d have to live in a bank vault. However, if you feel the movie is “exposing you to evil” then by all means don’t see it. End of story. I support you 100%.
          But I know former prostitutes who are now saved and taking their ministry into strip clubs and bars to reach strippers and prostitutes with the gospel (and having remarkable success). Others are working in human trafficking to redeem children caught in that evil world. Other friends of mine in LA work every day with gang members in South Central. I praise God that men and women of God are willing to be exposed to evil so that many can be redeemed.

  • Audrey

    Good. Reading these responses reminds me of why I quit going to church. Nothing is good enough for Christians, ever. Good thing we can’t live by grace and pick our damn battles. You all look like children.

    • Adam

      Audrey, I apologize on behalf of Christians. We’re not doing a very good job on the whole of making Christianity much like Christ’s vision for the church. He met people where they were and probably wouldn’t have hated on this movie so hard. The thing that I take from the movie and people’s responses here is that sometimes people take what they think is God’s plan into their own hands and mess everything up (Noah wanting to kill the twin babies). In reality, God’s love and mercy wins just as it did in the film. I hope that you keep yourself open to the possibility of God and the idea that although He is infinite, He’s concerned about you personally.

      • tamara

        good positive reply, praying for unbelievers and enemies IS hard!

    • Susan Grall Browning

      God’s word is plenty good enough for me.

  • Marq

    People go to the movies for an entirely different purpose than going to church. Lets just be reminded this is Hollywood after all. My personal preference from all the reviews so far is not to watch it, no biggie

  • Joy Mercer

    I’m so glad I questioned what I was taught in Sunday School (see Acts 17, the Bereans, if you think this was bad).
    -
    It didn’t shake my faith, because the Bible has stood the many, critical tests of time.
    No, it made my faith stronger, because I took ownership of it.
    -
    I only wish for all the naysayers to actually read the Genesis narrative and recognize there are other possible interpretations to what they were told in S.S. (and probably by someone who was taught it similarly and so forth generations back).
    -
    Approach the movie with these 4 categories in mind:
    1) Definitely happened like that,
    2) Might have happened like that,
    3) Could have happened like that, but the bible SEEMS to indicate otherwise, and
    4) Definitely did NOT happen like that.
    -
    The items under #4 should be the ones that concern you, as the others aren’t, in essence, contradicting scripture.
    -
    If these items under #4 are dealbreakers, then by all means, bash the movie.
    -
    But in the spirit of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery, how many people still see Charlton Heston when they read the stories involving Moses?
    How many of us meticulously picked apart “The 10 Commandments,” despite its glaringly awful take on some of the passages?
    Did Mel Gibson’s “Passion of the Christ” have a few issues?
    Yes, but they weren’t dealbreakers for me.
    Again, I approached that movie with the same 4 categories, and I was pleasantly surprised with the outcome.
    -
    If you enjoy getting rattled over these things, then by all means, continue to subject yourselves to the issues.
    Otherwise, stop reading comments about movies that get you so emotionally charged.
    Put that energy into sharing your faith or something.
    -
    Or, perhaps, go read the Book of Enoch, Jude (the New Testament book), Tertullian, and all the other historic texts closely connected to scripture to understand why the movie contained what it did.
    And then gasp when you realize that all of these people 2,000 years ago actually BELIEVED this is how it happened.

  • Nate

    The Tony Danza movie was more accurate… and his ark had a basketball court in it…

  • Susan Grall Browning

    I do NOT need to see the film any more than I need to lay eyes on Satan to know that evil is real!

  • Lily

    You never mentioned that by going to the movie, we are putting more money in the pockets of these guys who are producing dark, anti-Christian, blasphemous movies.

  • Valerie

    If all Hollywood can promote is Blasphemy – why should we “fund them”. Let’s fund independent films like “God’s Not Dead” which are uplifting and we can feel good taking the entire family to. When Hollywood is serious about gaining Christian dollars – Hollywood will give us a script that does not trash the most precious best seller that was ever written. We can cope with a little creative license – but this movie was described as trash by every Christian I know that saw it after being fooled by the Trailers. Fortunately I saw Glenn Beck’s review – including the “rock creatures” and I saved my money to buy more popcorn at “God’s Not Dead” when our church attended and sold out two showings of it.

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  • Smirv

    So you want people/Christians to go see a movie based on events that happened in the Bible that was directed by an atheist? Where is the logic in that?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Have you done a check on other Bible movies like The 10 Commandments to see how many of their producers, writers, and directors were Christians? I think you’d be surprised.

      • http://www.bleedingtree.com/ Bryan Chalker

        Phil – while I can appreciate your comment on the other directors’ faith and Christian-backgrounds (believe me…not naive on that), when they shot the films, the culture was very respectful and honoring of the films themselves. They didn’t take a political left-turn or push the messages Noah did. This was the entire point of Noah. The director has made multiple statements emphasizing that.

        Yes…they were not all Christians. They did, however, know who the audience was, and how the subject should be handled. Aronofsky has made it abundantly clear than Christians are the last group he cares about seeing his film – and that this was the “least Biblical” Bible movie ever made.

        I generally enjoy reading your posts – and I do genuinely respect your views as a fellow believer…but, I disagree with your points, on this.

  • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

    Best and maybe only redeemable (certainly the only compelling argumentation) in your article was the admonition to remember to pray for the hundreds of believers working in the movie industry. Other than that I’d give your rationale for supporting this film a zero out of a possible 10 stars. (Really? You encourage believers to plunk out millions so this film can be distributed for the world to see because the director was serious on the set and worked a really really long time on his assignment???)
    Take your two tickets, popcorn, soda, gas, dinner money and support a kid at Compassion International or support a missionary through US Center for World Mission instead. You’ll feel a whole lot better when you and God get around to talking about you sharing His heart for the lost.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I don’t know JS. Sounds like God is bigger than we think:
      http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

      • http://about.me/jonathan.boegl JS Boegl

        Indeed He is Phil… (no doubt, bigger & more zealous to redeem than NOAH portrayed Him too… :o)
        I bless your exhortation for each of us to dialog with someone else about God and Noah. And I bless each of those searching the Word with ongoing, life-giving dialogs with this unfathomable God, Himself.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          …and thanks for checking out the blog!

          • Xrucianus

            Be interested to know what you think of this analysis – http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2014/3/31/sympathy-for-the-devil

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke
          • Xrucianus

            Respectfully – Your patheos article only amplified my alarm by a factor of ten, Phil. It’s not the cerebral, philosophical issues of gnosticism that I am alarmed by nearly as much as the Kabbalistic spirituality that serves as the spiritual source for the movie. Kabbala, Cabala or Qaballa – is the fountainhead of most of the world’s occultic practices, including astrology, gematria, numerology, tarot cards, phrenology and much much more. Peter Chattaway pretty much says Arnofsky’s Noah is “all about” Kabala. No wonder so many Christians (rightfully) find this movie disturbs their spirit. Kabbalism is as anti-God and luciferian as it gets.
            For your part, you probably didn’t know – (most Christians don’t) – but this is bad bad stuff, Phil. As someone who’s unfortunately studied too much about this “Jewish mysticism” I’d STRONGLY advise anyone (believer or unbeliever), to stay away from this movie – and warn others to do the same.

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  • Stanley L. Cornett

    Jesus said in Matthew. “But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of man be. When Christians begin to use the secular to try to pander to the world so that people can be saved they take away from the scripture. The days of Noah were a dark time of sin and debauchery. We live in very much the same type of world today. The spin that God is bad and man is essentially good even though he might have a little insanity is the idea of today. We do not have to compromise the word and with an atheist interpreting the word it is dangerous. The true interpretation of the word can only come through the leading of the Holy Spirit who was the breath that brought about the word through men as God spoke it. Jeus did not pander to the world. Where ever He went He brought light into darkness and we find that even when He sat with the sinners. When He left salvation had come to those households and lives were changed. He did not use the secular to gain access to the world He used love and understanding but He never compromised the word to see a soul saved and neither should we. If you want entertainment go see the movie but do not take friends who are not christian to see it thinking it will help you to witness of God’s grace because you will not find it in this film.

  • AJ

    As Christians we should not pander to people working on the film nor promoting the film. They knew who the director was and what he stood for. The Bible reads that we must live in the world, but not be of the world. I cannot believe any National Religious Broadcaster would endorse this film for any reason other than to enhance their personal position in the broadcasting circles. It sounds to me like greasing their own palm.

  • Julia

    Matt Walsh saw it, and this is his hilarious review panning it. I think I’ll pass on the movie.

    http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/29/im-a-christian-and-i-think-noah-deserves-a-four-star-review/

  • Dennis Hammond

    Sir, you must have a financial investment in this movie or something. I can ONLY agree with number 5 of your reasons why. Paramount does have a right to fill in some blanks and it should give perhaps reasons why things took place. But, none of your other reasons make any since what so ever. It is their investment to make a profit and that’s the only reason they do it…it’s a business. As a business they have a right to profit or to lose. For you to sit back and promote this rewrite of the Bible is sickening and uncomfortable to anyone that loves God’s Word. As a movie critic, You fail more than the actual movie. I will go see it, but not in the theaters where they will make a greater profit. I will wait for the Red Box feature…that’s where it belongs.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Be careful Dennis. Hollywood makes a lot of money off Redbox.

      • Dennis Hammond

        smiles – they can make their 25% off my $1…I’m good with that.

  • Julia
  • Dang

    “I’ve been on the set.”

    Wow! ‘Nuff said! I’m sure we’re all very impressed!

    • Dang

      Now it all makes sense. I just saw that the reviewer is selling a book called, “Unique: Telling Your Story in the Age of Brands and Social Media. The reviewer is making a desperate attempt to be self-promoting and “unique”. Not thoughtful, or wise, or discerning. Nope. Just “unique.” Like a child who wears a pair of pants like a shirt and says, “Look at me!”

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        Not as desperate as you think. Here’s the real reason:
        http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

        • Dang

          Brushing my teeth is a good thing for me to do. Eating a dog turd just so I’ll want to brush my teeth is a bad idea.

  • Judd

    Is the story an exact Biblical representation? No.

    I needed read no further. He will not get my money

  • Becca

    Totally disagree. Christians should be standing up for biblical truth. Yes, the actually account is only pages long, but the “creative license” taken made Noah out to be an environmental zealot, butchered God’s character, and the sheer fact that it was proclaimed the most “unbiblibal Bible story” ever made should be enough to disuade any Christian from seeing and filling the pockets of its makers.

  • http://batman-news.com Wanda Irizarry

    Please read the story in the bible before you go and see this movie. I know I had to go home and research the scripts, as they twisted some of the movie. This movie is more a fictional movie then bible base, that my point on this.

  • Cheesy

    Read the synopsis.
    They lost me at the rick monsters.
    Same trash hollywood usually dispenses, with a claim of biblical basis in an attempt to validate it.
    Rotten Tomato of the year.

  • http://chadray.worpress.com/ Chad Ray

    Being one of the Christians IN the Industry, I agree with the very last statement you said. It is already a career environment that is hard to have any discussion of faith outside of “spiritual.” When you are a Christian in the entertainment industry, you are put in a place of never being free to talk about faith because of the decades of negative baggage everyone comes with on set. To have the Christian community back a film like this for what it is (A MOVIE!!! And let’s be honest, no matter what the movie, the book was always better) instead of throwing stones and people, maybe those of us on set would have a less terrible time having discussions about faith.

    • Dwight Kuhn

      With that rationale, Chad, I suppose Christians should all go see the art exhibit “Piss Christ” too because: “Hey- we all know a cross in a jar of urine in an art museum is still a cross in a museum- and it will start conversations.”
      I’m sure there is at least one Christian who works in that museum (maybe the janitor) who’s is ashamed to speak up about their faith also- because Lord knows artists never bring any baggage with them, like Holliwierd does! If you have to lie in a movie to discuss your faith- I’m sorry friend but that is not a faith worth having. No one ever promised you or anyone else that discussing your faith was going to be easy- in-fact, Jesus warned of the exact opposite.

  • xzbd

    #4 makes no logical sense. So as long as it has a biblical title we should support it? Even if it has NOTHING to do with the actual biblical story? Rock monsters, insane Noah trying to kill his own family? Epic battle scenes? Stowaways on the ark? By supporting this film we are not encouraging hollywood to make more Christian films, we are actually encouraging them to distort the Bible even more. There is a right way to make a movie based on biblical events, “The passion of the Christ”, “The Ten Commandments” but this, this is NOT the way.

  • Jenna B

    Even if I had never heard of the story of Noah, if I were to just evaluate this movie on its own merits and story structure, I would still cringe as I told you that the actors deserved better dialogue and the plot was at times laughable. There were a couple haunting and beautiful artistic moments, good music, costumes and awesome set, but these were overshadowed by some weird, badly animated creatures and some nonsensical character developments. I crave a good story, and this fell short. I really really wanted to like this film. I hoped it would be beautiful and creative AND good storytelling. But I really really didn’t. I suppose I’m glad they tried…. But it was such a stinker. Bummer.

  • Notmyown

    The movie is so off base! It is an embarrassment to Christians and those of us who actually believe in the one true Creator! The entire movie mocks our God and makes him out to be a manipulative monster. In the movie God doesn’t tell Noah to build the ark, Noah smoke a joint and sees a vision. For the non christians who are going to see the movie it makes Christians out to be loonies. People who are more concerned about the things of the world not being destroyed but out to kill all of mankind b/c they are ruining the earth. It is not a movie to help those that are lost but to make fun of christians in general. Noah actually wants to kill his daughters babies in her womb, is that really the Noah we read about in the bible? I don’t usually get fired up about these kind of things, but everyone that goes to see this movie will be lining the pockets of the people who are mocking God. Here is a review from a conservative blogger who I have a huge respect for a different perspective on the movie. themattwalshblog.com/2014/03/29/im-a-christian-and-i-think-noah-deserves-a-four-star-review/

  • Arvid Olson

    ahhhhh…. no… just no….

  • David Howdle

    How can we expect the world to keep to the biblical story. The world is controlled by the devil. The Bible says that. The devil as an angel of light would want Christians to be involved in something that is anti Christian A christian should never compromise the truth of the scriptures because it makes them powerless.Thats why the Church of Jesus Christ today is powerless because it is compromised to worldly [not biblical] entertainment.

  • Mongo

    You obviously did not see the movie and have read Genesis 6-10 or else your not a real believer. This movie sets back the Bible and Moses the author of Genesis to the stone age…. remember the rock mosters or the watchers or fallen angles. This movie should have never been made never.

  • Gary Bovan

    It’s only a movie and we as Christians should support it ?
    Why should Christian help make anyone in Hollywood rich off a film that grossly misrepresents the true account of Noah’s ark ?

  • Gary Bovan

    Oh, yea we hear that there is a disclaimer . Yes there is but from who I talked too , it hardly noticeable !

  • Mark Gunter

    Wow, Phil, your writing is as biased as that of the “Townspeople with pitchforks” Christian who have pre-judged the movie. My question is why are you so anxious for everyone to run out and see this movie? Do you get a royalty check? Or just anxious that your name in the credits gets maximum exposure? I agree with some of your reasoning: People should be careful about making knee-jerk reactions, and I abhor that tendency in people. Also, it is good to be a positive influence and to take advantage of the opportunity to share the true biblical themes, and one’s faith, with others in discussion about the movie. But I still don’t see why you are so keen on selling tickets to see the movie. The hell away with Hollywood movies in general, much more one that proudly professes to be the least biblical of biblical movies. Sheesh.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I don’t care if anyone sees it Mark. My concern in writing the post was Christian leaders who launch petition drives or boycotts against this movie – or anything else – should simply see it first. If we’re going to impact the culture today we need to know what we’re talking about.
      But for regular folks – if you’re uncomfortable with it, then please don’t go.
      Thanks for posting!

      • Dwight Kuhn

        “My concern in writing the post was Christian leaders who launch petition drives or boycotts against this movie – or anything else” and yet you write a long diatribe encouraging everyone especially Christians to see this movie and never once mention the existence of any such actual boycotts or petition drives (except to add a disclaimer on the film) by any Christian leader? Most leaders have learned that any such acts only provide free advertising to such so-called “works of art,” leaders also know that even lying in a movie is protected free speech. Your article seems addressed to the masses not specifically any leaders.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Dwight – you keep popping up on this blog, so you must like me more than you admit! Keep reading – you’ll come around sooner or later… :-)

          • Dwight Kuhn

            I never said I didn’t like you, in fact I said you seem like an intelligent guy- I just think you’re misguided and not even necessarily for any nefarious purpose- besides you website keeps alerting me every-time you comment ;-)

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Ha! Sorry. I’ll turn off that for you… :-)

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Here’s why I’m anxious for people to see it Mark:
      http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

  • 12centuries

    Phil, I don’t know who you are, but I believe you just embarrassed yourself. Now that we have seen the movie, it’s clear that it’s central message revolved around the following:

    1) animals are more important than people; 2) God is only vindictive, nothing else; 3) God’s righteous one is a crazy loon.

    This is NOT Biblical, it is the spirit of anti-Christ, despite the whitewashing you attempt to give it. You’ve revealed enough for many of us to know that we’ll never buy your books. I’m sorry.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Oh – you should read more of my blog posts. I embarrass myself on a regular basis… :-)

      • 12centuries

        Should I take this to mean you still agree that the central message of the film should be acceptable to followers of Jesus?

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          I would say this – while there are many aspects of the film outside the boundaries of the Biblical story – the main themes of man’s sin, God’s judgement, and God’s mercy are clear. Fallen angels as rock people, the number of people on the boat, or how the animals slept doesn’t put our salvation in jeopardy. If we get hung up on those peripheral issues that don’t really matter, we miss the incredible opportunity to use this film to share our faith with the thousands who will see it. To me, that’s what matters.

          • ladybec113

            Then be truthful as best you can. God is very specific in His word. There’s no better way to witness then the truth. Not by a bunch of lies.

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  • Believer

    This may well be the most sadly self-serving review I have ever read. In other words it is ok for movie makers to take any liberties they please as long as they produce “Bible” films. Never mind very little of it is really supported by the Bible itself. Sad.

  • Harriet

    You must be kidding. I don’t know how much they payed you to write this marketing crap because clearly the only reason you should be writing this. Never mind the theological implications it is the most historically and literary inaccurate movie ever made. There were freaking bazookas and welders helmets and mines in this movie. If they wanted a flood story why not just do the Epic of Gilgamesh. I saw this movie and you saying not to have 100% biblical accuracy is understatement. They could have at least aimed for 20% and they didn’t. 20 years ago they wouldn’t have even accepted this and to see you endorsing this makes me question is anything you say even trustworthy. You’ve obviously sold out.

  • David Odegard

    I just lost all my respect for Phil Cooke. How can you recommend such garbage. The movie is total suck. Thanks for cheapening yourself.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I’m happy to cheapen myself, if it’s an opportunity to use a film like this to share the REAL story of Noah with the hundreds of thousands of people who are watching the film – and use it as an evangelistic effort. Or we can stay in our bubble and make no impact whatsoever.

      • David

        Wow, I don’t know whats worse, the movie, or that you want others to buy into your BS

        • Dwight Kuhn

          Really? “You can’t have opinion on movie based on what other people have said and not watch it yourself?” Did Christ have to commit fornication himself to be able to forgive the harlot? Or to tell her- GO AND SIN NO MORE?

          • Ancois Van Zyl

            Don’t you think you would have more insight and a better formulated opinion if you combine your experience (from seeing the movie) with the opinions of others, rather than go only on what others say? If we all went on what others said, the world would still be flat today. Columbus wanted to know for himself….What I said is go and watch, because many of the people who commented did not even see the movie yet, but they have such a mouth full to say and attack Phil personally.

          • Dwight Kuhn

            In a word, No! I don’t. I will not support Hollywierd’s blasphemy nor encourage anyone else too- especially Christians. Phil is a big boy, he put on his bigboy pants when he wrote this article thus he can and has defended his own statements. Although I’ve read virtually everything here and seen no one attacking Phil “personally here.” He alone bears responsibility for his statements on this blog and merely to point out how wrong he is in those statments- is not an attack..

          • David

            I did see it. Thats why I commented to Phil. I disagree with his comments, And he certainly has a right to state how he feels, but what he’s trying to sale sounds like BS, I’m not living in a bubble as he puts it, I’m just saying that its not a good movie and it’s not correct. In my opinion Phil is wrong on this topic, and it doesn’t make me a bad person to say so anymore than it makes him a bad person to state his opinion. Noah the movie is a dumb show. I saw it, thats my opinion. Special effects were pretty nice though.

      • Ancois Van Zyl

        I am sickened by the judgement from some so called Christian, its sad!Go see the movie and ask for guidance from Holy Spirit as you do it! You can’t have opinion on movie based on what other people have said and not watch it yourself. How you experience the movie as a Christian will depend on your emotional intelligence, which most people need to improve…..and where you are in your spiritual journey!Those who don’t judge and see it as a opportunity are much further along than these emotional outburst of so called Christians. Your judgement is just as great a sin as your opinion of the sins of someone for creating ‘such a movie’.

        Can you imagine if people draw up a petition against the crucifixion of Christ – that would have been the greatest tragedy in all history for our sins would not have been forgiven. We can’t try and stop everything, we can turn it into positive opportunity!

      • Dwight Kuhn

        So exactly who are you sharing that true story and message with- Phil? It’s certainly not showed up on this page anywhere yet? I’m not your judge and don’t really care- but you keep saying that over and over and yet the only thing you seem to actually be doing from top to bottom is making excuse after excuse for why Christians should shell out their dollars to see a blasphemous movie.

        The Director couldn’t buy any better advertising than you give him supposedly for free.

        You don’t have to personally spend a dollar on this movie to witness the truth of the story to someone who has, anymore than you need to stick your hand in a running fan to discuss the fact that doing so will hurt.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          I’m not sure why you’re so angry over this movie Dwight. We worship the God of the universe. Why are we so threatened by a movie??? It doesn’t line up with the Biblical account. I say that clearly in the post. But that doesn’t cause me to run away. I want to use every opportunity to share the REAL story of the Bible with friends and co-workers.
          I don’t care about being right, I care about being a witness. And to that end, if the Bible is right, and “stones will cry out” with praise, then I serve a God who can use anything for His glory.

          • Dwight Kuhn

            I’m not “angry” or “threatened” by a movie, I don’t even care if it’s director/writers lied through his teeth in it’s script. I expect no less from Hollywierd.

            What bothers me far more is a Christian publicly shilling for a movie for no legitimate reason; whose own director acknowledges that it’s not biblical.

            You sir are encouraging Christians to spend money to support a lie- so as to be able to witness to non-Christians about the truth! One does not need to see this movie to do that, you are free to talk to anyone who has seen the movie about the true story any time and anywhere you’d like, in-fact you could ask them about the movie and then discuss the true story and meaning with them entirely without contributing to it’s spreading of a false narrative.

            You nor I need to personally sin in a given way to be able to witness to someone who has- the bible suggests no such thing. But you are.

          • Dwayne

            The more you talk, the more threatened and angry you sound.

          • AD

            Very well said.

          • http://ccnasd.org/ Wayne

            Dwight, I think you’re dead on in your assessment. Early on in my first post here I said that it was the content of this article that I found more disturbing than the movie itself. The idea that Christians are somehow obligated to make the attendance #’s of this film healthy and the reasons given. I can talk to anyone about the story without seeing the movie, it’s not that hard. And the Christians that I know that did see it (avid movie goers) thought it was a stinker.

            BTW, we may attend 3 movies a year – max. And not at the first run theater, we pay $2 a seat. And I assume the producer, director, etc, are probably atheists – no biggee. Neither do I worry about the religion of the restaurant owners where I eat. Maybe not being “movie oriented” makes me an odd bird here. So maybe what I’m trying to convey here is that to be wrapped up in the industry (or anything else) can get one to comprise on principles. We are all susceptible to it… my weakness isn’t movies, it’s politics – I have to remind myself that it’s really not that important, God and his Word is.

            So if that makes me one of the haters that hate and someone feels I’m questioning people’s faith (I’m not)… so be it.

      • David Odegard

        I may have been overly harsh, Phil. The movie is total suck, no matter
        if it fits the Bible or not. The hermeneutic of this film is nowhere
        close to a Bible centered one. It is a fantasy tale that happens to tap
        (slightly) into the Biblical narrative. Your enthusiasm over how many
        new opportunities this will give you to discuss the real account of Noah
        is probably a little over-hoped. This will muddy the water for the
        common American person, not open doors. Along the lines of this logic,
        perhaps we should pray hard that the Muslims can produce a “Jesus is
        Islamic” movie so that we can have even more opportunity to discuss the
        real account with them. OR, how about we just go talk about it? Anyway, I
        am sorry I posted my knee-jerk reaction to your blog. It does seem a
        little syncretistic on your part, but to each his own. Anyway, I hope
        that you are able to connect people to the Scriptures in whatever
        capacity you deem fit.

  • jlmer

    If anyone is going to make a movie based on any Bible story it should be made as accurately as possible. I don’t have to stick my hand in boiling water to know it’s hot. Russell Crowe is an ardent Obama supporter and Obama is as anti-Christian as one can get so that is another reason I refuse to give any support to this movie.

  • Dustin

    I don’t really care about much more than the fact that Noah is not portrayed as a real prophet in this movie. It is like he had a dream while he was stoned, and that led him to build the ark. I believe Noah was one of the greatest prophets of all time. Any movie about him needs to address his prophetic nature, or they are not doing a Bible story at all.

  • Joan

    You are a reviewer? Wow. This movie is obviously hollywood trash. Seriously. It’s blasphemy! WE need to pray for you!

    http://travelwithcyrus.com/2014/03/28/why-russell-crowes-film-noah-has-touched-my-heart-for-all-the-wrong-reasons/

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Not a reviewer. Just someone who thinks we can turn the tables and actually use this as an opportunity to share the REAL story of Noah with the hundreds of thousands of people going to see it.
      Or, we can be snarky and stay in our bubble and make no impact whatsoever.

  • Dixie

    It sounds like you have talked yourself into looking the other way due to the money spent = sellout!!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thanks for that encouragement Dixie.

  • nevanswa

    While I haven’t yet seen the movie (and I definitely intend to), I believe this conversation is all about interpretation…lets look at how so many different religions interpret “God’s word”…so differently they go to war over it…this is just a movie! Good on you for saying your piece Phil!

  • Eric Smith

    Your reasons are exactly why Christians SHOULD NOT see this film. Rather they made NO Biblical films than to have to be subjected to this trashing of our faith.

  • Heather

    I have seen this movie and I have to say I find the comments on here way more disturbing than the actual movie. I totally agree with you! It is a great opportunity to share our faith. What were people expecting? It’s a movie produced by non-Christians….of course they don’t get it.

    One thing I really regretted not seeing in the movie is the power and glory the Old Testament always attributes to God whenever man gets in difficult situations. For example, God uses a small boy to defeat an 8 ft man that leaves whole armies hiding behind lines. Why? To show only God is the only one who has the power to save! The end of David and Goliath leaves you feeling so empowered you are on the side of the one who conquers all. I would have liked to see more of that in this movie. Instead, it looked like Noah was doing it alone.

    However, this is a perfect example of something I’d rather be explaining to a non-believer…..and may have an opportunity to thanks to this movie.

    • Dwayne

      A TRUE CHRISTIAN HEART!

  • Dan

    Phil Cooke. I’m not a Christian but if I was I would like to be like you. Open minded, Wise, and overall a cool sounding kinda guy. The rest of the hate you are getting from these Christian people is not right. It’s in fact, what they would call, a sin. I do not believe what these people are doing to you is right at all and if there is a God, he probably would not be happy with the way they are treating you. I might not be a Christian but I know my dad is. And he enjoyed the movie. To those who believe the movie was wrong please explain then how you can love movies such as, The Passion of The Christ, or, Son of God. Both of those films are not as close to the actual Biblical story as you might think. And a LOT of it is dramatized so that YOU can feel some sort of emotional connection to the story. Without that piece of fiction. The story would be nothing. So what is wrong with adding a bit of Fiction to Noah? A story about a dude who Can talk to God better and cooler than you could ever dream of, A guy who can build a giant ark pretty much by himself, and while all that is going on, look like a Bad ass while doing it. I believe that Cooke is right and instead of being cooped up inside your little bubble of understanding about the whole thing. Just accept that Cooke has his opinion and you have yours. You don’t have to go see the film. You don’t have to. He’s just suggesting you go watch the film and giving you some reasons why it would be a good film. If you don’t want to go see this film then DON’T. You didn’t have to go see Passion of the Christ, and you Don’t have to go see Noah.
    Plus Noah was directed and written so that it would allow many different people to enjoy a story you love so much. In a book you love so much. You should stop hating and start loving. That’s what being a Christian is all about isn’t it? From what I heard being a Christian is about accepting that Jesus Christ is the one true God of the Universe and That you have to believe he died on the Cross for your sins. That’s some true love right there if you ask me. So why don’t you do the same to other people? Love like Jesus did because That guy loves people more than anyone else that ever will exist. I hope this Changes your view points on how you are dealing with this whole thing and I Thank you Phil Cooke. You’re the Kind of person who Thinks when everyone else is being a waist of life.

    • tnt_tsk

      you may not be christian, but god could really use you on his side. my suggestion, give him a chance, you wont regret it

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Awesome post Dan. I’m sorry the ugly comments on this post don’t reflect the way Christians should be discussing an issue. But thanks for reading the post, and I’d love to see you back!
      Thanks for the very thoughtful comment.

    • Dwayne

      Yeah, the hearts of many on this thread sound more like a “Alquada cell” , not Christ like at all! Christian in NAME only!

    • Karen Covell

      Dan, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your comment. I believe that you understand the heart of being a Christian – a follower of Jesus, who is our example of unconditional love – more than some Christians do. Thank you so much for your wise, loving and insightful response. I pray that you can keep being a spokesperson of the Truth, regardless of what you say you believe. I’m touched and impressed by your heart and how you communicate it and I thank you for taking the time to remind all of us of the key to this discussion!!!! I am a Christian, and you have just inspired me to ask God to help me be even a better one! Thank you! And I thank Phil as well. I agree with everything you said about his approach. And let’s all remember, it’s only a movie! What we say to others is more important even than what the movie says to us! Karen Covell

  • tnt_tsk

    Why all the hate against phill? Come on guys, are we christians or not? Anybody here wonder how Jesus might react to a movie like this? Don’t you think he might take what the devil has twisted into something grotesque and maybe try and twist it back? Phill isnt saying this movie is in any way christian or life-changing, i think more like we have this movies noah out in theaters right now, so how do we, as christians, respond? With hate and judgement? Seriously? look at some the comments directed towards him! Maybe take what he said and let it process a bit. I HATE evolution, and apparently its in there. and that bothers me a lot, but once i see this movie, i can use these points to talk to friends and non believers that evolution is in fact total garbage and unlike the movie says, we were actually created by god, along with everything else. Listen to Phil! Take this movie that satan has twisted so hard god isnt even in it and let people know that he is in the story! maybe its for the best that god isnt it the movie because than we would just sit on our asses and do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Now we have a chance to TALK TO PEOPLE! Lets take it and run, make the devil regret he ever messed with a biblical story in the first place. I see a lot of passion on here angrily directed towards Phill. Lets use that passion and point it in the right direction. To GOD be the glory! Amen?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thank you! My hope is that the venom some are displaying won’t impact readers who may be interested in exploring the Bible further. Great comments, and thanks for posting!

    • AD

      We ALWAYS have a chance to talk about people about our faith. If we live lives that shine brightly, and we develop genuine relationships with people who are not believers, we will always have the opportunity to share our faith – movie or not.

  • Elle Stewaivay

    The Director is an atheist, not a Christian.. check your facts next time.

    • Guest

      I don’t think Phil stated anything about the Director being an atheist or a Christian. Should it matter? I think you’re completely missing the point of this article which is a shame because this article was made for people like you.

  • BigAl56

    I agree that we should use this film and others like it, to share the truth with the lost. However, the fact is that this film has been recognised by non-christian journalists as being a green/vegetarian/vegan/pro-choice, propaganda piece.

    Christians are called to follow the example of Jesus Christ primarily and the example of the Prophets and Apostles as well. If we look at how these men reacted to even slight deviations from God’s word, then there is no support for your contention at all.
    We are called to live our lives walking in the Spirit, which is not wandering around seeing visions all the time and casting out demons, as the Pentecostals would have it, but bearing the fruit of the Spirit; Love, Joy, Peace, etc. If we do that, then people will not have to hear us say anything, but recognise us as Christians. That said, we are called to stand FOR truth and AGAINST untruth. God regards truth as extremely important and the truth of His word He regards even above His name (Ps.138:2).
    2 Thess.2:10-11 says that to those who receive not the love of the truth, God will send a strong delusion. That’s right, God, not Satan, will send a strong delusion. WHY? Because of the attitude of these people to the truth.

    We are called to be int the world, not of the world, and while I sympathise with Christians working in the entertainment industry and trying to make a difference, does that mean that Christians who wish to reach strippers, prostitutes, and their cutovers should go work in those industries? Please stop talking this ‘Seeker-friendly’ nonsense. The Bible says very plainly that there is NONE that seeks after God. NO-ONE. It is only by hearing the word of God that faith comes and that through the actions of the Holy Spirit on the hearer’s heart to open their ears.

    I agree that Christians should stop shouting at the producers, studios, etc, about this film, because they will just look foolish and not change anyone’s minds about God or the flood, but I do not agree that Christians should encourage others to see this movie, nor do I agree that we should not respectfully point out the gross errors in the script. Noah did not kill people who tried to get on the Ark. He was not pro-infanticide, the sins that brought the flood were NOT eating meat or pulling up flowers, and the Ark would very likely have been NAILED together with iron nails, as the Bible tells us that Tubal-cain was a worker of brass and iron. The people who lived before the flood were not the primitive people depicted in the movie, but have left artefacts that display a very high degree of technical ability.

    By all means use the film to have conversations with non-Christians, but don’t make pitiful excuses for a movie that any true Christian should have refused to be part of. If ou condone THEIR participation on the grounds you put forward, then you logically can have no objection to Christians working as doormen, waiters, etc, at strip clubs, or in brothels (which are legal in many countries) or Christian medical staff working in abortion clinics.
    If Christians won’t make a stand for the truth at the possible cost of their income, then they can hardly be ready to die for their faith, can they? Yet that is precisely what Jesus said we should be ready to do.
    I guess He was just too extreme for you Philip.

  • marica

    Awesome! Sounds like its definitely worth the watch.

  • http://www.frankviola.net/ Frank Viola

    My Phil, this post has been combustible.

    I’ve not seen the film yet so I have no comment on it specifically. But in general, the medium of film is very powerful, especially if it’s well made and well acted.

    Consequently, if — say — a particular film distorts the image of God, *some* viewers — especially those younger — will be impacted with that image. Images are incredibly powerful in our time. Just sayin.

    fv

    http://frankviola.net

  • http://www.frankviola.net/ Frank Viola

    My Phil, what a combustible post.

    I’ve not seen the film yet, so I have no comment on it specifically. But in general, if a film is well acted and well directed, the images is conveys are very powerful on the human psyche. Thus, if a film — any film — distorts the image of God to make Him out to be something He’s not, that imagery will impact a certain percentage of people — typically younger folks. Images are incredibly powerful. Just sayin.

    fv

    Psalm 115:1

    http://frankviola.net

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Absolutely Frank. Which is why I’m encouraging Christians to be ready to discuss it with anyone who sees it.
      Great point!

      • http://www.frankviola.net/ Frank Viola

        Indeed. I think that’s a great strategy. The film itself can open doors for conversation that otherwise would be shut. I think it should also provoke believers to re-read Genesis 5-8 and look at the historical scholarship on it.

        Peter talks about the spiritual meaning behind Noah, the 8 “souls saved,” and the flood in both his letters. It’s no accident that the dove could rest in the “new creation,” where before, the dove couldn’t rest on the “old creation” that was under God’s judgment. Like the other NT authors, Peter shows that the whole story points to Christ.

  • bryhudso

    Based on all the promotions, we were led to believe that the Noah film would be another good Bible film like “Son of God” or “Passion of the Christ” However, there is one GIGANTIC problem here: The “Noah” film is no “Son of God” or “Passion of The Christ!”

    Said another way, and using the words of Malcolm X from a different but ironically similar context: “You been had! You been took! You been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok!”

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I can’t account for the studio marketing, but in this post I say that it doesn’t line up with the Biblical account. Which is why it’s so strange people are saying that I’m defending the movie! I’m just recommending Christians see it, know what it’s about, and be able to discuss the REAL story of Noah with friends and co-workers. We worship the God of the universe. We shouldn’t feel threatened by a movie… :-)
      Thanks for your post!

      • bryhudso

        Phil, I must say that I admire your “Strength under fire.” People really should not attack you personally. Passion of the Christ set a high bar. Gibson did “creative/artistic” license the right way. As a Bible teacher, the Noah film offends me in a manner that a historian might feel about the Constitutional Congress, American Revolution or Frederick Douglass being fictionalized.
        Some things should not be changed in character and fact. The Bible is one of those things. The Word of God is just not something to trifle with.

      • Sean Armstrong

        Phil, why recommend Christians to expose themselves to the evil within in this movie, there’s nothing a Christian should expose themselves to within this film, let a lone suggest it be recommended that church’s use it!

        Why did they go as far as having John Snowden as a biblical adviser?If this movie was not based on the biblical story, then what was his purpose on set?

        You wouldn’t recommend Christians to watch a movie which promotes satanic worship, so why promote this movie which leans towards evolution and avoids mentioning God?

        Do not be deceived and deluded and misled; God will not allow Himself to be sneered at (scorned, disdained, or mocked by mere pretensions or professions, or by His precepts being set aside.) [He inevitably deludes himself who attempts to delude God.] For whatever a man sows, that and that only is what he will reap. (Galatians 6:7 AMP)

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Apparently Sean, God is bigger than we think:
          http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

          • Sean Armstrong

            Phil tell me then, how many of those reading from these online bible apps aren’t Christians?
            I use both these apps all the time. Christians that are against this film are merely cross referencing to see where on earth this film got it’s info from. As they read, it certainly is not from the bible, Gods Holly Word!

            More & more reviews I read from Christians, all tell a common story. This film is unbiblical, therefore a waste of time & money in there view. Their reviews are all negative towards the film.
            Any movie producing as many negative reviews is heading one way, towards the bottom of a list of films to watch.

            Churches wanting to use this movie as an excuse to get the truth out, need question their stand before God.
            Jesus never used evil to teach people about God. As it’s said in the bible; Abstain from evil!

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Sean, you may be the most confident person of what Jesus would and wouldn’t do that I’ve ever met. Your question here is simply speculation. We can’t tract the state of people’s hearts who are reading the Bible. The American Bible Society says that because of Noah, they’re getting a remarkable increase in visitors in their New York City office inquiring about the Noah story for the first time.
            I’ll default to the Apostle Paul: “But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.”

      • bryhudso

        Certainly not threatened, just insulted by something so unbiblical and misleading:
        Here’s a 15 second review :-)
        http://youtu.be/DV7yx2y3TtY

  • butterscotch

    Please read this article about the movie and tell me what you think:
    http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2014/3/31/sympathy-for-the-devil

    • bryhudso

      This is the most definitive article I’ve read about the likely spiritual underpinnings of Mr. Aronofsky and why the Bible was not used as a basis for the Noah movie. No one, not even atheists lack spiritual motivations.

      Truly insightful, not just hyperbole for or against the movie.

      • walkercreative

        Having read it, I agree, however disconcerting that may be.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke
  • Michael TX

    Here is a reflection of the thoughts that are to be filtered while watching. Good thoughts Phil. Hope somebody enjoys the review. http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3036/inoahi_a_theological_reflection.aspx#.UzrPiPldWom

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Very thoughtful piece Michael. Thanks for sending, and very nice job.

      • Michael TX

        Your welcome.

  • bryhudso

    This morning, I did my devotions and daily reading. Also began writing my Noah movie review. The pre-planned scripture today was part of God’s plan and basis for the article: Luke 6:5, A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

    The Noah movie is the product of Aronofsky’s atheist heat. I will not assign the word “evil” to the man for the purposes of my article, but the principle is crystal clear: We all can only say, do, and produce from the “abundance” of ours hearts.

    What Aronofsky actually did with the Bible story of Noah, despite all the hyperbole and propping up of his movie by its Christian supporters, shows his person lack of concern for biblical truth and accuracy.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke
      • bryhudso

        Thanks for the link. Also posted my response to that article:
        ———–
        Wow! That’s an interesting question and response. Your answer is “yes.”

        I guess we’ll have to live with different standards. That is, producers (atheist and otherwise) and consumers of movies and entertainment will not be burdened by expectations of godliness, discretion, and accountability to a biblical standard–whatever that means now.

        Reminds me of preachers, musicians (and all who “perform”) that get to live any kind of lifestyle so long as one performs well.

        When we make a popular and profitable end product the basis of acceptability, we diminish all voices that call for a higher standard. (Whatever that is now).

        Phil, I understand your message now. To be fair, It is coming from a culture and values with which I am unfamiliar. Looking at the whole scope of the film, the studio, director, lead actors, cast, its Christian apologists, and supporters, I am actually glad that my culture is not associated with this whole enterprise. It will remain outside our experience, culture, and training.

        One thing is certain: Aronofsky’s “Noah” (and all films in this genre) are non-essential to Christian living and something not worthy of my, family’s, or communities’ confidence and money.

  • Ken H

    Phil: While well-intentioned, you are severely off track. Just take a look at some of the points you try to make:

    They “went to great lengths to get the ark built to exact Biblical measurements, and did an amazing amount of research”. Really? How much research does it take to read 3 chapters in the Bible?

    “This isn’t the Sunday School sanitized version of the story”. Absolutely right. The Sunday school version probably would be filled with truth.

    “For at least a decade, we’ve been asking Hollywood to produce movies based on the Bible. Now that they’re doing it, let’s be more encouraging. So far, they’ve proven to be serious in the effort, whether they miss the target or not. So let’s support it, not stifle it.” Other than a guy named “Noah”, a large boat and some water, this isn’t “based on the Bible” any more than Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” is.

    “Should we really expect every Bible based film to be 100% accurate?” Maybe not, but even 5% would be nice. (C’mon, Phil!)

    “Paramount Studios is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and promote a Bible story. ” Not true. This is not a Bible story and Paramount Studios is only interested in generating way more than hundreds of millions of dollars to turn a tidy profit.

    “This is a powerful opportunity to share our faith” and “let’s consider Hollywood a mission field”. Well, why don’t we all take friends to see Friday the 13th movies and witness to them about how Jesus can overcome evil in the world?

    • Robert Jory

      What part isn’t true? A vindictive god makes an ant farm but decides they are all killing each other too much so he drowns them. The Sunday School version forgets to use the word genocide which is the closest truth this story would have if it wasn’t made up in the first place.

  • Marlee

    If a non-christian approaches a christian and brings up the movie and they cut it down and talk about how awful it was and be negative then that person now has a negative opinion of the christian. Whether you see the movie or not I hope every talks to people about it in a way that does not make him or her look spiteful towards it. I see where Phil is coming from. We just need to remember that no matter how much we hate it it is an opportunity for us. If we talk to non-christians in a positive way about it they may have a better opinion of christianity. I was mad about this movie at first but this article has made me realize that some people will look for any negativity they can. You don’t have to watch it just be positive about it.

    • Robert Jory

      Just don’t ask them to read the bible. Seems that’s how most Christians are becoming atheists these days.

      • Marlee Beale

        I don’t understand where you are getting at with this reply. All I said was we can’t look like were negatively attacking the movie. Your comment on the Bible confuses me. Some atheists will look for anyway to make Christians look worse so why give them a reason. They will interpret our negativity as weakness.

        • Peter D. Blair

          An atheist is a person who does not believe in God, an Anti-theist attacks religion openly because they don’t like it. Attacking christianity makes you an anti-theist NOT an Atheist.

    • Dwight Kuhn

      Do you mean sort of like how Moses said to Aaron- “Wow man, what a great job you did on that there Golden Calf? – God’s gonna love that one, I’m sure he can use a neat calf like that to convert the surrounding heathen peoples!”- Right before Moses burnt it and ground it to powder and made all of them drink it?
      Or maybe your were thinking of that time when Jesus told the all bystanders: “how nice and organized the money changers tables all looked in the temple and how professional their operation seemed?” I’m sure Jesus was thinking “that he could use their operation to convince a lot of Jews to follow him” – Right before he flipped over those tables and drove them out of it- with a WHIP? I’m “positive” about this movie! – God never approves of re-writing his story whether done by a Christian or an Atheist, he’s pretty much an “equal opportunity hater” of all such sins.

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        These are interesting numbers Dwight:
        http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

        • Dwight Kuhn

          I never said or implied that God “couldn’t” use this blasphemous movie and make something positive out of the hype its generated. Good grief man, God once used an ass, to get his message out- certainly he can use you and or an atheist. But your premise still presupposes that it is somehow Okay to lie and make a blatantly false movie “allegedly based on the Bible” if God ultimately uses that lie for his good- You sir are far too intelligent to be making such an unsophisticated “ends justifies the means argument.” Romans 6: 1-2.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            That’s because it’s not a Bible movie Dwight. You may be the last person in America to realize this.
            :-)
            Paramount never marketed it as a Bible movie. In this post I said it doesn’t line up with the Biblical account at all. And yet Christians across the country are seizing this opportunity to use it to share the real story of the Bible. That’s why the numbers of Christians and non-Christians reading the Noah story are so high. What an incredible thing!
            Let go of your anger Dwight, and either sit it out, or use it to share the gospel.
            Your choice.
            As for me, I’m moving on to other things on the blog and I’d love for you to join me.
            All the best.

          • Dwight Kuhn

            As Hillary Clinton once said: “Words matter!” As a blogger you know that better than anyone. Which is why my concern was never with the movie but rather with your promotion thereof to Christians in particular. I was well aware this movie was not a Bible movie before it was ever released and yet in your own blog above you cunningly twist words mentioning in both Paragraphs 4 and 6 that it “is” a Bible movie/story that Christians supposedly wanted Hollywierd to make, while in the same breath tacitly acknowledging that it is not. Peace!

          • Dwight Kuhn

            I will give you this much- at least you had the courage to accept public criticism even if you still haven’t grasped the nature of my concern about your blog. Again, Peace.

  • http://politivajustice.com/ Politiva_com

    Transformer Rock People? Really?

    • Robert Jory

      They are known as nephilim in the bible. Seems atheists read the book more than Christians.

      To be honest I was hoping some unicorns would show up on the ark.

      Isaiah 34:7
      And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

      • Dawn Nielson

        Wild oxen shall fall with them,
        and young steers with the mighty bulls.
        Their land shall drink its fill of blood,
        and their soil shall be gorged with fat. Isiah 34:7 in English Standard you quoted KJV which was translated in 1611, the translations from our life times are more correct for what the Biblical author was expressing.

        • Robert Jory

          You would think the word of a god would have only one version. They can’t all be right if there are such great differences as naming something a unicorn in one and an oxen in another. But I’m sure YOU know which is the correct one.

          • Dawn Nielson

            It is translated from the original Hebrew OT, and Greek NT the languages don’t always have the exact meaning from the original meaning to ours. They did the best they knew how in 1611 with what was available to them, now we have incredible access to the original words and can translate to our language today the closest meaning possible. Anyone that wants to can study the original language themselves and do their own translation if they choose. The “correct one” is the original autographs.

      • http://politivajustice.com/ Politiva_com

        I’ll give you that if biblical scholars can’t agree on what Nephilim were then the director is free to make them six armed Ent-Rock-People.
        On Unicorns, get a 200-year-old Noah Webster’s dictionary and look up the word “unicorn”, it will say “rhinoceros,”

  • http://miraclesignsanddesigns.com Paul Wesley Miracle

    It’s also crucial to remember the the Noah’s Ark story, and the flood is in many other religions as well. The bible isn’t the only holy book that covers this event in history that indeed did happen. Did it happen exactly the way in the bible or other religious books? Who knows for certain, but it did happen. So it’s not just a religious historical event, it is man’s historical event.

    • Robert Jory

      Floods happen all the time. Everything in the bible happens in an extremely small area compared to the rest of the planet. A localized flood would have seemed to a primitive people as the whole world being underwater. Since floods can happen anywhere there is water, of course there would be stories about them in other, older religions.

      • Sean Armstrong

        Robert, you’re daydreaming about your theory.
        If this is so, please explain why Noah’s Ark was found up the mountains …that’s one almighty big localised flood!!

        • Robert Jory

          It wasn’t found. Next question.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Robert you need to do your own research, not listen to those who deny God exists.

            Noah’s Ark Found
            Read here:-
            http://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/470/Noah-s-Ark-Has-Been-Found-Why-Are-They-Keeping-Us-In-The-Dark-

          • Robert Jory
          • Sean Armstrong

            It’s very sad scientist will continue to deny the evidence before them, yet continue to deceive their followers this way. They try to explain how the layers of the earth give dates going as far back as billions of years, then deny the facts when presented to them like this of Noah’s Ark!

            Watch this video below; does that article then make sense in what he’s trying to say!?!

          • Robert Jory

            http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1985830,00.html

            Not surprisingly, there are skeptics. Eric Cline, a prominent biblical archaeologist at George Washington University and author of the best-selling From Eden to Exile: Unraveling Mysteries of the Bible, questions why this group made up mostly of amateurs in the field chose to announce their findings at a press conference rather than have them peer-reviewed and then published in a scholarly journal, as is standard archaeological and scientific practice. “You see these sorts of claims almost every other year,” he says. “When people of faith go out looking for things, it seems they almost always find them.”

            Believe the amateurs or the prominent biblical archaeologist with a best selling book on the subject? Hmm, tough question.

  • AD

    I disagree with #6. This movie was not based on the Bible, it was based on the Kabbalah. http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2014/3/31/sympathy-for-the-devil

  • Janet Morrow

    this is not a movie that i would wish to see nor take anyone i would want to witness to to see either! It portays God as vindictive and Noah has no righteousness about him either, this is what someone has said who did go and see that film who is a believer! It doesn’t have to be 100% accurate but it does need to glorify God which this one clearly does not!

    • Robert Jory

      Glorify your god in church. This is just a movie for entertainment value.

      • Anthony C

        As a Christian, you do not glorify God on a Sunday in Church only. You are suppose to glorify him in EVERYTHING you do. Being a Christian is not a one day a week thing but every moment of your life

        • Robert Jory

          Enjoy being a slave every moment of your life.

          • Sean Armstrong

            That’s what Christianity is all about, giving your ALL to Christ!

          • Robert Jory

            Since your faith appears to be very strong, can you tell me what makes you think the bible is true?

          • Sean Armstrong

            It is Gods Word, Gods word is factual, this earth started from nothing but by the Word of God.
            Once your read the bible, open your heart & mind to the Word, not listening to others, your question will be revealed to you!

          • Robert Jory

            Yes, I understand you think it is the word of god. But what makes you think it is the word of god? You can’t use the bible to prove the bible. How do you know the book is what the book says it is?

          • Sean Armstrong

            Look around you and try disprove it’s content!

          • Robert Jory

            Check out http://bibviz.com/

            Hundreds of contradictions in a book of hate, murder, misogyny, incest and scientific inaccuracies. Never in the history of man has a scientific experiment ended with the resulting cause being “magic”.

            So I’d really like to know why you are so faithful. Maybe I’m doing something wrong by looking for the truth but finding it all made up. What makes you know the bible is true?

          • Sean Armstrong

            In Matthew 4:4 “It is written: ‘A man does not live by bread only, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.”

            Why Should I Study the Bible?

            The Bible is no ordinary book. The words within its pages are like medicine to your soul. It has the power to change your life because there is life in the Word! (See Hebrews 4:12.) And when you discover the power and truth of God’s Word, you will begin to see changes in your life that only this truth can bring. You will even learn how to recognize what the enemy tries to bring against you.

            The good news is, it won’t take you 30 years to know what you need to know. Just begin where you are right now and determine to stick with it! Every time you study the Bible and pay attention to what you’re reading, you’re learning something.

            Proverbs 4:20-22 says, “My son attend to my words…for they are life to those who find them…” The word “attend” means to pay attention to, give some time to something. To attend to the Word of God is a lot more than just reading; it’s meditating on it.

            We need to get into agreement with what God wants us to do because, as the writer of Proverbs says, these words are life! When you need an encouraging word, or you’re in a negative environment, it’s good to know that you can find life (plus healing and health) in God’s Word.

          • Robert Jory

            Again you are just quoting bible verses. How do you know the bible is true? You can quote it all day long but that doesn’t prove it to be true. I’m just curious as to what makes you know 100% that everything in it is factual when it’s so easy to see discrepancies.

          • john

            When a person experiences something, it becomes very difficult for someone else to convince them that their experience was a mere event. Until you experience what sean and a lot of other people experience with the word of God, it would be difficult for you to understand. For this reason I beg you, please try reading the Bible everyday for the next 30 days and see what happens. If you truly believe it’s an ordinary book, then take this challenge, please.

          • Robert Jory

            Drugs also cause an experience, but that doesn’t make it real. I’ve read plenty of the bible including the parts they don’t give lessons about in church. That’s the reason I’m an atheist. If the only reason you can put forth for believing this book is the word of a god is that you had a chemical reaction in your brain then I’ll look for a better answer from someone else.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Try another Church if you feel they’re not teaching the scriptures or omitting parts of the scriptures.
            Makes sure the teaching are where they teach about Jesus Christ, you can’t go wrong with them.

          • Robert Jory

            What’s so special about Jesus? There is no historical record, other than the bible which I don’t trust as historically accurate, that Jesus even existed. You’d think someone walking around performing miracles on homeless people would have some record of this happening. And even if by some miracle(pun intended) he was a real person there is no evidence he had anything to do with an all powerful god. He would have just been a nice guy. That means there is no reason to go to a church or follow a religious establishment. People should already know how to be a nice person. If you need someone threatening you with eternal hellfire in order to not run around raping and killing people you’re a bad person to begin with.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Robert, you must be walking around with your fingers in your ears & blind!

            What so special about Jesus? You asked …Jesus IS the son of God and there is no other way to get to God, BUT through Jesus Christ! He is the only one who brings God close to us today, as His life was made the final sacrafice that God accepted to bring us to Him. There is no other way to God.

            There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.

          • Robert Jory

            How do you know Jesus is the son of a god? Hercules was the son of a god, do you worship and follow him?

            There is no evidence for Jesus outside of the bible. Christianity didn’t begin until hundreds of years after the supposed death of Jesus. By then it was only stories and legends passed down through generations. It wasn’t an established church in the Roman Empire until the end of the 4th century.

            Of course people will die for what they believe in. That in no way proves what they believe is true. People with mental disorders believe they can fly and have been known to jump off buildings thinking they would soar through the air to only end up a stain on the sidewalk.

          • Sean Armstrong

            What’s so special about Jesus?
            Who Is Jesus? What Did He Do?

            Jesus Christ is The Son of God!
            He came into the world as a human being, lived a sinless life, died on the cross and rose from the dead to save humanity from dying in their sins!

            Christ died to pay for our sins, your sins can be forgiven. And because He conquered death, you can have eternal life — you can know for sure what will happen to you after you die.
            But this gift of forgiveness and eternal life cannot be yours unless you…

            Ask forgiveness.
            Believe in the gift of salvation.
            Pray to confess your sin.
            Receive Christ into your life.

            Is there evidence Jesus existed?

            There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. Perhaps the greatest evidence that Jesus did exist is the fact that literally thousands of Christians in the first century A.D., including the twelve apostles, were willing to give their lives as martyrs for Jesus Christ. People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Sadly, you are very wrong in saying there are discrepancies in the Holly Bible!
            If you take parts of the Bible out of context, then it may look like a discrepancy, but the rest of the chapters & verses clarify the meaning of what you read.

          • Robert Jory

            Matthew 27:5

            And he [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

            Acts 1:18

            Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

            In what context does hanging himself and falling in a field to burst open mean the same thing?

          • Sean Armstrong

            Read the whole chapter!

            Read this Matthew 27

            Judas Hangs Himself
            (Zechariah 11:10-17; Matthew 26:14-16; Mark 14:10-11)

            3Then Judas, which betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4saying, I have sinned in that I betrayed innocent blood. But they said, What is that to us? see thou to it. 5And he cast down the pieces of silver into the sanctuary, and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. 6And the chief priests took the pieces of silver, and said, It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, since it is the price of blood. 7And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. 8Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. 9Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price;
            10and they gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord appointed me.

          • Robert Jory

            For this particular one I will admit that it could make sense. They used the blood money to buy a field and moved his body there where it burst open which is believable of a rotting corpse.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Now we getting somewhere ..,I’m happy!

            Please read all of this below, sorry it’s long.
            Good night ;-)

            Romans 7 – The Bible Doesn’t Contradict Itself?

            The Word of God is the basis for our faith. “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.” If the Bible obviously contradicts itself how could we possibly have any faith in it? How could we base our eternal destiny on what it says if one chapter tells us something and the next chapter contradicts it? There are places where there might appear to be a contradiction to the casual reader, but to the person who reads and studies the whole Bible, it makes perfect sense. However, what has been done with Romans 7 is to make blatant, obvious contradictions.

            Many people, including preachers and Sunday School teachers, who preach Romans 7 as the normal Christian experience obviously don’t know that Romans 6 and 8 are in the Bible, too. Let’s pretend that we are talking to one of these people and we are quoting from Romans 6 and see what he has to say. Now remember, Romans 7 is the basis for his faith and everything he believes must be reconciled somehow to fit with his twisted interpretation, so these answers are not at all absurd or unreasonable, considering what he professes to believe about salvation and deliverance from sin. As a matter of fact they are exactly what the average “Christian” believes in our day.

            What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom. 6:1

            “Of course! Where sin abounds grace does much more abound!”

            Never mind that the Bible says in the next verse, “God forbid.” God NEVER encourages, or excuses sin. Sin NEVER glorifies God and it is NEVER his will, or part of his will! Let’s read another verse for him.

            Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom. 6:6

            His understanding of this verse would have to be, “Well, this is after we die, because we all know that we have this rotten flesh and we can never live right as long as we are living in this vile body.”

            For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Rom. 6:14

            “The first part is heresy because we all sin every moment of every day in thought, word, and deed. But I like that second part about not being under the law. Where did you read that?”

            What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?… Rom. 6:15

            “Why not? If we are not under the law, then we aren’t really sinning when we break it, are we?”

            Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Rom. 6:18

            “This is when we all get to heaven. We will not be free from sin until we die and are freed from this evil body God created us with. We will all serve God in heaven in true righteousness, but that is impossible here on earth.”

            For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. Rom. 6:20

            “Oh yeah, while we lived on earth in bodies of clay we never could do right, so we were free from righteousness. Hallelujah! I sure am glad God doesn’t hold that against us!”

            But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Rom. 6:22

            “That means we are free from the PENALTY of sin – not the power or the presence of sin. We aren’t going to hell when we die because we have professed Christ as our Saviour. We now have everlasting life and we will be holy when we get to heaven.”

            Hopefully, you can see the point. Anytime we take one verse or chapter out of the Bible and misinterpret it we are in trouble. We then have to wrest all the other Scriptures to make them compatible with our fleshly ideas. We must study the Bible as a whole and make sense of the different things in which God instructs us. The Bible, as a whole, teaches us that there is sin and there is righteousness. There are converted people, and there are unconverted people, and the difference is clear and distinct. Saved people walk after the Spirit and lost people walk after the flesh. Saved people have victory over continual, habitual sin in their lives, while lost people may want to do right, but are never able to consistently do so. Jesus came to save sinners from their sin, not just to promise them a “home in heaven bye and bye.”

            Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor. 5:17

            How can anyone who reads the rest of the Bible, and especially the New Testament, look at Romans 7 and believe that it is speaking of the normal Christian experience? It is confusion and contradiction on a large scale. Anyone whose mind is working properly cannot accept such contradiction and confusion. Taking this view of Romans 7 will certainly not encourage holy living. It will not produce faith in people who hear it because it undermines the Word of God with its blatant contradiction of so many other Scriptures.

            Romans 6:3-5 speaks of being baptized into Christ. This is talking about spiritual baptism, not water baptism, but it’s the same picture we use to describe what water baptism is about. It is a testimony to the world that we have died with Christ, we have buried the old man, and we are risen anew to walk with Him. They will say something like, “Baptized in the likeness of Christ’s death; raised in the likeness of his resurrection.” Then the new convert will come to Sunday School or a revival meeting and hear that he might as well give up on being free from sin because it isn’t going to happen this side of the grave. What confusion!

            But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. Rom. 13:14

            We are told not to make provision for the flesh. We are not to give place to the devil. But isn’t that exactly what we are doing when we say that we are “carnal, sold under sin” and make that the basis for understanding everything else about the Christian life? Another contradiction!

            For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Rom. 8:5

            God always makes the way clear. It is fleshly-minded men who muddy the waters. Carnally-minded people want to make a way for a person to be walking in the Spirit and walking after the flesh at the same time, but God doesn’t allow such a thing in his Word. One must wrest the Scriptures and take verses, or even whole chapters, out of context in order to support such a teaching.

            In order to believe Romans 7 represents what the Spirit-filled walk is all about a person has to ignore Romans 8. There is not a chapter anywhere else in the Bible that is more full of victory than Romans 8. For example:

            Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. Rom. 8:37

            The first of chapter 8 refutes the idea that the best Christian experience is “O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from this body of death.”

            There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom. 8:1

            Those who claim their experience as “I am carnal, sold under sin” cannot claim this verse also. It is a plain contradiction. If they are carnal that means they are walking after the flesh. If Romans 8:1 is true you can’t walk after the flesh and be free from condemnation. The only way that would be possible would be if you have a reprobate mind. You would feel no condemnation then.

            Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom. 8:7

            So we have people who believe that they are Christians, but their very mind is enmity with God, they are not subject to the law of God, and neither indeed can be. That is a strange thing indeed considering what 1 John 2:3-4 says:

            And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

            Because our friend we talked to above takes parts of the Bible out of context he would take great comfort in this verse out of Romans 8:

            So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom. 8:8

            But we must tell him that it doesn’t end there. We need to read the next verse also:

            But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom. 8:9

            We are not in the flesh? That’s right! If the Spirit of God dwell in you, then you are not walking after the flesh. The common understanding in this apostate age is that we are really two people living in the same body and we are both carnal and spiritual at the same time. That is an absolute falsehood that is not taught anywhere in the Word of God. It is the invention of men and the result of the influence of ancient Gnosticism that flesh is evil and therefore as long as we live in a body of flesh we are going to be evil. You cannot have the Spirit of God dwelling in you and walk after the flesh at the same time. What we are talking about here is a habit of life, or lifestyle. A true Christian is capable of being influenced by fleshly things and even capable of sinning, but it is not his habit or lifestyle any longer. He is delivered from that. He is no longer a servant of sin, but a servant of righteousness. Those who believe Romans 7 to be the normal and best experience of the Christian life boldly deny that fact with their teachings.

            It IS important what you believe and teach about Romans 7. I remember while on the mission field in Mexico a song that was a favorite among many of the church people. The title of the song was “Siempre Pecaré,” which literally means “I Will Always Sin.” No kidding! The theme of the song was Romans 7 and what a loser a Christian is. He is worthless, useless, helpless, and hopeless in this life. No matter how hard he tries or what he does, he is always going to sin. One of the lines of the song even said “all I do is sin.” Now anyone who knows anything about the Bible would see immediately that whoever wrote that song has misunderstood the Scriptures. Not only that, but they have misunderstood what salvation is all about. What a pity when people in church preach, teach, and sing songs about defeat and hopelessness and present it as the best God has to offer sinful men! You can be sure that if any sinner embraces this kind of teaching he will live it that way. Could that explain why the churches are full of people like this? Could this be part of the reason the world has no regard for the church or Christianity any more? It matters what you believe about Romans 7!

          • Robert Jory

            The problem with a lot of that is it sees faith as a good thing, which I don’t. It also talks about sin which I don’t believe in.

            Faith by definition is complete trust or confidence in someone or something. There is nothing in this world that I have a complete trust in. I trust my friends and family but if one of them told me they were abducted by aliens I would not take that on faith. I would want to see some evidence. If they told me they have a new dog I would probably trust them because it’s something that happens often. The things in the bible are not commonplace nor are they believable.

            Sin is an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. I don’t follow any divine law so I don’t see any immoral act as a transgression against any laws. Some immoral acts are against society’s law and deserve punishment. Some immoral acts are protected by society’s laws. I consider telling a child that if they don’t love Jesus they will burn in hell forever is immoral. US law protects your right to tell your children that, which I disagree with.

            The original sin is Adam eating the fruit that god told him not to eat. Because of this one act all other humans are deserving of punishment. Do you really believe that? If your father was a murderer do you think you should receive the same punishment he gets? It makes no sense. And then the way to remove this punishment according to the bible is for god to impregnate a young girl with a part of himself who will then be killed as a martyr for everyone else and we are told this is a good thing. Do you think a whipping boy from medieval times was a good thing? If you’re not sure what that is, it’s when a royal or rich child did something wrong a peasant or poor child would be whipped as the other boy’s punishment. Does that make sense? Hurt one child for another child’s punishment? Jesus is the whipping boy for all humans because of another human’s wrong doing.

          • Yolandi Strydom

            You can’t judge someone else eating an apple until you have tasted that Apple for yourself! What if the apple is as good as we say and you never tasted ….? We all have our own choice. And we only live once…

          • Robert Jory

            Whether you like a piece of fruit is different for each person. Some people hate the taste of apples while others love the taste. It’s not opinion or something you can change like your religious belief, it’s biologically preset by the development of your taste buds. You can understand a religious belief is harmful without practicing it personally. I can judge Islam as an evil cult in the world without having to have been a Muslim before. I think the same way of Christianity but I actually grew up as a Christian so I understand it’s horrors even better.

          • Dawn Nielson

            The Proof of the Doctrine

            Briefly summarized the proof of the doctrine of inerrancy involves four concepts.

            It involves the witness of Scripture to its own inerrancy. Is this a valid witness? Yes, for everyone has the right to speak for himself, and indeed there are some things that would never be known if the one involved did not speak for himself.

            There are three classes of Scriptural references that testify to inerrancy. The first is the class of verses which affirm the truthfulness of God (cf. above In relation to the character of God). These testify to the truthfulness of the communication of His revelation. The second involves verses which emphasize the abiding character of the complete Scriptures. There are two principal passages. The first guarantees the abiding character of the letters which make up words and the parts of letters which distinguish them from each other. The reference is to the Lord’s statements in Matthew 5:17–19 of the relevance of the jot (which is the smallest Hebrew letter) and the tittle (the minor stroke which distinguishes certain Hebrew letters from one another). Of course, the Lord’s statement has no meaning if the Scriptures are subject to errancy. The other passage is John 10:33–36 where the Lord states that the Scripture cannot be broken. This is an assertion that the entire Scripture cannot be broken and that the particular words being quoted on that occasion cannot be broken. This is only possible because the Scripture is true in each particular and in all its parts.

            The third class of Scriptures contains those in which an argument is based on a word or a form of a word. Of course, if the Bible is not inerrant such arguments cease to be of any weight. When answering the Sadducees the Lord based His argument on the present tense of the verb to be (Matt 22:32). In questioning the Pharisees He set His trap on the single word “Lord” (Matt 22:43–45). Paul’s argument in Galatians 3 is based on the singular form of the word “seed” in contrast to the plural (v. 16). None of these arguments is valid unless tenses, words, and singulars and plurals are to be trusted. And they cannot be trusted apart from inerrancy.

            It involves a proper concept of communication. Hodge has best stated this argument as follows: “Men think in words, and the more definitely they think the more are their thoughts immediately associated with an exactly appropriate verbal expression. Infallibility of thought can not be secured or preserved independently of an infallible verbal rendering.”

            It involves the analogy of Christ. Frequently the objection is raised, How can the Bible be without error since all the writings came through the instruments of men who are fallible? The answer to this involves an analogy with the person of Christ. It might be objected that the person of Christ cannot be sinless because humanity is sinful. But the person of Christ is sinless because humanity is not necessarily per se sinful. The first man was created sinless and our Lord took upon Himself the form of sinful flesh, but not sinful flesh. Sinfulness is not necessary to humanity; indeed the pattern of real humanity is not to be found in the universal examples of fallen men around us. Likewise, fallibility is not a necessary part of the result of man’s being used to convey God’s revelation. Usually man does corrupt whatever he touches, but this need not be so, and it was not so in the giving of the Scriptures.

            It involves faith. No one who holds to inerrancy denies that there are problems. Nor does he deny that fully satisfactory solutions have not been found to all the problems. But, accepting the witness of Scripture to its own inerrancy, when he meets a problem for which he presently has no solution, he places his trust in the Scriptures rather than his fallible mind. After all, the Bible has proved its reliability in many ways and in many areas, and it is worthy of our trust. Man’s knowledge has often proved unreliable and at best it is limited. “It is indeed true that we should not close our minds and researches to the ever-progressing resolution of difficulties under the illumination of the Spirit of truth, but those whose approach to faith is that of resolution of all difficulty have deserted the very nature of faith and of its ground.” Even though the problems connected with apparent discrepancies, parallel passages, manner of quotation, absence of original autographs, etc., may not yet have been fully solved, neither have they ever been conclusively demonstrated to contain errors. In the meantime they are proper subjects for reverent, scholarly investigation—reverence that includes a proper faith in the God of truth and His inerrant record of that truth.11

            Ryrie, C. C. (2010). Dr. Ryrie’s Articles (pp. 55–56). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

          • Robert Jory

            “Of course, if the Bible is not inerrant such arguments cease to be of any weight.”

            We know the bible is not inerrant because there are literally hundreds of contradictions in it. So he just explained why his arguments have no weight.

            Here’s a easy contradiction you’ll understand.

            First god says he made animals and then man afterwards.

            Genesis 1:25-27

            And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and the cattle after their kind … And God said, Let us make man … So God created man in his own image.

            Then another passage says god made man first and then animals afterward so man wouldn’t be alone.

            Genesis 2:18-19

            And the Lord God said it is not good that man should be alone; I will make a help-meet for him. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them.

            Both can not be true, therefor one is incorrect. Error in the bible is easy to find. Convincing people who are indoctrinated is the hard part.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Read the whole chapter not just part of the chapter, it won’t make sense if you read part of it only as you seem to be doing. In Genesis 2 verse 4 it clearly states what the whole chapter is about.
            This is the HISTORY of the heavens and of the earth when they were created. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens– (Genesis 2:4 AMP)
            If you only read part of a chapter it will never make sense, hence the reason atheists pick up on this, claiming the bible contradicts itself.
            Read it with an open mind and not that of an atheist programmed mind

          • Dawn Nielson

            Please do not refer to my intelligence by suggesting I do not know the Bible, I have been in Bible school for 4 years and have been a changed follower of Jesus since 1996 when I started and never stopped studying my Bible and applying it to my life, I am living proof it is true I have been completely changed everything is different and I did not do that Jesus did. I did not refer to your intelligence in any way in my responses with you.

            Some people are all too eager to see “errors” in the Bible, but have overlooked some rather obvious features of Scripture. First, inerrancy does not mean that there will be total verbal correspondence between parallel accounts appearing in different places in the Bible. The fact that Mt., Mk., and Lk. do not agree on a particular incident in the life of Christ does not warrant immediately jumping to the conclusion that one or more is wrong. Often a plausible explanation—one of many possible ones—is that the writers are all reporting true details, but are highlighting or picking and choosing according to their specific purposes in writing. An assumption of this kind gives the Bible the benefit of the doubt until apparent errors can be clarified.

            The Bible is a genuine book with normal literary features. To opt for error in response to figurative language is an invalid approach. The Bible is not presenting error when Jesus claims He is a door. It should be expected to make effective use of symbols and pictures.

            Similarly, we should not expect the Bible to employ a technical and scientific vocabulary, matching the standards of rigorous description of any particular age. And the Bible can hardly be faulted for saying “the sun rises and sets” when we do the same—and know that the sun does no such thing.

            Furthermore, inerrancy does not usually depend on the matter of establishing the Hebrew or Greek text. Those who claim the Bible has errors do not usually point to variant readings as examples of errors.

            Karleen, P. S. (1987). The handbook to Bible study: with a guide to the Scofield study system (p. 197). New York: Oxford University Press.

          • Robert Jory

            http://bibviz.com/

            These must all be the readers fault and not that the bible is full of errors being written by a primitive people.

          • Dawn Nielson

            Some people are all too eager to see “errors” in the Bible, but have overlooked some rather obvious features of Scripture. First, inerrancy does not mean that there will be total verbal correspondence between parallel accounts appearing in different places in the Bible. The fact that Mt., Mk., and Lk. do not agree on a particular incident in the life of Christ does not warrant immediately jumping to the conclusion that one or more is wrong. Often a plausible explanation—one of many possible ones—is that the writers are all reporting true details, but are highlighting or picking and choosing according to their specific purposes in writing. An assumption of this kind gives the Bible the benefit of the doubt until apparent errors can be clarified.

            The Bible is a genuine book with normal literary features. To opt for error in response to figurative language is an invalid approach. The Bible is not presenting error when Jesus claims He is a door. It should be expected to make effective use of symbols and pictures.

            Similarly, we should not expect the Bible to employ a technical and scientific vocabulary, matching the standards of rigorous description of any particular age. And the Bible can hardly be faulted for saying “the sun rises and sets” when we do the same—and know that the sun does no such thing.

            Furthermore, inerrancy does not usually depend on the matter of establishing the Hebrew or Greek text. Those who claim the Bible has errors do not usually point to variant readings as examples of errors.

            Karleen, P. S. (1987). The handbook to Bible study: with a guide to the Scofield study system (p. 197). New York: Oxford University Press.

          • Sean Armstrong

            You’re reading out of context Robert, try reading the whole chapter, especilly the first few verses as they explain it is the HISTORY of the event that took place!

          • Robert Jory

            I suppose if I read the whole bible through I’ll find the correct context in which killing women and children and their livestock but saving the little virgin girls for my own pleasure is the righteous thing to do, right?

          • Yolandi Strydom

            Oh, no!!! We don’t want to live one second without Him. Once you have experienced His awesome love for you, you will know what we’re talking about!! ;-)

          • Robert Jory

            I don’t need a placebo in order to survive, but thank you for the offer.

          • Dawn Nielson

            I live in freedom, before I surrendered my life to Jesus I was a slave to myself. Since I surrendered my life to Jesus I have never been so happy and living in freedom! The truth sets you free not into slavery, I was a slave to my sins and self before.

          • Robert Jory

            As an atheist I don’t believe in sin. I understand consequences. If I do something nice for someone the consequence is that person is happier and will trust me as being a decent person. If I am mean to someone or hurt them the consequence is that person will want nothing to do with me to prevent future pain, might even retaliate and hurt me back or I could be punished by laws that prevent such actions. Telling children they are born with sin and some imaginary guy died because another imaginary guy ate some fruit and that’s the only way they get some eternal reward after death which has no evidence is child abuse. Freedom is creating your own purpose for your life, be it making art, helping others, having a collection of stamps or whatever. When you do nice things as a Christian you don’t seem genuine in your kindness. It just feels like you’re doing it for your own reward later down the road.

          • Dawn Nielson

            There is consequence for our actions here like you describe, but as a Christian I also believe there are consequences to God for my sin. No one taught me that, I felt that in my heart when I surrendered my life to Him. I knew I was a sinner. I do live in complete freedom I do what is fulfilling to me, God changed my desires from the inside of me that shows on the outside, how I treat others and doing good things. But I do them out of a changed heart and mind I never think I am getting a reward for anything I do things out of a love for Jesus and a desire to please Him. Because He changed me, I volunteer at schools all the time and those kids know I am throwing my stupid decisions out for all to see to help them what other motive could I have who would want to tell everyone the stupid choices you made and the consequences of them. I also teach a adult recovery class, and they also know why I do what I do and tell them the lessons I learned the hard way. Its from a pure desire to do what Jesus has called me and equipped me to to, to use what satan meant for harm and turn it around and use it for good. That is my satisfaction helping people learn to live in the freedom Jesus died to give us. I do not expect any reward, I do it because it is the desire of my heart. And that desire did not come from me it came when I allowed Jesus into my heart and life and He changed me. I was a non believer for the first 30 years of my life. I lived for me and me only. I surrendered 17 yrs. ago and am still as on fire for God as I was then. I know it is real I physically felt something hot flow down my body when I prayed to God, it wasn’t until later when I read in the Bible that I found out what that was anointing oil, and I was instantly changed from that moment on. There are many other times I could tell you that I have physically felt or out loud heard His voice so no I do not have ANY doubt the reality of God. I also know for a fact the reality of evil have felt that and faced it first hand. I know everyone has to have their own experience but without asking God to reveal himself to you personally then how can you know as well. You have nothing to loose by trying it. God loves everyone the same what He has done for me He will do for anyone.

          • Robert Jory

            Everything you said you felt or heard could be explained by a psychologist as a mental disorder. I’m not trying to insult you in anyway. Mental disorders are a real thing and there are treatments for them. People who hear voices or feel a presence that isn’t really there or see things that aren’t real tend to have a chemical imbalance, abnormal brain growth or a combination of the two.

            To claim that what you felt or heard is a real thing but with no way of scientifically testing it shows they aren’t real. If these things were real they would have been tested and proved by a scientist and published for all the world to see.

          • Dawn Nielson

            I did not go to a Doctor to prove anything I have nothing to prove to anyone. I know what happened and I know God is real. You can believe what you want. I am mentally healthy. I am a healthy functioning business owner and single mother and volunteer in community service as well as a College student, if I was crazy wouldn’t someone know? There is nothing left to say to you. I pray that someday you will see the truth.

          • Robert Jory

            I won’t pray for you because whispering things to my hands doesn’t make them happen. But I will hope for a better future for your child. Polls are showing the younger generation is leaving organized religion.I also hope you don’t indoctrinate your child with your superstitions.

          • Dawn Nielson

            I don’t pray into my hands I talk to God like I talk to anyone else. And its not on my knees either its whenever I feel led to no matter what I am doing, I am not practicing a religion it is a relationship. My children have minds of their own and are free to choose whatever they want to. I have teenage and adult children as well, they believe in God and have their own reasons for believing and also don’t have a religion. Jesus is not a religion. I hope if you have children you would give them all options out there as well as telling them about Christianity so they can make up their own minds instead of telling them only about your beliefs that there is no God and we are all a accident and used to be monkeys. Can you answer as to why if we evolved from monkeys why do we still have monkeys now? Wouldn’t we no longer have monkeys if humans evolved from them?

          • Robert Jory

            I agreed with you up until your very ignorant evolution comments. We are not an accident nor did we come from monkeys. I could explain it to you myself but this video will do it faster and easier.

            I do, however, have a hard time believing you taught your children about all the different religions in an unbiased way. If I ever do have children I would teach them about the variety of beliefs and explain that some of those are still believed today. I don’t have to indoctrinate them into not believing religion or supernatural. I just have to teach them to question everything and to find evidence before accepting something as truth.

          • Dawn Nielson

            I was not trying to be insulting, I have not once insulted you in any way and if you took that as a insult I apologize. I asked because I have yet to hear a credible scientific explanation and that did not do that.
            I never forced my children to believe and they went to public school and were taught everything there and has their own choice of what they believe with no pressure for myself. God is not offended for you to question things He welcomes it, and you can find evidence of what the Bible says is the truth if you truly research it, everything they have ever found in Israel proves its the truth. I want my kids to use their brains you never check your brain at the door when believing something if anyone tells you to not use your brain and not to think for yourself and just trust them, then it is a cult. You are on the right track question everything not just Christianity. Then research it. And if you say you have done that then I challenge you to try it again with a open mind asking God if He is real to reveal himself to you.

          • Robert Jory

            Are you a scientist? What would you consider a credible scientific explanation? Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist. You don’t get more focused on the field of evolution than that. If you question the experts who have a consensus on evolution then you must question the validity of every expert from mechanic, doctor, or tax advisers.

            What proof was found in Israel?

            If your god was a visible, corporeal being then I would believe in him. He doesn’t seem to want everyone to believe in him if he’s hiding. Where are all these biblical miracles? He only does them on a bronze age people that would have believed a card trick was witchery. Your Christianity is a cult. Until god is scientifically proved to exist I’ll just assume he’s not real like I do with all the other hundreds of gods that I don’t think are real.

          • Dawn Nielson

            He was only talking about his theory not listing any evidence. http://www.icr.org/article/if-apes-evolved-into-humans-why-do-we-still-have-a/
            I have been to Israel myself and everywhere I went is proof Jesus lived and walked the earth and fulfilled Biblical prophecy every step of the way. Jesus was here walking among us not invisible. A clut is a group that is trying to get someone to stop thinking for themselves and blindly follow a human being. Christianity is not doing that there is archaeology evidence and everyone is welcome to research for themselves no one is telling anyone not to think for themselves.

          • Robert Jory

            The evidence for evolution; fossil records, biogeography, homologous and analogous structures, vestigial structures, embryology, molecular comparison and micro-evolution in action.

            Funny that you ask others for evidence on what you don’t believe or understand but when people ask for evidence of Jesus or god you say they can go research it them selves.

            There is no scientific evidence of Jesus. If there was it wouldn’t be a controversy. There would be scientific journal and magazines showing test results that prove it true. There are none that have stood up to peer review.

            And Christianity is a cult. The leaders of these huge megachurches are being worshiped and given money while people go hungry in the streets. They drive around expensive cars and huge houses. Doesn’t your bible tell you to sell everything you have and give to the needy…Mark 10:21

            Christians don’t even follow their own rules. They pick which passages to follow and which are metaphor or no longer laws. If there was a truly just god and he showed himself before everyone and not just arbitrary feelings in certain people then I would follow him. I’ve not seen any proof of one as of yet.

          • Dawn Nielson

            http://www.icr.org/evidence/

            By my asking you to search for yourself is so that through that you can find it out for yourself and look for anything you are interested in looking into, for yourself through that process, not because of any other reason. It is through that process you will come to believe that is why the suggestion. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

            That is how it happened to Lee Strobel a journalist that set out to disprove Jesus and became a believer. http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=FJ9FMMNU

            There is also one written for A Case for a Creator and a case for Faith.

            The Bible did tell those people in the verse you described he was talking to them in particular not everyone for the rest of time to go do that. I give away more then 10% of my income and have for 17 years, I also help poor children to feed and clothe and school them and I do whatever God leads me to do. I do also have to provide a roof over my kids head, clothes food. But we definitely do not have a big fancy house or fancy cars.

            The church I am affiliated with does not do things like you describe unfortunately in any group of people there are wolves in sheep’s clothing out for money that does not mean they are a Christian and does not mean they will be in Heaven when they die. Matt. 7:22-23 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

            There are many people who call themselves Christian but that does not make them one true Christians do not live the way you described we live simple lives doing our best to love others and live the way Jesus would have us, listening to Him in our daily lives. It actually is upsetting to me that true Christians always get lumped in with these others that claim to be and are not, like people who spew hate at homosexuals I do not agree with that. I would never do that God loves everyone the same and we are all sinners. God is the judge not any of us!

          • Robert Jory

            Your comment truly makes me sad. You seem like a very nice person. It is a shame that you have been convinced of a lie. What’s worse is your children will continue to pass it on to their children.

            If my words bother you I am sorry. It is difficult to tell someone their life is a dedicated to a myth.

            I have searched for god. I’ve read and reread all the parts of the bible that Christians told me to. I looked at each side,one being the bible is real and the other being the bible is false. The bible has only itself, nothing more. On the other side there are just more things showing it’s falsehood. Other religions, laws of physics, evolution, the thousands of other denominations of Christianity alone.

            Every church can’t be right. You only believe yours is right because your parents believed so.

            I don’t say these things to hurt you. As social animals we have evolved to cooperate and look after one another. Biologically our only purpose in life is to procreate. As conscious creatures we are able to make up our own purpose. If your purpose is to live your life as you think Jesus would have, so be it. It’s your life after all. But please don’t try to convince others they must live as you. Otherwise, enjoy your life as you see fit.

            I can be good without god. Can you?

          • streetepistemologist

            Well said

          • Dawn Nielson

            I was not raised Christian I became one at age 30, no one taught me anything about it. So no that’s not how it happened God revealed Himself to me that’s how it happened.
            Nothing you have said to me upsets me at all.
            I also am bothered that you will teach your children your beliefs.
            I don’t think my “church” is the only one right. I think all Bible believing, Christians who have asked Jesus to take their sins upon Him as a sacrifice for their sins then they are a christian, all are on the right track as long as they are not following a human being nor a list of man made rules. There are small differences between denominations that are non essential but as long as they believe Jesus is the sacrifice for their sins and have accepted that then the non essentials do not matter it does’t matter what denomination name is attached to it. I go to a non denominational church.
            I am happy to live as I am and Jesus completely changed my life when I know the answer to oppression how can I keep that a secret? The person has the free will choice to accept or reject I am not forcing anyone I simply tell my story of deliverance.
            http://youtu.be/eRL49YH2O-E

            Here is one of my preaching of my life to adults. I have others on youtube for youth and adults.

          • Robert Jory

            When kids are indoctrinated it’s not their fault for what they believe. They trust their parents and don’t have a choice in the matter. But for you to become a follower as an adult makes me question your sanity.

            You are not looking for the truth. You think you already have it. And to make the statement that nothing will change your mind tells me you’re stubborn in your ways. I put my trust in science which changes as the evidence to what’s true changes. That is the most real answer to any question. A Buddhist once said if science proves something in Buddhism isn’t true then Buddhism will have to change. Christianity is the opposite. If science proves something in the bible isn’t true then they want to change science to fit their book.

            Yes, religion can change lives. Placebos also change lives. That doesn’t make whatever the placebo is pretending to be to become real. The mind thinks it’s real and can cause a real affect. I’m still not convince Jesus was even real, let alone being the son of a god.

          • Dawn Nielson

            It wasn’t until I became a believer at 30 that I actually became sane. As again you attack me, twice on my mental state. I am 47 yrs old I run a daycare for 12 yrs, I teach a adult class for recovery every week, I also go in the schools in the surrounding school districts http://4thesolution.org/ in my area as well as the juvenile detention centers and not once in all these years has anyone questioned my sanity. So logic tells you that isn’t the case. Still waiting for scientific proof God isn’t real there hast been any yet…so I haven’t rejected any proof. therefore you can’t say that I am not and would not seek truth.
            Religion is not what I am talking about I have said that multiple times. It is a relationship with Jesus, a day to day relationship not a religion based on human ideas and rules.
            Religion did nothing for me but make me think God was mad at me. A relationship is what changed my life I real encounter with Jesus!
            Try reading the case for Christ its laid out very well. Have you tried reading it?

          • Robert Jory

            It’s not an attack, it’s an observation that an adult woman believes mythology is real. The delusional usually don’t question other delusional people.

            All the things that happen in the bible go against the laws of the physical world. There is no reason to believe a woman became pregnant without artificial insemination or what’s more likely, she just cheated on her husband. There is no reason to believe a man could heal the sick, walk on water or change water into wine. People that do those things today are called magicians but we all know it’s fake.

            Christianity is a religion. Despite not liking the word that is what your belief is. The definition of religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods. Jesus is your personal god and he has superhuman powers, therefore, Christianity is a religion. I could say I have a relationship with the moon which sadly would make more sense since the moon is real.

            Read what? The bible? I’ve tried to read the whole thing but all the rape and murder and child killing kind of puts me off.

          • Dawn Nielson

            The reason Jesus did miracles you cant explain is because He is God. Miracles still happen today there are lots of non christian doctors that can tell you that.
            There are too many to even try to figure out a number of adult women that believe God is real and Jesus. It is not so out there. In other country’s Christianity is spreading in huge numbers. Do you remember what Pilot said, Jesus name will be forgotten in a week. How do explain it still being with us and the most printed book ever is the Bible if it was all fake Jesus name would have been forgotten in a week. And His followers all but one were killed telling others about Jesus, why would they risk their lives over it if it was a lie?
            What is in the Bible is what we human beings do. And unfortunately we have done those things it is part of History. There is also lots more in there about God’s love for us and Jesus dying for yours and mine sins. Since the Old covenant is no longer then read the New Testament unfortunately people were killed that is human nature those things are part of the history of what happened instead of dwelling on the bad focus on the good the reason Jesus died for us because of His love for us.

          • Robert Jory

            If it was fake it wouldn’t still be around? Look how long slavery lasted. You do know slavery used to be accepted in the US right? Eventually we figured out it wasn’t moral to own another person, ever. The bible doesn’t say anything against owning another person but it does tell you how to treat your slaves.

            How about Islam? It’s an old religion like Christianity. It’s still around so it must be true right? If Islam was fake it wouldn’t still be growing. Or the more logical explanation is parents indoctrinate their children and control areas so that if you don’t believe you are killed, in Islamic countries, or just ostracized and hated in the US for leaving Christianity. Do you think people would give up the people who are supposed to love them no matter what? Sadly some do and their parents end up hating them for not loving their Jesus.

            If the bible was true I would not believe that your god loved anyone other than himself. If you love your children you do not drown them all or give them an ultimatum of love me or burn forever. That is not love. You do not sacrifice one child for the sake of the rest. Parents shouldn’t put the sins of one parent on to the child. God makes man and leaves him in a garden alone and before leaving says by the way don’t touch that. Guess what, the kid is going to touch that. If the child does do something wrong you forgive them, no ritual or condition. You just say I forgive you. No blood sacrifice required.

            If your god was real he would be an abusive, negligent, psychotic parent. How can you believe following him is moral?

          • Dawn Nielson

            Actually Islam has not been around near as long as Christianity, its 1,400 yrs old. And like all religions that came after Jesus they got their start from the Bible.
            God cannot be near sin, and since by our choice sin entered the world at the time of Noah the only people on earth that were righteous was Noah and his family. It was those peoples choice to be wicked. Like its everyone’s choice to accept of reject the free gift Jesus died to give us.
            Again you are quoting the Old covenant read NT its all about Gods love for us!
            I know following Him is moral I was not moral before 30 and God changed my heart and I do not desire to do those immoral things if it was just me I would still be living that immoral life. He leads me to morality. So His nature is moral and good, otherwise I would not have been led and changed to be those things.

          • Robert Jory

            What about all the prophets for other religions that came before Jesus? Christianity just copied them.
            Horus: 5000 years ago
            Mithra: 3200 years ago
            Krishna: 2900 years ago
            Dionysus: 2500 years ago
            Then comes Jesus only 2000 years ago.
            Each with nearly identical stories and miracles and birth.

            If you were immoral without Jesus then you were just a shitty person. You shouldn’t need some book to tell you not to do bad stuff. If you can’t figure that out on your own then you really do need some help.

            The NT is no better, maybe even worse, than the OT. At least in the old testament you would only get raped and murdered. When Jesus comes into your book then that’s when hell shows up and suddenly everyone not saved gets to burn forever. Hell Jesus even curses a fig tree for not providing him with figs when it was out of season. Not to mention he lies to all his followers telling them he’ll be back in their lifetimes. 2000 years later and he’s still not back. I call bullshit.

          • Dawn Nielson

            God is creator of everything from the beginning of course He would have Biblical prophecy all along, and Jesus fulfilled it!!
            Unfortunately in the history of humanity there have always been people who choose to do horrible things to others, their choice. That is part of history.

            All I can say is I was lost but now I am found, I live a happy free life, and I know I am loved by God.

            JESUS CURSES THE FIG TREE

            On his way into Jerusalem the following day, Jesus looks for fruit on a fig tree (21:18–22). Finding none, he curses it and it withers. A tree which is all leaves and no fruit is a picture of futility—like Israel without faith and the temple without prayer. A terrible judgment is about to fall.
            The disciples are amazed that the tree withers so quickly. Jesus assures them that the same power is available to them, through prayer and faith.
            Knowles, A. (2001). The Bible guide (1st Augsburg books ed., p. 430). Minneapolis, MN: Augsburg.

            HELL. ‘Hell’ in the NT renders the Gk. word transliterated as ‘Gehenna’ (Mt. 5:22, 29–30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mk. 9:43, 45, 47; Lk. 12:5; Jas. 3:6). The name is derived from the Heb. gê(ben) (benê) hinnōm, the Valley of (the son[s] of Hinnom, a valley near Jerusalem (Jos. 15:8; 18:16), where children were sacrificed by fire in connection with pagan rites (2 Ki. 23:10; 2 Ch. 28:3; 33:6; Je. 7:31; 32:35). Its original derivation is obscure, but Hinnom is almost certainly the name of a person. In later Jewish writings Gehenna came to mean the place of punishment for sinners (Assumption of Moses 10:10; 2 Esdras 7:36). It was depicted as a place of unquenchable fire—the general idea of fire to express the divine judgment is found in the OT (Dt. 32:22; Dn. 7:10). The rabbinic literature contains various opinions as to who would suffer eternal punishment. The ideas were widespread that the sufferings of some would be terminated by annihilation, or that the fires of Gehenna were in some cases purgatorial (Rosh Hashanah 16b–17a; Baba Mezi’a 58b; Mishnah Eduyoth 2. 10). But those who held these doctrines also taught the reality of eternal punishment for certain classes of sinners. Both this literature and the Apocryphal books affirm belief in an eternal retribution (cf. Judith 16:17; Psalms of Solomon 3:13).
            The teaching of the NT endorses this past belief. The fire of hell is unquenchable (Mk. 9:43), eternal (Mt. 18:8), its punishment is the converse of eternal life (Mt. 25:46). There is no suggestion that those who enter hell ever emerge from it. However, the NT leaves the door open for the belief that while hell as a manifestation of God’s implacable wrath against sin is unending, the existence of those who suffer in it may not be. It is difficult to reconcile the ultimate fulfilment of the whole universe in Christ (Eph. 1:10; Col. 1:20) with the continued existence of those who reject him. Some scholars have contended that an eternal punishment is one which is eternal in its effects; in any case eternal does not necessarily mean never-ending, but implies ‘long duration extending to the writer’s mental horizon’ (J. A. Beet). On the other hand Rev. 20:10 does indicate conscious, never-ending torment for the devil and his agents, albeit in a highly symbolic passage, and some would affirm that a similar end awaits human beings who ultimately refuse to repent. In any case, nothing should be allowed to detract from the seriousness of our Lord’s warnings about the terrible reality of God’s judgment in the world to come.
            In Jas. 3:6 Gehenna, like the bottomless pit in Rev. 9:1ff.; 11:7, appears to be the source of evil on the earth.
            NT imagery concerning eternal punishment is not uniform. As well as fire it is described as darkness (Mt. 25:30; 2 Pet. 2:17), death (Rev. 2:11), destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord (2 Thes. 1:9; Mt. 7:21–23), and a debt to pay (Mt. 5:25–26).
            In 2 Pet. 2:4 only, we find the Verb tartaroō, translated in RSV ‘cast into hell’, and rendered by the Pesh. ‘cast down to the lower regions’. Tartaros is the classical word for the place of eternal punishment but is here applied to the intermediate sphere of punishment for fallen angels.

            BIBLIOGRAPHY. J. A. Beet, The Last Things, 1905; S. D. F. Salmond, The Christian Doctrine of Immortality, 1907; J. W. Wenham, The Goodness of God, 1974; H. Bietenhard, NIDNTT 2, pp. 205–210; J. Jeremias, TDNT 1, pp. 9f., 146–149, 657f.
            D.K.I.
            Innes, D. K. (1996). Hell. In (D. R. W. Wood, I. H. Marshall, A. R. Millard, J. I. Packer, & D. J. Wiseman, Eds.)New Bible dictionary. Leicester, England; Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

            Matthew 24:32-34

            32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

            He is clearing speaking about the signs of his return the generation (our generation) are the ones that will not pass away without His return because the prophecy’s are now finally fulfilled.

            I hope you will seek the eternal truth and keep seeking until you find it. Obviously we will never agree. We are not getting anywhere here.

    • meagan

      God of the Old Testament is a vindictive, wrathful God. He killed everyone except one family. The movie was very accurate in that regard.

      • Yolandi Strydom

        You are obviously not talking about the loving God of the Bible who loves you so very much and made a way for you to live eternally in heaven with Him…

        • Robert Jory

          The same god that kills millions of children every day before they reach the age of five because it’s all part of his divine plan? Not only that he loves you so much he created a place of eternal pain to put you if you don’t worship him.

          • Yolandi Strydom

            I get that you direct all your anger towards Him… As we all do. But if you study and know the Bible you will find that the devil is the God of this world, and hates us as we are created in God’s image. He hates God! Hell was created for Him. God sent Jesus to save us! But you have already made your mind up….

          • Robert Jory

            I’m no more angry at your god than I am at the boogeyman. My anger is at the superstitious cult followers of major religions that cause a lot of unnecessary pain in the world, usually to children. Watch these and tell me religion is a force for good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqso3Luv7zs&list=PL9zmXhEAnxT9hXW_2NJ7ZvdbiMuwSN5Ll

          • Yolandi Strydom

            I understand about religion. And I too have been hurt and hate it just as much as you!!! Humans err! It’s a reality. I personally have a very real relationship with God the Father, who has been my only strength and hope in life. I love Him with all my heart! That’s all I can say. He is real! And that is where I am coming from. I do not wish to argue about doctrine. As you know yourself, that could carry on for years. I respect your opinion!! Thank you.

          • Sean Armstrong

            This is a very biased video towards religious groups, as I say ALL religious groups, not just Christians!
            One could very easily produce the same video aiming at atheists and the likes.

            Yes God created man in his image, but he never programmed them to do the things that they chose to do. God gave man the ability to make his own choices in life, he did not make us like robots, programmed to do what HE wants us to do. He gave us the freedom to make our own choices.
            Man chose to sin against God, therefore the consequences of sin are what the world is experiencing today. You cannot blame religious groups or anyone connected to any religious groups alone, for practising this sort of evil. The world today is experiencing the same sort of evil in the time of Noah, hence the reason God took drastic actions as he did back then. We are only seeing children suffer like this video portrays due to man’s own choice, not Gods!

          • Robert Jory

            How can you say this is man’s choice when your bible commands murder. “Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.”(Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

            But it doesn’t say to only kill those that will not convert. If anyone harms your people you must kill all of their people and livestock.

            “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” (I Samuel 15:2-3)

            Moses even tells his people to kill all the adults but keep the little virgin girls for yourselves.

            “Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:16-18)

            If the bible is god’s word then you must follow it right? These people are just doing what their told. What free will is there if he commands murder but punishes you for murder or disobedience? Damn if you do and damned if you don’t.

          • Sean Armstrong

            Robert, the devil has been playing this same game your playing now long before you were born; twisting the Holly Bibles truth by taking it out if context!

            For example, try reading the whole chapter of Deuteronomy 13. If you only use part if the chapter, as you are doing by only using verses 8-9 to back your cause, then it’s easy to twist Gods Holly Word, just as you’re doing.
            For example; if you quote part of a statment I wrote like; “I beat my wife”, but fail to tell others the full statement is, “I beat my wife all the time whilst playing tennis!”. You can see how easy it is to twist Gods Holly Word.

            I urge you to read the whole chapter, or at least the verses before & after the verses you are using out of context, unless it is your very intensions to twist Gods Holly Word. You did say; “atheists know the Bible more than the Christians know their own bible”, or something along those lines.
            Like I said, the devil uses the same tactics! This is why God says test ALL what is told to you, just as it explains in the first few verses of Deuteronomy 13.

            Stop twisting Gods Holly Word, you’re kidding only yourself by trying to out wit God!

          • Robert Jory

            Out of context?

          • Sean Armstrong

            Yes Robert! You are taking the scriptures out of context to try disprove God!

          • Robert Jory

            In what context is slavery moral? In what context is killing children moral? In what context killing homosexuals moral?

          • Dawn Nielson

            We all have free will. The reason God told people to do certain things had to do with the time they were living in, the culture and everything that was going on right then. He told them to do that specific thing right then. He is not commanding us to do that. He commanded them to do that and if they followed His command then there would be no punishment. God thinks of our eternity we think about the here and now.

          • Robert Jory

            What did the culture have to do with anything? If it was god’s command to murder then they had to do it. And yet we all know murder is bad. Your god commanded evil.

            Tell me this. Do you believe god is omniscient? That means does god know everything.
            If he does then he already knows what will happen and no one has any free will because something has already determined the action and god knows what the result will be.

            If god doesn’t know everything then why is he worthy of our worship? Just because he made us? Your parents made you. Does that mean if you don’t worship them they can douse you in gasoline and burn you? That’s what your god wants to do, except for eternity.

          • Dawn Nielson

            Because when reading the Bible in order to understand what it is saying you must always read the entire thought and consider the culture of the day their customs who the author was talking to, and why they were saying that. Then you can understand what was meant.

            For them in that situation that is what God commanded them to do for the good of them in that particular situation. That doesn’t mean we are to do it now.

            Of course God is Omnipresent, that does not change the free will of mankind, because God knows what happens in the end does not change that each person has the free will to chose and chose for themselves, He didn’t force their choice. He could have forced us to worship Him but He wants us to choose to love and serve Him.

            God not only made us He made the earth and everything in it. If you look at the beauty of the world for instance in the mountains or beaches and palm trees you can see the natural beauty of it. Flowers you name it beauty in the world is from God even the rocks cry out for the day the earth will be redeemed, the earth is under a curse because of mankind’s choices. There is death sorrow and pain because of the sin brought in the earth. Heaven will not have those things.

            You are saposto respect your parents but not worship them.

            Hell was not made for us that is not what it is for, it was made for satan and his fallen angels for punishment. God does not want anyone to go there, if we choose to go there by not accepting God’s free gift of redemption we choose to go there yourself. The greatest commandment is to love one another and love your neighbor as yourself. That is what I focus on doing. Not dissecting everything in history and why it had to happen. Jesus left us saying that. Not telling us to hate and argue with each other. Jesus said; By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:35 Have I not shown you love?

          • Robert Jory

            I do not see god in nature. The mountains and the palm trees, flowers and animals can be explained by science. Do you see beauty in the parasites infesting baby animals and children? Do you see beauty in predators ripping the throats of their prey?

            What I see is the natural world. Parts of it are breathtakingly beautiful. All of it is amazing and interesting. But in nature individuals do not matter. Nature cares not about a single living thing. Animals survive by evolving so that their offspring will survive to have offspring of their own.

            Humans can’t handle being insignificant. They need to feel important. At first religion was used to explain in their minds what they could not figure out. It was the precursor of science. Once the idea of the supernatural came about they could come up with other ideas such as everything was made for us.

            If find the idea that everything is made for us a bit too arrogant. The universe does not revolve around us. We are but a speck in a vast universe and are likely not alone. But science shows us we are made from the atoms that burst from dying stars. Ever person is a small part of a larger part of the universe. To me that is truly beautiful. Knowing that stars had to die billions of light years away and spread those pieces across the cosmos to coalesce into Earth where the truly magnificent happened. The tiny atoms some how became life. And through millions upon millions of years it evolved until I was born.

            I have only this life. Nothing before and nothing after.I will live my life for my own purpose and when I die my atoms will be returned to nature to once again become new life.

            If you want to believe your myth that’s your choice. I won’t try to help you anymore.

          • Dawn Nielson

            I don’t think everything was made for us, it was made for God. And once again you are blaming God for what satan does.
            I know I am insignificant in the sence that the world does not revolve around me. I show love and caring to whomever comes into my path. God loves me and everyone individually.
            Tell me what do you think I am loosing out on by believing in God? Your comment you wont try to help me anymore.
            Makes me wonder that. There is no possible way anyone could ever change my mind about believing in God I KNOW He is real no doubt. And I have dedicated the last 17 years of my life to Him and it has been the happiest I have ever ever been. And freeing,. loved for the first time in my life. That is real.
            If there is a God what do you have to loose in believing in Him if He is real you have everything to loose by rejecting him.

          • Robert Jory

            First off, Pascal’s Wager isn’t a good argument.

            Do you believe in Islam? Do you follow the teachings of the Koran?

            No? But what if it’s right? You have everything to gain and nothing to lose by following it, right?

            The main religions hurt people every day. Some, like Jainism and Buddhism, are peaceful and don’t try to take over the world like Christianity and Islam. If you want to see the harm religion does just watch this playlist.

            Your church may not do these things, or maybe they do. You can not know what each individual at your church does behind closed doors. Just being religious shows others that if you believe it maybe they should too. But they won’t interpret the bible the same way as you and may use it to hurt people.

            In the history of the US, every time people were being refused their human rights it was being defended by the bible. When black people were slaves churches used the bible to defend slavery. The bible tells you who to take as slaves and how to treat your slaves, even tells slaves to obey their master whether they are nice or not. When women had no rights it was defended by the bible. Women should have no voice or authority according to the bible. And now homosexuals are having their human rights refused because of believers in the bible. There is no other reason to not let two men or two women marry other than the bible telling them they’re an abomination.

            What are you missing out on by believing in god? How about reality.

            And don’t tell me those who use the bible for bad are not true christians. Look up logical fallacies. You’ve used a few in our conversations. This one happens to be No True Scottsman fallacy.

  • Yolandi

    You, my dear, can definitely not distinguish between black and white. God’s word is God’s word. You can stand for Hollywood. I will take a stand for God. I am not protecting myself. I honor God and His word. This distorts every single part of the wonderful story of Noah. It takes AWAY all glory from God. The writer should have given Noah some other name, because this is not the Noah I know. He honored God, and his own family. He never killed his family…. I could go on and on and on…. Hope you awaken from your dream world soon!!!!

    • Micah Fourie

      Great response Yolandi!

    • meagan

      it just a movie and God does not need protecting from the likes of you. Get over yourself!

      • Yolandi Strydom

        Dear Meagan. I have been over myself in this messed up world for the last 16 years!!! God does not need protecting from me or anyone…. His love has changed my life, and for that I am eternally grateful. I am sorry that the world has portrayed God in that manner to you, and hope that one day You too will experience His awesome love for you Meagan… Xx

  • http://politivajustice.com/ Politiva_com

    “1. I’ve been on the set.” That has to be the worst most self important reason to see a movie ever written by a critic.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Good thing I’m not a critic. But being “on the set” means I’ve actually met the writer, director, star, and Chairman of the studio. Interviewed them extensively, which is probably better a bit better than people who haven’t, and don’t know anything about the film….

      • http://politivajustice.com/ Politiva_com

        Self importance… take two.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Good point. Much better to criticize out of ignorance.

          • http://politivajustice.com/ Politiva_com

            Much better to assess a movie with initial ignorance rather than to start with a self important psychological and emotional attachment to the project.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Well, if expressing your opinion out of ignorance works for you then good luck with that. For me, I’d rather research it, interview the filmmakers, talk to the studio, be on the set if possible, and see the finished film before I decide to like it or hate it.

          • http://politivajustice.com/ Politiva_com

            Its called not having pre-conceived notions, it works well. Especially in film reviews.

  • bryhudso

    This is one of the interesting “aftershocks” of the Noah film. Folks are just throwing their minds open to entertain any and all types of thoughts and concepts, just like their new spiritual leader, film director, Mr Aronofski.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Not exactly according to these numbers:
      http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

      • bryhudso

        Thanks for the post. I’m thinking about what I’m reading on forums and hearing first hand. We all know God can bring beauty from ashes. Here’s my review and commentary. (Feel free to delete if you want. This is YOUR blog!) http://www.bryanhudson.com/2014/04/the-noah-we-dont-know-bible-teachers.html

        • walkercreative

          Perfectly articulated. Thank you for saving me so many characters of type. Anyone reading this thread should read this.

          • bryhudso

            Thank you! And I thank Phil for allowing me to post.

  • Spuds MacKenzie

    What about Jewish people, who created the story? Should they go see it? Actually, the Jews did not create it either, it’s a hacked version from the Epic of Gilgamesh which is about 1600 years older. Either way, it’s a story about the biggest mass murder (genocide) in the history of the world. What’s so good about the story?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Actually Spuds, you have your sources wrong. Try the book of Enoch, and the Midrash, (and others).

      • Spuds MacKenzie

        If Enoch is the great-grandfather of Noah how could he write about the flood? And the Midrash didn’t mention the flood. Either way, not a one is even remotely close to the age of the PROVEN age of the Epic of Gilgamesh. And there are multiple older stories of a flood. Heck, almost every society around the world has their myth. Even the Native Americans. Keep hangin’ on to your copied religion. Almost every story in the Bible, incuding Jesus, was copied from other religions. Look of Krishna, Attis, et al. Especially the Egyption Horus who was born of a virgin, cruscified and descended into hell and resurrected after 3 days.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

    • Shawn

      Hi Spuds: I love the Jewish people because as a part of God’s first and chosen family, they are the roots of my faith! And, you’re right, the modern world needs to understand the role of Jews in the JudeoChristian “story.” As you may know, God chose godly Jewish men and women inspired by His Spirit to speak throughout the bible. Noah’s story illustrates God’s plan for a second chance of redemption for all of us, after the fall of Adam, including His compassionate offer of lovingkindness and forgiveness made possible through the life and death of Jesus. The film fails to communicate this powerful message. (For the original documents, may I refer you to Josh McDowell’s excellent but brief book, which includes scholarly references of the over 400 original manuscripts from which the Bible was written: “Evidence That Demands A Verdict.”) Shalom to you and may you continue asking questions and seek to know more of God with all your heart. He will not disappoint you, Spuds.

  • walkercreative

    Ok, Phil, I had read your reviews and a few others, and, as a media professional and creative artist, went into the film determined to have an open mind. From some of the comments, I definately expected some creative license, what I wasn’t expecting, was a complete overhaul of the story and the overused trope of zealous Christ followers with no empathy. After spending more than fifty dollars for the whole family to attend (in fact, our whole church attended) I feel woefully gypped and dumbfounded. Though I generally don’t believe it,Noah was an unfortunate vindication of the notion that Christians should not support secular (even atheist) filmmakers. I now have to spend my time defending such ridiculousness to other Christians who are already skeptical of media. This film was not even suitable as a water-cooler discussion piece with non Christians – the inaccuracies were so profound, it would be easier to just have a bible class. I have a high tolerance for Christian creative media, but this film is where we must part ways. Really disappointed!

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Thought you might be interested in this:
      http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

    • bryhudso

      That was my experience as well. Passion of the Christ raised our expectations for Hollywood using creative license well to produce a Bible-based film. Unfortunately, many people are feeling betrayed when they actually see the Noah film. We never expect movies to portray the Bible fully, but nothing prepared me for what Aronofsky did to the biblical story of Noah.

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        “Betrayed?” Help me understand that response. Paramount didn’t market this as a Bible movie. On my blog I said it doesn’t line up with the Biblical account at all. We knew the director wasn’t a Christian. Why would you feel “betrayed?”

        • bryhudso

          Honestly Phil, is just a way that some of us feel. And it is just a feeling,not a real crisis. A friend of mine walked out on the film…. That’s how he felt about the quality of the film. The gentleman said he spent over $50 and took people to the film . You probably saw it for free. And you had the opportunity to become acclimated to the script as well as become acquainted with the principal actir. Your comfort level is very high
          Yes, you warned us that the film had some on biblical parts to it. But NOTHING could prepare some of us (others are unfazed) for how devastatingly unbiblical it actually is.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            I saw the pre-screening for free, but took my family to the local theater this weekend. You may be right about my comfort level, but I have to admit being surprised at the reaction. I keep thinking, “It’s only a movie.” :-)

          • bryhudso

            Yes, it is “just a movie.” But it is not “just the Bible.” What people do with the Word of God is very important to some of us. Not even filmmakers get a pass on misrepresenting the word of God. Again, it is something that some of us are concerned about, i’m not trying to change you or anybody else, just expressing a point of view.

          • bryhudso

            A “lite” definition of betray: “A violation of confidence”

          • walkercreative

            I am curious about your take on Pussy Riot’s performance of a protest in a religious space. .Any thoughts? To me the reaction to Noah strikes me as similar.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Two different situations. Theirs was a protest, and oddly enough, it was against the government, not the church. They just found the most provocative place to do it.
            Nothing like a serious effort that wasn’t a protest, as in this case.

          • dazpacket

            Phil, you can say it’s ‘only a movie’ if it was Scary Movie 6 we were discussing, or the straight-to-DVD sequel of Aladdin, but this movie isnt one of those types of movies. If Darren Aronofsky had made Harry Potter, and deviated from the plot of the books, you would get an awful lot of enraged Potter fans up in arms over it. Christians are in the same category here as devoted Harry Potter fans, except here this film director has disappointed the fans of a beloved christian story. What Aronofsky should have done was just not call the film Noah or include an ark, then there would have been no comparisson with the Bible story to get hyped over. Good luck trying to make a Harry Potter titled movie and then seriously deviate from the books and then to tell them ‘its only a movie’ and not to take it too seriously. It just wouldnt work.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            I wouldn’t disagree. I made pretty much the same point at the end of this Los Angeles Times article about the movie:
            http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79893816/

        • Shawn

          Umm…Phil. The title is “NOAH” is it not? Even a child would expect it to be a biblical story. The betrayal starts there, and goes much farther with their “creative license.” They craftily marketed that title to attract the hefty percentage of Americans who believe God’s Word. The fact that the director is not Christian is beside the point. A good director respects the original author’s intent when basing a film on a book, which this director chose not do. The majority of Christians, unfortunately, do not do their homework–A true follower of Christ would be a fool to not look carefully into a Hollywood film. I have always been open-minded to creative ways to share our faith. But, the body of Christ is telling Hollywood we “approve” of their handling of this story when we buy a ticket. Sadly, we risk losing our saltiness as Christians if we support this film. Worse, God loses in an “epic” way to help nonbelievers understand that the story of Noah illustrates His plan of a second chance of redemption for them, and of his compassionate offer of lovingkindness and forgiveness through Christ. The film fails to communicate this powerful message.

          • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

            Fair enough, but I think we lose our “saltiness” when we stand on the sidelines, rather than engage. Paul could have ignored the philosophers on Mars Hill because they weren’t accurate, but he rather studied their gods, and by engaging them was able to point them to the real God who they hadn’t named.
            The film does fail to do a lot of things, but I still think we can use it to share the real story of Noah with the culture.
            Thanks for your comment!

  • Riley Anderson

    Noah is not based on the Bible, so Biblical criticism is pointless. If you’re curious as to why this movie isn’t accurate to Biblical texts, you should read this article about which text this movie is ACTUALLY based on.

    http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2014/3/31/sympathy-for-the-devil

  • Ellie

    Your article was an interesting read, but I’m going to pass on spending $$ to see this movie…especially after reading this: http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2014/3/31/sympathy-for-the-devil

  • Kim

    Simply, this film is not Biblical nor extra-Bibilical. More accurately, it is Anti-Biblical or whatever term is the opposite of Biblical. Having the correct/exact measurement of the Ark does not make it Biblical. The story of Noah (not this film) is not just about a man building an Ark. “Evan Almighty” may be argued to be closer to the Biblical story of Noah.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Which is why I said in the post: “So the filmmakers added to the story. And honestly, there are “extra-Biblical” elements in the film. These are things that don’t line up with the Biblical account at all. If I had directed the film, I wouldn’t have added them, but this isn’t my film.”

  • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

    Here’s a great update on Noah:
    http://philcooke.com/noah-driving-people-to-bible/

  • Christy

    Sorry, I have to disagree with you- not because it’s not a Biblical film. I went knowing that. It’s just SUCH A BAD movie! It’s not epic. the story line is lacking and Noah becomes a wack job who wants to blot out and kill babies which he thinks is ok even though no animal should be harmed.. UHHHHH. And the rock monsters, ok sure, but they were just so bad. It was just an all around stupid film in my opinion.

  • Judy Jetson

    I’m a Christian who doesn’t like to automatically follow what others tell me to believe. I like to decide things for myself. I went to see NOAH in IMAX because: I was curious how the movie would be made; I appreciate Sir Anthony Hopkins as an actor; I’ve enjoyed watching Emma Watson grow up in the Harry Potter movies and was glad to see her have an opportunity to work in an “epic” movie; and I was curious to see the special effects. I was disappointed.

    If– instead of claiming ties to the Biblical story and characters– they had advertised the movie as as a scy-fi, futuristic movie set in the year 6025, at a time when civilization has overpopulated the earth, Industrialization has used up its resources, when human conscious and love has been lost to basic survival, and when all religion has ceased to to exist except for one man’s faith in a Creator……. I might have bought into the landscape, the violence, the environmental message, Noah’s failure to understand the Creator’s intentions, the “evil” stowaway and accompanying violence, and the wardrobe reminiscent of something Luke Skywalker would be wearing if he’d had only one outfit his whole teenage-thru-adult-thru-death life.

    And I think Christians, as a whole, would have embraced a movie advertised as such…… even if the powers-that-be had gone so far to have asked the question, “What would happen if there were ANOTHER Noah?”

    As it is… the movie is an epic failure and an insult to the original story and characters.

    • walkercreative

      Agreed. I made this exact same point in another thread here.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      I think your point is valid Judy. What I’m baffled about in many of these responses is the “insult” and “outrage” people feel from the movie. The studio didn’t market it as a Bible movie – even to the point of the “inspired by” disclaimer. In this post, I said “it doesn’t line up with the Biblical account at all.” It’s one thing to not like the film. I have no problem with that at all. However, I’m surprised at the outrage. I worry how thin-skinned we are, and how that bodes for cultural engagement in the future. If a movie outrages us, what happens when real persecution starts?
      Thanks for posting. It’s good food for thought!

      • Judy Jetson

        Phil, I don’t know what was shown on television or in movie theaters in the days prior to the opening of NOAH. I, personally, became aware of the movie thru the– literally– handful of trailers that were available on YouTube a few days before the movie debut. Of those trailers, only one had the disclaimer. The trailers were all CAREFULLY edited to give viewers the impression that the movie was about the story of Noah– down to the title (no rock creatures in sight!). The disclaimer didn’t come out and say, “This is not the story of Noah”. Nor did it say “If you want to know the story of Noah, go read the Bible”. Rather, it used the phrase, “while artistic license has been taken, we believe that this film is true to the essence, values, and integrity….”

        That’s legalese for “let’s cover our backsides by announcing some artistic license has been used and at the same time protect our investment by suckering the people into believing their beloved story will be told”.

        And that, I think, is the problem. Many people felt “suckered”. It has nothing to do with opportunities for discourse or having an influence in Hollywood. Not everything is a “cause”.

        I understand that it takes some effort to draw a few minutes of reading into a two-hour movie. It would have been a very interesting and moving movie experience if they had told the story with emphasis on the emotions and angst that must have been felt as the family prepared for, experienced, and came through the event. The Bible gives enough fodder for thought there.

        I remember when The Passion of the Christ came out. Do you know what touched me most about the movie? The fact that someone had (FINALLY!) spent a little time thinking about what Jesus’ mother must have gone through. It didn’t take away from the message; if anything, it added to it.

        To give credit where credit is due, I think the actors did well with what they were given in Noah. However, I think the writers and director could have delivered their “message” in a better format (something other than a story from the Bible); I think Paramount knew they had a problem and came as close to false advertising as they could legally go; and I don’t think we need to make excuses for them just to keep discourse going.

      • Babyblu85

        Speaking as someone who’s had an issue with most “bible” movies, since they usually have no real factual tie to the actual stories in the Bible, I thought I might try to answer your question about why it is so upsetting, especially about something that’s being marketed to those that are spiritual. The issue, for me at least, is this: When I look into the Bible, and see its truths, I find myself encouraged, and I find my faith in God solidified. What we see in the Bible, is that there is a father of the lie, Satan, and there’s passages talking about how he’s blinding the minds of unbelievers, and seeking to hide the truth from those searching. Movies like this make God seem confusing and cold, which is a lie. If you READ the bible, and study it, you would see that he’s a loving God and he wants people to draw close to him. When lies are spread about him, even with disclaimers claiming only inspiration, many people will look to it as possible truth, and believe the bigger lie that God is not that great. It’s not something that would take me away from God, because I see the lie, but it’s still sad when lies are spread about him. It would be the same if you had a father and people continually told false stories about him depicting him as a cruel and callous person. He may be an AMAZING person in reality, but because of all the slander, no one would care, no one wants to know who he is. I’m not saying this movie by itself has all that power, but it’s one piece of a bigger issue. It seems to me, if they want to make movies based on the bible, then go for it. They tend to have a lot of intrigue and drama just on their own merit. If not, then just don’t do it. Just say no. There’s no need.

  • Beatrice

    Is the director not meant to be an atheist? Not sure how true this information is….if its true, do I expect him to portray the bible the way I understand the bible to be….. Fallen angels, witchcraft etc. Mr Cooke, you said you met the director, Russell Crowe and a few others…were you working alongside them as a consultant and if that is the case….would you not say your views will be biased?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      Nope. Not working with them. Not been paid for writing this. Just met them.

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  • Dan

    If you want to make a Biblical stand point of why This film called noah isn’t so bad, then why not take a look at exactly what the Bible says? Did not Solomon, in all his wisdom, abide to the gods of his wives, which led him to his own distruction? The Apostal Paul, whom you speak of, said he is afraid for us. He is afraid for us because our simplicity In God would be our downfall if we believed what every false teaching told us (2nd Corinthians, Chapter 11). Why would someone watch a film that does not replicate The Word Of God in the first place then? Why waste time on something not true (Ephesains 4:16-17)?

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      That would be a good point, except that the studio didn’t market Noah as a Bible movie – even to the point of the “inspired by” disclaimer. In this post, I said “it doesn’t line up with the Biblical account at all.” It’s one thing to not like the film. I have no problem with that at all. But to blast it for not being a Bible film, when that wasn’t the intention of the filmmakers is rather odd.

      • Paul

        You’re contradicting yourself Mr. Cooke. One of your own listed reasons to see the film,”4. For at least a decade, we’ve been asking Hollywood to produce movies based on the Bible.” If this isn’t meant to be a Bible film, then you shouldn’t use such a significant story from the Bible as your film plot. I myself never condoned Hollywood profiting for my God so skipping this movie is very easy. I’m not going to protect others from seeing because it’s not my place. I pray this is the first and last movie made that’s built upon stories of the Bible only twisted by a professed atheist. God help us all!

      • Joseph

        Then what is odd is why some one like you is recommending Christians see it. What’s the point?

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Perhaps you should read my post Joseph…

        • Charlyn Buchanan

          If you’re not a Christian, then why not see it just for the entertainment. After all, Russell Crowe is a good actor!!!!!

      • dazpacket

        Hi Phil. I have to disagree. I was at Hillsong Conference last year, where an executive from Paramount was given time on stage to promote this movie and show a trailer to a captive audience of literally thousands of Christians. It would be fair to say that the majority of people there would assume that what he was promoting a biblical movie – why else would he have said that it was important for Christians to get behind it? Paramount may have changed their stance since then, but in my mind the damage was already done.

  • Lilly

    Isn’t that rasist

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  • http://aspeakinghuman.wordpress.com/ Allen Bagby

    The film is an ode to Gnosticism. It’s as plain as the nose of your face if you recognize the symbolism. Goggle/read Dr. Brian Mattson’s article on the movie. Darren Aronofsky is laughing at Christian’s who like and/or recommend this movie.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke
      • tad

        That was a good (long!) read, Phil. Thanks. I had read Mattson’s article earlier and was impressed by it, but it is always good to hear even more about issues like this. We never seem to be able to know the WHOLE story about almost anything, eh? Most of our opinions (maybe even beliefs) are based in what we’ve known, experienced, and even in our likes and preferences. I love it when my boundaries of faith and knowledge are stretched. Somehow, my God gets bigger with each stretch…and that seems to be a very good thing.

        Thanks again.

    • Phil_GA

      Please do share how the movie in any way is gnostic, considering that one of the main pillars of gnosticism is the concept of secret knowledge as well as (I believe) the concept that material is bad and only the spirit is good.

      The film shows nothing in any way being secretive about what’s going on. In fact, it’s quite the opposite — the Creator is going to flood the earth.

      Because, if anything, this movie goes almost overboard with the concepts of sin being evil and having produced destructive results to man, the planet, and other beings.

      BTW, by “other beings,” I am speaking of the Watchers, which are part of the book of Enoch, a deuterocanonical book from the Apocrypha, I believe.

      So, do tell what’s so gnostic about this movie; I’d be really interested in knowing, especially since I will be buying this movie when it comes out after having seen it once.

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  • http://mybrainblinks.com Matt Lewis

    I was encouraged by you, Phil, to see the movie and to write about it. I blogged about it too. Can I share the link with you here?

  • Kathie Wheeler

    I just recently saw the movie. Noah was depicted as a very determine man to follow Gods request. In two short pages in the bible I never gave it much thought that Noah must have been very determined to follow out Gods plan. The movie was very respectful to a servant of God. Yes it could not possibly be 100 percent biblical when one only has two pages to work with. It’s one man’s interpretation of what Noah was facing, and knowing people were going to die, God ridding the world of sin and wickedness. I also came away thinking that Noah was without sin himself and must of had great faith in The Lord knowing he was just a servant following Gods plan. I would have wished the little we do know of his three sons would have been closer to the bible but even with them being younger than I interpret the bible he kept them respectful also.

  • tad

    i took the fam to see it last Saturday night, partly due to Phil’s article above. here’s what i posted on Facebook on Palm Sunday:

    We
    saw the vegan environmentalist, “Noah” last night, and we all liked it
    very much. It strays a little from what is written in the TORAH (duh),
    but it is more biblical than the “Left Behind” series. (oops, that might
    cause a stir for some). Sure, it’s filled with white folks who speak
    the King’s Englische (which i’ve heard no one complain about yet), but
    it was very powerful on many levels, and makes
    you think outside the box. Great handling of many aspects of the Noah
    story, and the human condition in general. It is a story of faith, hope,
    love, humility, and obedience. Noah is shown to be a man of great
    faith, though flawed. He is often confused and misdirects himself at
    times, but corrected by his elder and the women-folk in his life. Kinda
    like real life. Hopkins plays an interesting Yoda, er, i mean,
    “Methuselah.” Especially for Jews and Christians, I recommend it be seen
    while still on the big screen, though i’m guessing people of no faith
    or other faiths will get something out of it as well.

    All in
    all, it was a better film and more thought-provoking than i had
    expected. . . a similar feeling i had after watching, “The Last
    Temptation of Christ” amidst all the protests. I won’t argue with those
    who will not see it due to their own convictions, but i was glad i did.

  • Sean Armstrong

    A message by Joseph Prince regarding the ‘TRUTH’ behind Noah & the ‘TRUE’ events as the Bible explains it, not as this movie portrays!
    “Hear the HOLY WORD-not Hollywood-story of Noah and live with a true sense of security and hope in the end times”!
    http://t.co/Lj4pCH8LGg

  • ShockedNAwed

    I take a half empty bottle of fresh spring water from you and I go away and come back with a full bottle of water with a bit of discoloration. I say to you that half is fresh spring water which you gave me. Would you drink from it? Would you give it to your family to drink? It is disturbing that “Christians” would vehemently promote a film filled with new age/gnostic/spaghetti monster influences. And yes, I have not seen it but will wait till it comes on DVD (don’t want to tithe too much to the church of Hollywood)

  • Susan

    I’m really amazed at how hostile people are in this thread against’s Phil’s ideas. I have a Ph.D. in Theology so I’m no novice, and I can tell you that doctrine is a powerful guide to discipleship and living the Christian life. It’s not a weapon that we use to attack other believers.
    What Phil’s suggesting here isn’t doctrinal error – it’s very wise insight on how to engage today’s culture with the gospel.

    • pask

      +1

  • ShockedNAwed

    Hello Susan, I don’t usually reply unless directly addressed but I find what you have said interesting as an observer of human behaviour. Deconstructing your comment, I summarize in point form as
    1) you are amazed by the “hostile” dialogue against Mr. Cooke’s ideas
    2) You are a highly educated person
    2a) people should listen to you on the topic of doctrine vs-a-vis Christian life
    3) Questioning the doctrines of Mr. Cooke is wrong.
    4) Mr. Cooke is wise by using this movie as an opportunity to engage greater society.
    What stands out to me is statement #2. Statement #2 seems to be axiomatic (as I can not ask “why” you are a PH.D in Theology, though I can ask “why” to the other 4 statements). From that, I could infer that your defense of Mr. Cooke’s ideas are based on intellectualism (or credentialism) not on Christian ideals. If the opinions are based solely on your intellect, then your opinions are as pertinent as the opinion of an atheist/new age/ … “intellectual”.
    If statement 2 and 2a are meant to stand alone, then your observation is incorrect. I cannot speak for the other “hostiles” but I am not questioning the doctrine of Mr. Cooke. I am questioning the doctrine of the movie Noah and the inappropriate etiquette of Mr. Cooke as a Christian leader. Consider the following – if I were to walk in the seedier side of town and I was offerred drugs and sex by a scantily outfitted lady on the street, I would not be shocked. I would realize that I was on the wrong side of the town and behaviour like this is probable as all folks need to survive to his/her principles. But, if I were in a more pristine social setting with a pastor and he should say to his congregation “Do you want to get naked and snort some coke?”, I think I would pop a vessel from the shock. Please note that I am not, in any way, implying Mr. Cooke has such worldly propensities, but his carrying water for “Noah the Movie” stakeholders is inappropriate for a Christian leader when the movie contains very unbiblical nuances. Is he a Christian representative in Hollywood or a Hollywood representative in Christianity? “Do not sell your inheritance for a bowl of soup”. Please note, I have nothing against soup, I think most soups are quite delicious. But maximim 20 dollars for a bowl please.

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      You may be over-thinking this a bit… :-)
      It’s not a Biblical movie. The “inspired by” disclaimer on the advertising said that. In the post above I said it doesn’t line up with the Biblical account.
      But what do we do with that? Stand on the sidelines and criticize? Or share the real story with the hundreds of thousands who are watching?
      I’m simply recommending that – like Paul at Mars Hill – we see the movie (just as Paul studied the false Gods of Athens), so we can intelligently engage with the surrounding culture as he did.
      That’s it. Pretty simple really.

      • ShockedNAwed

        Hello Phil. What you say sounds reasonable from the perspective of the individual trying to engage greater society. But, consider Paul Verhoeven’s “Jesus of Nazareth” was proposed to be filmed. Would a disclaimer be a good justification for a Christian to observe a “secular” interpretation of historical Jesus, specifically his virgin birth? Are there specific guidelines to distinguish something that is blasphemous from a subject worthy of discussion with the heathen world? Is it like pornography and erotica? One will know it when one sees it.
        I agree that motion picture companies are psychopathic corporations seeking profit and has no commitment to promote Christian values. However, I contend that by contributing to their box office profits, one feeds the beast and contributes to its appetite to mix the perverse and the sacred. Mixing the perverse and the sacred gives one only perversion.

        • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

          Good question, and my response would be that you can’t make a blanket policy concerning every movie. In this case, I believe the value of using it far outweighs the worry of supporting something you don’t agree with. PLUS – you’ll probably be interested to know that because of the success of Noah, Paramount has decided to produce a remake of “Ben Hur” and it will be produced by Mark Burnett, who did “The Bible” series on TV. So it looks like something else very good may come out of this.

  • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

    Interesting quote from Kutter Callaway, professor at Fuller Seminary:
    “It almost goes without saying, but it is simply no longer acceptable for Christians to praise or condemn a movie that they have never seen. It might seem unthinkable in a world driven by social media, but there is nothing wrong with having no opinion to share. As Proverbs 18:2 reminds us, ”A fool finds no pleasure in understanding, but delights in airing his own opinions.” May we never again forgo genuine understanding for the sake of simply voicing our opinion.”

    • ShockedNAwed

      Hello Phil, it is interesting to note that Kutter Callaway and reviewers in your featurette John Snowden , Gabe Lyons, Guy Noland and Geoffrey Morin all have ties to ecumenism. I think the difference in our sensibilities are more than skin deep and the concert of your similar opinions are attributable to your philosophies. I am an exclusivist. One and only way is Christ. In closing consider Albert Mohler’s “Drowning in Distortion — Darren Aronofsky’s “Noah””. I think he expresses the nuance of our disconcert quite nicely. By the way A. Mohler was the PhD supervisor of Greg Thornbury, a reviewer in your featurette.

      • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

        I can assure you that the guys in the video are quite orthodox in their theology. After all, we all agreed that “Noah” was outside the Biblical account. The question at hand wasn’t about theology – it was about evangelism. OK – so we know it’s outside the Biblical story (as I said in this blog), but what do we do with that? Hundreds of thousands saw the movie from around the world. Do we sit on the sidelines and criticize it, or do we use the opportunity to engage the film (particularly with non-believing friends) and then share the real story of Noah?
        The purpose of this post (and my others) is simply to encourage Christians to no shy away from this opportunity to share Jesus with our culture.

  • http://codybateman.org/ ★ William Cody Bateman ★

    The teaching of Proverbs 18:2 is about “fools” – the very ones God describes as being “devoid of understanding and lacking wisdom (Godly wisdom).” Your attempt at applying this verse to Christian detractors of this godless film – and painting them as “fool finding no pleasure in understanding, but delights in airing his own opinions” is a subtle twisting of the scripture’s intent and focus – much like the movie “Noah’ does. If you’re going to quote scripture for validation – do so knowing you coming under a stricter judgment as a teacher of His Word. I teach scripture out of great fear of the One in Whom all will one day give an accounting too. Just saying…

    • http://philcooke.com Phil Cooke

      The perfect response from someone with an opinion, but who hasn’t actually seen the movie… :-)
      Thanks William!

      • http://codybateman.org/ ★ William Cody Bateman ★

        I’ve read the story and I know the Author who knows me on a first-name basis Phil. And, because the Author Himself has given His church, men who are full of Godly wisdom and power by His Spirit – I can rely on their evaluation of this movie offering. Neither Adam or Eve needed to “taste and see” the forbidden fruit to KNOW it would lead to death. They simply had to listen and obey the same Author I know personally – and trust His Word as being the final Word. Just saying…

    • guest…Dennis

      We live in an imperfect world. Even Hebrew writings were lost and refound and revitalized by scolars and scribes into their current understanding of culture and language to be handed down to Jesus’ time. He held some up in the temple and called it scripture. Let’s not even delve into the New Testament…or should we call it by it’s real name…the New Covenant which was to be written on hearts, not paper. Thank God, He can get his message through in spite of those who wish to tell Him how to achieve this. And thanks to Him also for New Covenant Grace Mercy and Freedom to live in that freedom in faith and trust in God’s ability to acheive His purposes.

      • http://codybateman.org/ ★ William Cody Bateman ★

        Your wrong because God has already declared that all scriptures were authored by the Holy Spirit and that the men of old “wrote those things they knew nothing of.” As far as what is actually “written on the hearts of every man is THE LAWS of God. These very laws condemn the man who thinks he can come to God by any other way but through God the Christ Jesus.

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  • pask

    Very good article! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
    I wouldn’t have been bothered if inspiration would also have been drawn from the Book of Enoch and the Book Of The Giants, by the way.

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  • Ronnie

    As a believer in Christ and a admirer of true stories this film truly disappointed me.
    Not only is it as inaccurate as a fiction tale could ever be but stories depicted as true by nature should indeed be accurate!
    If anyone should be held accountable for its accuracy it is indeed Paramount! They have not only the money but the resources to make sure it stays true!
    When you depict a story of the bible on screen for the whole world to see you need stay with facts!
    The reason for this is everything else added or man envisioned is DOUBT! And it is simply the devils work. Because that is what the devil is and does.

    • TV

      I agree with you !!!

  • Tanya Riches

    I loved this film. But I think perhaps I’m more openminded on art than many Christians. Thanks for this recommendation, I agree with your perspective. Regardless of what we think, let’s support this type of work!!!

  • TC

    I’m a Christian and I watched the movie. I don’t agree with your views on the movie ! I don’t feel that message needed to be added .To keep our interest. The thought that Noah lost his regard for the life of his own grandchild to show his loyalty and love for God . That’s not in the bible . Nor is it necessary to keep us watching the biblical story of Noah’s Ark. They could of focused on other issues like the animals or more on the waiting for land .Not made up some sad story of Noah saying God wants him to kill his grandchild. Our God is a loving God .The focus of the rainbow and the sign that he will not ever flood the world again and the portance of the animals more would of been a much better movie . Not some made up Friday the 13th plot. But we all have our own likes and opinions . Your free to choose yours .

  • midlandman

    Interesting comments. Hard to believe Christians are so hard headed about bible accuracy, a film about Noah and the flood would be utterly boring if the prescription was to follow the Bible story. No-one in their right mind would spend so much money to make such a movie. Movie making is a “for profit venture.”
    I would encourage those Christians who have little good to say about any movie production concerning the Bible to gather your financial resources (we know you have bags of money in the Evangelical trade) and make your own movies following Bible stories to the letter, then see how many people, Christians or otherwise, would actually pay to see it. That would be the true test of the worth of Biblical stories translated directly from Biblical text into a movie script.
    Why wouldn’t it work? That is simple, the Bible is NOT a movie script. The Bible is purported to be a history of the Jewish people alone. Very few non-Jews play significant roles unless they are in conflict with Jews. Therefore a story turned into a motion picture is almost impossible to do unless the Jewish Oral tradition would be taken into account.
    However, Christians do not use the Oral tradition, Christians do not use the Talmud. Christians do not study Jewish Myth or Jewish History from a Jewish perspective. It is clear from this that Christians understand very little about the Old Testament per se. Get realistic, it is a movie, it is not about Christians which means it is not about you! I didn’t see any post from Hebrew persons complaining about the lack of Biblical accuracy. Gee! I wonder why?