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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chris, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not that you need my accolades on this, but all that you&#039;ve said there rings very true with me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In terms of the layers of an organization, culture is really closer to the core than outward vision.  Vision steers the ship but without the boards fit together right and sealed against the water, the rudder can be in great working order, but the ship isn&#039;t going to go very far.  Vision moves us forward toward who we want to be and the impact we want to have, but culture defines who we are now and how we&#039;re going to get there in large part.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;These are abstract and nebulous concepts.  There isn&#039;t necessarily a direct corellation between a particular style of leadership and success in all instances.  I think what makes a difference to my observation is that a successful leader is honest enough to evaluate themselves and staff to their weakness.  If you have a strong visionary, conceptual, type A leader, in a successful organization, you can look around and you&#039;ll find someone either formally or informally who is either feeding that leader with the information and insight they need to address what they aren&#039;t sensitive to, or you have an organizational structure that places someone with the trust and authority of the leader who handles things on their behalf and that leader isn&#039;t threatened by the other&#039;s expertise or driven by the need to be to top dog in every category of leadership and operations.  Just like you said, self-confidence and humility are what greases the skids.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s an art more than a science although science in this area is shedding light on what is happening and how.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Very good insight, sir.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, </p>
<p>Not that you need my accolades on this, but all that you&#39;ve said there rings very true with me.</p>
<p>In terms of the layers of an organization, culture is really closer to the core than outward vision.  Vision steers the ship but without the boards fit together right and sealed against the water, the rudder can be in great working order, but the ship isn&#39;t going to go very far.  Vision moves us forward toward who we want to be and the impact we want to have, but culture defines who we are now and how we&#39;re going to get there in large part.</p>
<p>These are abstract and nebulous concepts.  There isn&#39;t necessarily a direct corellation between a particular style of leadership and success in all instances.  I think what makes a difference to my observation is that a successful leader is honest enough to evaluate themselves and staff to their weakness.  If you have a strong visionary, conceptual, type A leader, in a successful organization, you can look around and you&#39;ll find someone either formally or informally who is either feeding that leader with the information and insight they need to address what they aren&#39;t sensitive to, or you have an organizational structure that places someone with the trust and authority of the leader who handles things on their behalf and that leader isn&#39;t threatened by the other&#39;s expertise or driven by the need to be to top dog in every category of leadership and operations.  Just like you said, self-confidence and humility are what greases the skids.</p>
<p>It&#39;s an art more than a science although science in this area is shedding light on what is happening and how.</p>
<p>Very good insight, sir.</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Boone</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good summary of the biggest problem that any ministry (or organization, for that matter) faces. I think we all realize the importance of vision, but what good is a vision if you&#039;ve no one left to help you carry it out? Or share it with? Perhaps what we can successfully glean from these discussions is that at the very least, Culture and Vision are on the same level. One without the other is like a shoe without a sock: possible, yes, but not entirely comfortable in all situations...although it seemed to work for Sonny Crockett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good summary of the biggest problem that any ministry (or organization, for that matter) faces. I think we all realize the importance of vision, but what good is a vision if you&#39;ve no one left to help you carry it out? Or share it with? Perhaps what we can successfully glean from these discussions is that at the very least, Culture and Vision are on the same level. One without the other is like a shoe without a sock: possible, yes, but not entirely comfortable in all situations&#8230;although it seemed to work for Sonny Crockett.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Peterson</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3917</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. Theres no easier way to stiffle innovation than a toxic culture where &quot;the leader is always right&quot;, blind obedience is rewarded over plain common sense etc etc. Clever and creative people simply shut down and switch off when its simply too risky (and personally expensive) to try something new, even when all measurable evidence suggests that existing methods are not working. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Major corporations are re-discovering the power of small teams, because the answer to most problems are almost self evident for those who are closest to the problem and feel its immediate pain.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;CULTURE and HABITS define our future, more so than VISION. To use an historical analogy; Captain James Cook had VISION to explore the great southern ocean (as did many other men), but this could not be achieved without a CULTURE of innovation to solve the two problems: navigation and scurvy. Good HABITS make us use what we know on a daily basis - because unless we apply knowledge it is useless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. Theres no easier way to stiffle innovation than a toxic culture where &quot;the leader is always right&quot;, blind obedience is rewarded over plain common sense etc etc. Clever and creative people simply shut down and switch off when its simply too risky (and personally expensive) to try something new, even when all measurable evidence suggests that existing methods are not working. </p>
<p>Major corporations are re-discovering the power of small teams, because the answer to most problems are almost self evident for those who are closest to the problem and feel its immediate pain.</p>
<p>CULTURE and HABITS define our future, more so than VISION. To use an historical analogy; Captain James Cook had VISION to explore the great southern ocean (as did many other men), but this could not be achieved without a CULTURE of innovation to solve the two problems: navigation and scurvy. Good HABITS make us use what we know on a daily basis &#8211; because unless we apply knowledge it is useless.</p>
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		<title>By: AmeriKan, aka Phil</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3918</link>
		<dc:creator>AmeriKan, aka Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kenneth Hagin said, &quot;If you&#039;ll make souls (people) your central and #1 focus in anything (your calling/ministry) and everything you do...you will never go off or fall into a ditch.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;People are what make things tick in anything.  If they are not your #1 priority, forget all your lofty visions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Chris,this blog is so good, I think I will be emailing it to a few people.  It is sad when leaders wake up one day and the music isn&#039;t playing anymore because there is no one to play it.  They tried all their gimmicks, how too&#039;s, lists of and forgot that it is the people that God gave them in the first place that would bring it (the vision) to pass...love for people was the missing ingredient.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth Hagin said, &quot;If you&#39;ll make souls (people) your central and #1 focus in anything (your calling/ministry) and everything you do&#8230;you will never go off or fall into a ditch.&quot;</p>
<p>People are what make things tick in anything.  If they are not your #1 priority, forget all your lofty visions.</p>
<p>Chris,this blog is so good, I think I will be emailing it to a few people.  It is sad when leaders wake up one day and the music isn&#39;t playing anymore because there is no one to play it.  They tried all their gimmicks, how too&#39;s, lists of and forgot that it is the people that God gave them in the first place that would bring it (the vision) to pass&#8230;love for people was the missing ingredient.</p>
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		<title>By: freethinker</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3919</link>
		<dc:creator>freethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, ORU, under the leadership of the Roberts, had a strong culture or fear.  We hope that goes away soon, under new leadership.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, ORU, under the leadership of the Roberts, had a strong culture or fear.  We hope that goes away soon, under new leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Busch</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3920</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Busch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good points.  Here&#039;s something else to consider in the relationship between Culture and Vision. Leadership will often determine if Vision drives Culture, or if Culture drives Vision.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In a more autocratic style of leadership, it&#039;s been my observation that Vision is paramount and that Vision dictates what the Culture of the organization will become because all organizational elements must serve the Vision.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In a more team-based organization, Vision will often flow out of the Culture.  Things such as purpose, mission, and goals are created and adopted as the consensus of a group rather than as the inspiration of an individual.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This of course is an oversimplification, but this is a blog and not a textbook. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points.  Here&#39;s something else to consider in the relationship between Culture and Vision. Leadership will often determine if Vision drives Culture, or if Culture drives Vision.  </p>
<p>In a more autocratic style of leadership, it&#39;s been my observation that Vision is paramount and that Vision dictates what the Culture of the organization will become because all organizational elements must serve the Vision.  </p>
<p>In a more team-based organization, Vision will often flow out of the Culture.  Things such as purpose, mission, and goals are created and adopted as the consensus of a group rather than as the inspiration of an individual.  </p>
<p>This of course is an oversimplification, but this is a blog and not a textbook. </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Busch</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3921</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Busch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bart,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is definitely a right-brained art to leadership and organizational dynamics.  But this whole area of corporate culture is attracting a lot of attention in management science circles too.  Trained consultants can conduct a survey of an organization now and measure about twenty cultural elements including ethics, values, teamwork, communication, etc. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve often seen a disconnect between the leadership&#039;s perception of the organizational culture and the perceptions you get when you talk to rank and file.  Sometimes these surveys can help to &quot;educate&quot; upper management.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your comment. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart,</p>
<p>There is definitely a right-brained art to leadership and organizational dynamics.  But this whole area of corporate culture is attracting a lot of attention in management science circles too.  Trained consultants can conduct a survey of an organization now and measure about twenty cultural elements including ethics, values, teamwork, communication, etc. </p>
<p>I&#39;ve often seen a disconnect between the leadership&#39;s perception of the organizational culture and the perceptions you get when you talk to rank and file.  Sometimes these surveys can help to &quot;educate&quot; upper management.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. </p>
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		<title>By: breaklight</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3922</link>
		<dc:creator>breaklight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it is even an issue of culture versus vision. The two are synonymous and highly interlinked/intertwined to function and work well. That is like saying love between a man and a woman without marriage is great. You need love for a marriage to work and you need marriage to express love in its best capacity for the highest and healthiest place to do it. Marriage in and of itself does not produce love until the people are willing to humble and respect one another daily and grow their love (something that should be practiced before getting married)- and that takes a lot of work. It is when a person idolises the vision more than peeple who will help that vision come to pass then there is a problem. As you have rightly indicated it all boils down to whether the leader has come to a place of being secure with themselves and how others view them. It depends on what they have built their value system on. Even leaders who are vision driven shows that they are because they are seeking self worth from that vision as a means to show their worth and value. That will still breed a culture but an adverse one - a toxic one but it is still a culture. Hitler is an example. At the end of the day every vision is centered on people and where there are people there will be a culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it is even an issue of culture versus vision. The two are synonymous and highly interlinked/intertwined to function and work well. That is like saying love between a man and a woman without marriage is great. You need love for a marriage to work and you need marriage to express love in its best capacity for the highest and healthiest place to do it. Marriage in and of itself does not produce love until the people are willing to humble and respect one another daily and grow their love (something that should be practiced before getting married)- and that takes a lot of work. It is when a person idolises the vision more than peeple who will help that vision come to pass then there is a problem. As you have rightly indicated it all boils down to whether the leader has come to a place of being secure with themselves and how others view them. It depends on what they have built their value system on. Even leaders who are vision driven shows that they are because they are seeking self worth from that vision as a means to show their worth and value. That will still breed a culture but an adverse one &#8211; a toxic one but it is still a culture. Hitler is an example. At the end of the day every vision is centered on people and where there are people there will be a culture.</p>
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		<title>By: breaklight</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/chris_busch/#comment-3923</link>
		<dc:creator>breaklight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Culture makes/or breaks the realisation of a vision. But without a vision a culture may not exist for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Culture makes/or breaks the realisation of a vision. But without a vision a culture may not exist for long.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chris,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the response.  I&#039;m familiar with many of the studies and advances in this area of Organization Leadership and I realize a great deal of it is being brought into the realm of science with correlative studies which measure and tie many factors together.  It&#039;s an exciting field and one which holds great promise and is already delivering a lot of help in many situations, which judging from your blog and credentials, you likely know better than me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve done some master&#039;s work in the field and have been exposed to some of this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My impression while looking at it though, is that it is at best a soft science and it&#039;s not always a given that initial studies in this area are not fraught with confounding elements and that at times the scientific approach assumes a one-to-one relationship with elements that in the end proves to be too simplistic a view and valuable only relative to the individual environment where the study is done or perhaps to an industry.  Many times, what you&#039;ve talked about in terms of culture, encompasses unique elements of environment which when not present in other settings, shows the original study to have failed to account for some of these background elements that the original study assumes by default as constant.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s not unusual in an emerging realm of study and much of what these elements are, amount to studies more in the realm of individual psychology meeting at a nexus point with organizational dynamics and group psychology.  As the field emerges, I think there is a great deal that will come of it for secular and non-profit religious groups.  I also think a great deal of the wisdom scripture affirms in this realm will continue to be affirmed as well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m glad there are folks like you engaged on the front lines and including the christian community.  Far too often we are stragglers in this field and I think our mission and calling should place us as leaders.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bart&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.  I&#39;m familiar with many of the studies and advances in this area of Organization Leadership and I realize a great deal of it is being brought into the realm of science with correlative studies which measure and tie many factors together.  It&#39;s an exciting field and one which holds great promise and is already delivering a lot of help in many situations, which judging from your blog and credentials, you likely know better than me.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve done some master&#39;s work in the field and have been exposed to some of this.</p>
<p>My impression while looking at it though, is that it is at best a soft science and it&#39;s not always a given that initial studies in this area are not fraught with confounding elements and that at times the scientific approach assumes a one-to-one relationship with elements that in the end proves to be too simplistic a view and valuable only relative to the individual environment where the study is done or perhaps to an industry.  Many times, what you&#39;ve talked about in terms of culture, encompasses unique elements of environment which when not present in other settings, shows the original study to have failed to account for some of these background elements that the original study assumes by default as constant.</p>
<p>That&#39;s not unusual in an emerging realm of study and much of what these elements are, amount to studies more in the realm of individual psychology meeting at a nexus point with organizational dynamics and group psychology.  As the field emerges, I think there is a great deal that will come of it for secular and non-profit religious groups.  I also think a great deal of the wisdom scripture affirms in this realm will continue to be affirmed as well.</p>
<p>I&#39;m glad there are folks like you engaged on the front lines and including the christian community.  Far too often we are stragglers in this field and I think our mission and calling should place us as leaders.</p>
<p>Bart</p>
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