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	<title>Comments on: From a Building Perspective, Empty Car Dealerships Might Benefit Local Churches</title>
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		<title>By: Jim C</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-10458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course when we get the Government involved, and force businesses to close because of their political donations or the Governments idea of who should be open and who shold not...we are making these decisions in a biased political way. Taking away the rights of these families who have built their family businesses for years and years. Then we also get into the legal end of undermining contract law which is unconstitutional. Property rights issues crop up and we began to butcher the Constitution.  Jim C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course when we get the Government involved, and force businesses to close because of their political donations or the Governments idea of who should be open and who shold not&#8230;we are making these decisions in a biased political way. Taking away the rights of these families who have built their family businesses for years and years. Then we also get into the legal end of undermining contract law which is unconstitutional. Property rights issues crop up and we began to butcher the Constitution.  Jim C</p>
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		<title>By: Camron Ware</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7769</link>
		<dc:creator>Camron Ware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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I remember hearing how many Chrysler dealerships are closing here in the DFW area and was shocked.
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I think it&#039;s a great idea; I&#039;ve been around a few churches that have moved into a facility like a dealership and you&#039;re spot on with all the pros.
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I remember hearing how many Chrysler dealerships are closing here in the DFW area and was shocked.
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I think it&#8217;s a great idea; I&#8217;ve been around a few churches that have moved into a facility like a dealership and you&#8217;re spot on with all the pros.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Perry</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7770</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Don’t know that it will help the misconception of preacher’s sometimes being seen as used car salesmen but there are some synergistic opportunities that could make it attractive. For example we could now legitimately advertise ‘trade in your old life for a new one’ etc etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I also think draining the used baptism water into the bad fluid storage could turn that pro into a con  : )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;</description>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Don’t know that it will help the misconception of preacher’s sometimes being seen as used car salesmen but there are some synergistic opportunities that could make it attractive. For example we could now legitimately advertise ‘trade in your old life for a new one’ etc etc.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also think draining the used baptism water into the bad fluid storage could turn that pro into a con  : )</p>
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		<title>By: Steve B</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7771</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points. But for those who follow Workplace Ministry, less businesses means less profit, which can result in less financial support for the local church. You can add that to your &quot;negatives&quot; list. The &quot;pro&quot; being they should now be a lot cheaper to rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points. But for those who follow Workplace Ministry, less businesses means less profit, which can result in less financial support for the local church. You can add that to your &quot;negatives&quot; list. The &quot;pro&quot; being they should now be a lot cheaper to rent.</p>
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		<title>By: cynthia</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7772</link>
		<dc:creator>cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
This is a great example of connecting the dots.  Near my own home, there are empty dealerships lining the streets.  Here&#039;s what I love about the idea....
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I&#039;ve always thought it was brilliant to use movie theatres for church. Beautiful buildings, great theatre seating, excellent sound / light space, airconditioning, heating, etc.  Very comfortable and often non-threatening to a guest.  In fact, I converted to Christianity in a Calvary Chapel located in a movie theatre in San Diego.
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But of course, that&#039;s also the downside, isn&#039;t it?  It only reregisters some of the things we are re-evaluating about church these days.  Too comfortable, set up for lecture style meetings rather than interaction, unavailable for inviting the community in to provide resources for them, etc.
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So, here&#039;s what I like even better about your idea.  Somehow, car dealerships (either by where there located, how they&#039;re built, or something I can&#039;t identify?) don&#039;t have that &quot;here, settle in and get comfortable and prepare to &quot;watch&quot; church&quot; stigma.
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Somehow, car dealerships, for whatever reason, seem far better at removing the &quot;luxury&quot; of church attendance and getting down to some of the other business the Church could be accomplishing.......  
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Another brilliant example that springs to mind would be Matthew Barnett&#039;s Dream Center - feeding &amp; housing &amp; training 1000&#039;s weekly BECAUSE IT WAS A HOSPITAL so it&#039;s basically set up to do that. 
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I want Mel McGowan (VisioneeringStudios.com) to come weigh in!
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This is a great example of connecting the dots.  Near my own home, there are empty dealerships lining the streets.  Here&#8217;s what I love about the idea&#8230;.
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I&#8217;ve always thought it was brilliant to use movie theatres for church. Beautiful buildings, great theatre seating, excellent sound / light space, airconditioning, heating, etc.  Very comfortable and often non-threatening to a guest.  In fact, I converted to Christianity in a Calvary Chapel located in a movie theatre in San Diego.
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But of course, that&#8217;s also the downside, isn&#8217;t it?  It only reregisters some of the things we are re-evaluating about church these days.  Too comfortable, set up for lecture style meetings rather than interaction, unavailable for inviting the community in to provide resources for them, etc.
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So, here&#8217;s what I like even better about your idea.  Somehow, car dealerships (either by where there located, how they&#8217;re built, or something I can&#8217;t identify?) don&#8217;t have that &quot;here, settle in and get comfortable and prepare to &quot;watch&quot; church&quot; stigma.
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Somehow, car dealerships, for whatever reason, seem far better at removing the &quot;luxury&quot; of church attendance and getting down to some of the other business the Church could be accomplishing&#8230;&#8230;.  
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Another brilliant example that springs to mind would be Matthew Barnett&#8217;s Dream Center &#8211; feeding &amp; housing &amp; training 1000&#8242;s weekly BECAUSE IT WAS A HOSPITAL so it&#8217;s basically set up to do that. 
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I want Mel McGowan (VisioneeringStudios.com) to come weigh in!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Darnell</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7773</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Darnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;The
church I currently attend in Dallas holds their contemporary service in an old
car dealership across the street from the main church building. Originally they
used the space for Sunday school classes and smaller events like an annual art
show but decided to start a contemporary service and figured it would be the best
place to hold it. So far, it hasn&#039;t been the most ideal situation.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;While
the space is nice and open (minus a few support columns), the entire area is
covered with tile, which creates an audio nightmare. There are also a lot of
windows that have to be covered up in order to make the space warmer. There are
other little problems too that you&#039;ll have to deal with so be ready to spend
some money and do some work to make the space more conducive to the church environment.&lt;/span&gt;
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A lot of it comes down to the individual dealerships cause they&#039;re all different. 
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;I
did have another idea of another building option. What about old Circuit City
buildings? They seem to usually be made of two parts: the showroom and the
warehouse. The showroom could be used for a welcome center and children’s
ministry while the warehouse, typically taller and larger, could house the main
worship service. These buildings, which are vastly available, could be great
alternatives to small church plants looking for a permanent location. Just a
thought.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana&quot;&gt;Let&#039;s
just be careful we don&#039;t turn in to used car salesmen when it comes to the
Gospel. &lt;/span&gt;
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">The<br />
church I currently attend in Dallas holds their contemporary service in an old<br />
car dealership across the street from the main church building. Originally they<br />
used the space for Sunday school classes and smaller events like an annual art<br />
show but decided to start a contemporary service and figured it would be the best<br />
place to hold it. So far, it hasn&#8217;t been the most ideal situation.</span>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">While<br />
the space is nice and open (minus a few support columns), the entire area is<br />
covered with tile, which creates an audio nightmare. There are also a lot of<br />
windows that have to be covered up in order to make the space warmer. There are<br />
other little problems too that you&#8217;ll have to deal with so be ready to spend<br />
some money and do some work to make the space more conducive to the church environment.</span>
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A lot of it comes down to the individual dealerships cause they&#8217;re all different. 
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">I<br />
did have another idea of another building option. What about old Circuit City<br />
buildings? They seem to usually be made of two parts: the showroom and the<br />
warehouse. The showroom could be used for a welcome center and children’s<br />
ministry while the warehouse, typically taller and larger, could house the main<br />
worship service. These buildings, which are vastly available, could be great<br />
alternatives to small church plants looking for a permanent location. Just a<br />
thought.</span>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana">Let&#8217;s<br />
just be careful we don&#8217;t turn in to used car salesmen when it comes to the<br />
Gospel. </span>
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		<title>By: Allen Hendrix</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7774</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen Hendrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d go beyond car dealerships.  There are hundreds of Circuit City locations that are currently available for lease.  As well as K-Mart stores that sit empty.  Landlords are eager to fill those spots in thier shopping centers which something... anything.  The car dealerships are good solution, but I&#039;m afraid the cost of an overhual to make them &quot;projection and sound ready&quot; would be costly.  The retail big box spots might be more easliy configured for a church format.  In our city we have a stand alone Circuit City location that has a great location, plenty of square footage, extra parking, loading docks, restrooms, etc. It&#039;s been sitting emtpy for 3 years. The price keeps coming down. The lease cost now it sits at about $15K a month. To build a buliding like it would cost you upwards of $10M in our part of the county. That puts your monthly bill right around $55K a month.  The deal can&#039;t be beat. Churches with growth issues should be taking a hard look at outbound venues like car dealership and big box stores for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d go beyond car dealerships.  There are hundreds of Circuit City locations that are currently available for lease.  As well as K-Mart stores that sit empty.  Landlords are eager to fill those spots in thier shopping centers which something&#8230; anything.  The car dealerships are good solution, but I&#8217;m afraid the cost of an overhual to make them &quot;projection and sound ready&quot; would be costly.  The retail big box spots might be more easliy configured for a church format.  In our city we have a stand alone Circuit City location that has a great location, plenty of square footage, extra parking, loading docks, restrooms, etc. It&#8217;s been sitting emtpy for 3 years. The price keeps coming down. The lease cost now it sits at about $15K a month. To build a buliding like it would cost you upwards of $10M in our part of the county. That puts your monthly bill right around $55K a month.  The deal can&#8217;t be beat. Churches with growth issues should be taking a hard look at outbound venues like car dealership and big box stores for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Roberts</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7775</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a Korean congregation in Granada Hills, CA, Church Everyday (http://www.churcheveryday.org/), that purchased a Curcuit City, adjacent billards hall and an El Torito a few years ago. I&#039;m not sure how they have utilized their space. Is anyone familiar with the congregation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a Korean congregation in Granada Hills, CA, Church Everyday (<a href="http://www.churcheveryday.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.churcheveryday.org/</a>), that purchased a Curcuit City, adjacent billards hall and an El Torito a few years ago. I&#8217;m not sure how they have utilized their space. Is anyone familiar with the congregation?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re actually considering a car dealership for our 3rd campus. This particular one is great because there is very little entry cost (to lease) and we can be up and running in no time. As the site grows, the building will grow with us. We&#039;ll start out by using the showroom as the sanctuary, then when we&#039;re ready we&#039;ll grow into the service bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re actually considering a car dealership for our 3rd campus. This particular one is great because there is very little entry cost (to lease) and we can be up and running in no time. As the site grows, the building will grow with us. We&#8217;ll start out by using the showroom as the sanctuary, then when we&#8217;re ready we&#8217;ll grow into the service bay.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/car_dealerships/#comment-7777</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re actually considering a car dealership for our 3rd campus. This particular one is great because there is very little entry cost (to lease) and we can be up and running in no time. As the site grows, the building will grow with us. We&#039;ll start out by using the showroom as the sanctuary, then when we&#039;re ready we&#039;ll grow into the service bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re actually considering a car dealership for our 3rd campus. This particular one is great because there is very little entry cost (to lease) and we can be up and running in no time. As the site grows, the building will grow with us. We&#8217;ll start out by using the showroom as the sanctuary, then when we&#8217;re ready we&#8217;ll grow into the service bay.</p>
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