Comments on: What If U2 Had Been Born in Orange County? http://philcooke.com/U2/ Change Revolution Wed, 16 May 2012 19:42:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Robert Winkler Burke http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8627 Robert Winkler Burke Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8627 <p>Phil,</p><p>Good point.  If U2 had grown up in Orange County, it might have discovered many casual churches in Orange County worship a strange-fire god of weakness.</p><p>And to satisfy this god of weakiness, U2would have to have had a wispy voice, singing songs of escapist doctrines, and most importantly -- kowtow to wispy-willed non-denominational pastor types who want to broadcast their worship of escapology and weakness to the world... without any divisive opposition, lest souls be ruffled or be taught hard truths.</p><p>God bless the fighting Irish, and the powerful music of U2.</p><p>And God help Orange County, where the weakness taught have no tolerance for the non-wispy of voice... or non-wispy of mind... or non-wispy of consitution... or people indwelt, in fact, by a rather strong God, the God of all creation, that same God who refuses to be cast as weak.</p> Phil,

Good point.  If U2 had grown up in Orange County, it might have discovered many casual churches in Orange County worship a strange-fire god of weakness.

And to satisfy this god of weakiness, U2would have to have had a wispy voice, singing songs of escapist doctrines, and most importantly — kowtow to wispy-willed non-denominational pastor types who want to broadcast their worship of escapology and weakness to the world… without any divisive opposition, lest souls be ruffled or be taught hard truths.

God bless the fighting Irish, and the powerful music of U2.

And God help Orange County, where the weakness taught have no tolerance for the non-wispy of voice… or non-wispy of mind… or non-wispy of consitution… or people indwelt, in fact, by a rather strong God, the God of all creation, that same God who refuses to be cast as weak.

]]> By: Karl http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8628 Karl Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8628 <p>When U2 were starting out there was another band on Island records books -The 77s. Received wisdom has it that had U2 not suddenly acquired such a following in the early 80s then The 77s would have made it big in secular music. The 77s are American (not sure if they're Californian or not) and while they have a following in Christian music have suffered from being "too radio for the church and too Christian for the radio". Maybe they're not too different from U2 after all.</p> When U2 were starting out there was another band on Island records books -The 77s. Received wisdom has it that had U2 not suddenly acquired such a following in the early 80s then The 77s would have made it big in secular music. The 77s are American (not sure if they’re Californian or not) and while they have a following in Christian music have suffered from being “too radio for the church and too Christian for the radio”. Maybe they’re not too different from U2 after all.

]]> By: Keith G http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8629 Keith G Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8629 <p>Exactly. I hate using the word secular. An artist should be artist, regardless. We need more believers in the mainstream for one simple reason. To be a light in darkness. Years ago when a certain denomination boycotted Disney theme parks over their stance on homosexuals, my first thought was "if you take light out of darkness, there is simply no light." </p><p>However, most "christian" artist just can't cut it. Sing hallelujah, and you win a Dove. No talent, no creativity. </p> Exactly. I hate using the word secular. An artist should be artist, regardless. We need more believers in the mainstream for one simple reason. To be a light in darkness. Years ago when a certain denomination boycotted Disney theme parks over their stance on homosexuals, my first thought was “if you take light out of darkness, there is simply no light.” 

However, most “christian” artist just can’t cut it. Sing hallelujah, and you win a Dove. No talent, no creativity. 

]]> By: Nate http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8630 Nate Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8630 <p>Blake gets my vote for comment of the day.</p> Blake gets my vote for comment of the day.

]]> By: Mark E http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8631 Mark E Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8631 <p>Great thoughts Phil....</p> Great thoughts Phil….

]]> By: Blake http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8632 Blake Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8632 <p>In the name of love Paul, you should take it easy on naardski. For one, he might just be stuck in a moment. You shouldn't chide his mysterious ways. I recommend that you just get on your boots and enjoy a beautiful day in God's country, or, in a little while, go dancing barefoot with the sweetest thing you know with Spanish eyes.</p><p>Who's this U2 group anyways?</p> In the name of love Paul, you should take it easy on naardski. For one, he might just be stuck in a moment. You shouldn’t chide his mysterious ways. I recommend that you just get on your boots and enjoy a beautiful day in God’s country, or, in a little while, go dancing barefoot with the sweetest thing you know with Spanish eyes.

Who’s this U2 group anyways?

]]> By: Ronny Cates http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8633 Ronny Cates Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8633 <p>As the former bass player and one of the songwriter's for the Christian band Petra.....I boldly say Preach It Brother!  </p><p> </p><p>Ronny Cates</p> As the former bass player and one of the songwriter’s for the Christian band Petra…..I boldly say Preach It Brother!  

 

Ronny Cates

]]> By: Mike Loomis http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8634 Mike Loomis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8634 <p>Amen! Saw U2 in November 2001. (Right after Setp. 11th). 20,000 people singing at the top of their lungs "Knockin' on heaven's door". The best church service I've ever been to!</p> <p>Also would like to give a shout out to "Delirious?", who also acheived "mainstream chart" success early in their career, and have stayed true to themselves artistically and spiritually.</p><p> </p><p> </p> Amen! Saw U2 in November 2001. (Right after Setp. 11th). 20,000 people singing at the top of their lungs “Knockin’ on heaven’s door”. The best church service I’ve ever been to!

Also would like to give a shout out to “Delirious?”, who also acheived “mainstream chart” success early in their career, and have stayed true to themselves artistically and spiritually.

 

 

]]> By: naardski http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8635 naardski Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8635 <p>Let us all bow down before the member of the trinity, U2.  Hopeless irrelevant pastors like to include them & Coldplay among their favorite artists to appear relevant.  In the meantime, Christian worship music really does advance and does not suck anymore.  Check it out.</p> Let us all bow down before the member of the trinity, U2.  Hopeless irrelevant pastors like to include them & Coldplay among their favorite artists to appear relevant.  In the meantime, Christian worship music really does advance and does not suck anymore.  Check it out.

]]> By: Paul Rose Jr http://philcooke.com/U2/#comment-8636 Paul Rose Jr Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://philcooke.vintom.com/U2#comment-8636 <p>naardski, your comments say more about yourself than the other folks here.  They also prove you didn't bother to do ANY research into what Phil Cooke or Steve Turner write, say, teach, or preach.</p><p>You might very well have relevant (no pun intended) comments to this discussion - were you to couch them in discussion comments and not half-..... comments that serve no probitive purpose.</p><p>Try acting like an adult and contributing, rather than just blowing smoke.</p> naardski, your comments say more about yourself than the other folks here.  They also prove you didn’t bother to do ANY research into what Phil Cooke or Steve Turner write, say, teach, or preach.

You might very well have relevant (no pun intended) comments to this discussion – were you to couch them in discussion comments and not half-….. comments that serve no probitive purpose.

Try acting like an adult and contributing, rather than just blowing smoke.

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