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		<title>By: Karen Covell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Covell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&#160; I&#039;m going to get in trouble by agreeing with you, but I think that both types of films are Agenda films and that&#039;s tnot the best use of the medium.&#160; Also, the only difference is that they attract a different audience..... sometimes!&#160; However, if we&#039;re listening to the statistics of what pastors are doing on-line, then maybe it is the same audience......&#160; Oh, I can&#039;t wait to read other comments!&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,&nbsp; I&#8217;m going to get in trouble by agreeing with you, but I think that both types of films are Agenda films and that&#8217;s tnot the best use of the medium.&nbsp; Also, the only difference is that they attract a different audience&#8230;.. sometimes!&nbsp; However, if we&#8217;re listening to the statistics of what pastors are doing on-line, then maybe it is the same audience&#8230;&#8230;&nbsp; Oh, I can&#8217;t wait to read other comments!&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Godawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Godawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;&quot;&gt;I have some sympathy with the criticism of &quot;Christian movies&quot; because it makes the point that meaning without quality in art has moral ramifications. If we create art that does not value excellence of craftsmanship, we dishonor God (Exodus 36).&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px;&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;&quot;&gt;However, I fear the &quot;porn again&quot; analogy may be excessive rhetoric that may overstate the case and become more of an insult than an edifying exhortation. Perhaps a better description of &quot;Christian movies&quot; would be not as &quot;pornography&quot; but as &quot;propaganda.&quot; There is some place for propaganda in culture, but its weaknesses are weighty: It sacrifices the complexity of life to an oversimplification which may result in a distortion of the truth, It stresses a singular viewpoint that often lacks the diversity of wisdom, and it tends to manipulate action without contemplation through formula.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px;&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style=&quot;margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;&quot;&gt;Of course, there is well-crafted, excellent quality propaganda, like the Obama &quot;hope&quot; and &quot;change&quot; iconography. And those offended by the porn analogy may argue back that excellence of craft without moral meaning can be just as &quot;pornographic&quot; as moral meaning without excellence. After all, consider the highest quality craftsmanship illustrated in the soft core porn of some advertising and hollywood movies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;">I have some sympathy with the criticism of &#8220;Christian movies&#8221; because it makes the point that meaning without quality in art has moral ramifications. If we create art that does not value excellence of craftsmanship, we dishonor God (Exodus 36).</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;">However, I fear the &#8220;porn again&#8221; analogy may be excessive rhetoric that may overstate the case and become more of an insult than an edifying exhortation. Perhaps a better description of &#8220;Christian movies&#8221; would be not as &#8220;pornography&#8221; but as &#8220;propaganda.&#8221; There is some place for propaganda in culture, but its weaknesses are weighty: It sacrifices the complexity of life to an oversimplification which may result in a distortion of the truth, It stresses a singular viewpoint that often lacks the diversity of wisdom, and it tends to manipulate action without contemplation through formula.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica;">Of course, there is well-crafted, excellent quality propaganda, like the Obama &#8220;hope&#8221; and &#8220;change&#8221; iconography. And those offended by the porn analogy may argue back that excellence of craft without moral meaning can be just as &#8220;pornographic&#8221; as moral meaning without excellence. After all, consider the highest quality craftsmanship illustrated in the soft core porn of some advertising and hollywood movies.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfLisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfLisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll even add to that comparison.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;5. Bad dialogue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;6. Are only viewed by people who already agree with the message.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;7. Most artisans in the craft don&#039;t crossover into mainstream.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey - if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll even add to that comparison.</p>
<p>5. Bad dialogue.</p>
<p>6. Are only viewed by people who already agree with the message.</p>
<p>7. Most artisans in the craft don&#8217;t crossover into mainstream.</p>
<p>Hey &#8211; if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;8.&#160; Poorly written.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;9. Poorly produced.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;10. Artistically irrrelevant.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There!! Now we have a top ten list Phil - &quot;Top 10 reasons why Christian films are like pornography.&quot;&#160; I double dog dare you to bring that up adult Sunday School Class at church.&#160; CHICKEN IF YOU DON&#039;T!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Great use of a left field metaphor to make a great on the money point.&#160; Let me get autobiographical for a moment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was born into a family of communicators - writers, Advertising AE&#039;s, producers, PR people, Media Managers.&#160; In Detroit and New York City, I hung out in movie theaters, TV studios, broadway shows and radio stations.&#160; Can you imagine what an extreme culture shock it was to come into the faith community where &quot;we just don&#039;t go to movies, brother Rick,&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;One day someone showed me a copy of a &quot;powerful film&quot; called &quot;A Thief in the Night,&quot; that they just &quot;knew would lead people to Jesus.&quot;&#160; Getting through it was hard enough - dealing with the sincerely naive person who showed it to me was even more challenging!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m hoping and praying that someday we are delivered from the cultural monasticism that produces cultural pornography!&#160; God help us!&#160; We need your help too Phil!!&#160; Great post!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8.&nbsp; Poorly written.</p>
<p>9. Poorly produced.</p>
<p>10. Artistically irrrelevant.</p>
<p>There!! Now we have a top ten list Phil &#8211; &#8220;Top 10 reasons why Christian films are like pornography.&#8221;&nbsp; I double dog dare you to bring that up adult Sunday School Class at church.&nbsp; CHICKEN IF YOU DON&#8217;T!!</p>
<p>Great use of a left field metaphor to make a great on the money point.&nbsp; Let me get autobiographical for a moment.</p>
<p>I was born into a family of communicators &#8211; writers, Advertising AE&#8217;s, producers, PR people, Media Managers.&nbsp; In Detroit and New York City, I hung out in movie theaters, TV studios, broadway shows and radio stations.&nbsp; Can you imagine what an extreme culture shock it was to come into the faith community where &#8220;we just don&#8217;t go to movies, brother Rick,&#8221;?</p>
<p>One day someone showed me a copy of a &#8220;powerful film&#8221; called &#8220;A Thief in the Night,&#8221; that they just &#8220;knew would lead people to Jesus.&#8221;&nbsp; Getting through it was hard enough &#8211; dealing with the sincerely naive person who showed it to me was even more challenging!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping and praying that someday we are delivered from the cultural monasticism that produces cultural pornography!&nbsp; God help us!&nbsp; We need your help too Phil!!&nbsp; Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Brink</title>
		<link>http://philcooke.com/Christian_movies_porn_movies/#comment-8392</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Brink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;True.&#160; True.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.&nbsp; True.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ondo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ondo</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree...and to carry the similarities further&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;both are only distributed inside their own &quot;culture&quot; ie Christian Book Stores or Porn Stores, not general market.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;and most people are embarrassed to discuss that they watch it regularly because of the stereotype it leave you with.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree&#8230;and to carry the similarities further</p>
<p>both are only distributed inside their own &#8220;culture&#8221; ie Christian Book Stores or Porn Stores, not general market.</p>
<p>and most people are embarrassed to discuss that they watch it regularly because of the stereotype it leave you with.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony La Fleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony La Fleur</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with you Phil about the lack of story and character development in Christian films. &#160;I came to a realization not too long ago that the reason this problem exists is that we as Christian film makers try to make the films stand alone. &#160;What I mean by that is if someone watches the film we think that the viewer has to walk away with a deeper understanding of the gospel. &#160;This is actually a very difficult thing to do with a visual medium. &#160;Film is not meant for preaching in my opinion because the use of dialogue at times weakens the power of the images. &#160;My conclusion is that we should be trying to arose an emotion rather than trying to educate our viewers. &#160;We should think of film as a tool to point people in a direction. &#160;For example The Day After Tomorrow feeds on the emotion of fear of global warming but really doesn&#039;t educate people on the science or specifics. &#160;The film children of men has a great pro-life message that makes you respect and understand the importance of life. &#160;If you showed films that were made in this manner to an audience they would be entertained, but they would also have emotions that could later be built upon with studying the word, prayer and fellowship. &#160;Just as in mission work you have to win the heart before you can win the mind. &#160;But unfortunately there are some the believe that a turn in this direction is considered blasphemy. &#160;I just hope that one day the majority of Christian film makers can see outside of this box that we have put ourselves in. &#160; &#160;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Phil about the lack of story and character development in Christian films. &nbsp;I came to a realization not too long ago that the reason this problem exists is that we as Christian film makers try to make the films stand alone. &nbsp;What I mean by that is if someone watches the film we think that the viewer has to walk away with a deeper understanding of the gospel. &nbsp;This is actually a very difficult thing to do with a visual medium. &nbsp;Film is not meant for preaching in my opinion because the use of dialogue at times weakens the power of the images. &nbsp;My conclusion is that we should be trying to arose an emotion rather than trying to educate our viewers. &nbsp;We should think of film as a tool to point people in a direction. &nbsp;For example The Day After Tomorrow feeds on the emotion of fear of global warming but really doesn&#8217;t educate people on the science or specifics. &nbsp;The film children of men has a great pro-life message that makes you respect and understand the importance of life. &nbsp;If you showed films that were made in this manner to an audience they would be entertained, but they would also have emotions that could later be built upon with studying the word, prayer and fellowship. &nbsp;Just as in mission work you have to win the heart before you can win the mind. &nbsp;But unfortunately there are some the believe that a turn in this direction is considered blasphemy. &nbsp;I just hope that one day the majority of Christian film makers can see outside of this box that we have put ourselves in. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The insult is irrelevant. &#160;People don&#039;t like to hear the truth, but sometimes you gotta call it like it is. &#160;I&#039;m to the point that I despise church production all together (and I&#039;m a tech guy, so that&#039;s a big deal) because I think it&#039;s pointless. &#160;Several other commenters have already pointed out that the audience is a small niche of people who already agree with the message. &#160;What if the church actually presented media that was engaging? &#160;What if we could show the production (commercial, tv show, movie, whatever) during primetime on NBC or FOX and it actually challenged people rather than made them roll their eyes, ignore it, &#160;and make fun of it&#039;s low quality?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is what it is, Phil. &#160;Way to call it out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insult is irrelevant. &nbsp;People don&#8217;t like to hear the truth, but sometimes you gotta call it like it is. &nbsp;I&#8217;m to the point that I despise church production all together (and I&#8217;m a tech guy, so that&#8217;s a big deal) because I think it&#8217;s pointless. &nbsp;Several other commenters have already pointed out that the audience is a small niche of people who already agree with the message. &nbsp;What if the church actually presented media that was engaging? &nbsp;What if we could show the production (commercial, tv show, movie, whatever) during primetime on NBC or FOX and it actually challenged people rather than made them roll their eyes, ignore it, &nbsp;and make fun of it&#8217;s low quality?</p>
<p>It is what it is, Phil. &nbsp;Way to call it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Orser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Orser</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When you watch a &quot;Christian&quot; movie, you can tell it&#039;s a &quot;Christian&quot; movie within the first five minutes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The &quot;Passion&quot; was rated R and I dare say, none was more effective in it&#039;s message.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you watch a &#8220;Christian&#8221; movie, you can tell it&#8217;s a &#8220;Christian&#8221; movie within the first five minutes.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Passion&#8221; was rated R and I dare say, none was more effective in it&#8217;s message.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric T</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, I actually heard you talk about this very thing way back in 2000. &#160;I just recently saw a blockbuster Christian film that made a ton of money this last year. &#160;It was low budget and starred someone who regularly appears on TBN. &#160;Enough said. &#160;I saw through the whole thing. &#160;And it finally occurred to me that what I was seeing was a teaching tool and not a real story or film. &#160;And I think that is part of the disconnect with Christian film in general: they are not films that tell a powerful story that naturally illustrates God&#039;s truth, they are tools meant to evangelize. &#160;And there&#039;s nothing wrong with that. &#160;But we should be clear that there is a difference and the two are not the same thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I actually heard you talk about this very thing way back in 2000. &nbsp;I just recently saw a blockbuster Christian film that made a ton of money this last year. &nbsp;It was low budget and starred someone who regularly appears on TBN. &nbsp;Enough said. &nbsp;I saw through the whole thing. &nbsp;And it finally occurred to me that what I was seeing was a teaching tool and not a real story or film. &nbsp;And I think that is part of the disconnect with Christian film in general: they are not films that tell a powerful story that naturally illustrates God&#8217;s truth, they are tools meant to evangelize. &nbsp;And there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that. &nbsp;But we should be clear that there is a difference and the two are not the same thing.</p>
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